Did Moses believe the ten commandment was....

[Cribstyl]

......given to another people or nation other than the children of Israel?

It does not seem possible, since he wrote Genesis and also said to the Children of Israel......"What nation has ever had God so close to them?
What nation has ever had his, statutes, judgments and law....that I have in front of you today.......

Deu 4:7 For what nation [is there so] great, who [hath] God [so] nigh unto them, as the LORD our God [is] in all [things that] we call upon him [for]?
Deu 4:8 And what nation [is there so] great, that hath statutes and judgments [so] righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?



Deu 4:12 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only [ye heard] a voice.
Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

(There should be no doubt that what God declare His law to the COI and His covenant is the ten commandments.)

Deu 4:32¶For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and [ask] from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been [any such thing] as this great thing [is], or hath been heard like it?
Deu 4:33 Did [ever] people hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as thou hast heard, and live?

Moses said....Ask about from the history of Adam has there been anything like this before? God speaking to people who collectively heard His voice and live.


We're suppose to apply God's word to understanding......Some people will "reason you" away from the truth.

 

[Joe67]

CRIB,

The law was for the nations, like the leaves of the tree. Adam and Eve made garments with these leaves to cover their nakedness.

Deut 32:8
8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. KJV
Rev 22:2

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. KJV

The Lord promised Abram that in his seed all nations would be blessed.

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

CRIB,

The law was for the nations, like the leaves of the tree. Adam and Eve made garments with these leaves to cover their nakedness.

Deut 32:8
8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. KJV
Rev 22:2

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. KJV

The Lord promised Abram that in his seed all nations would be blessed.

Joe

I'm having a hard time seeing how your proof text supports your premise.

BFA

 

[Cribstyl]

CRIB,

The law was for the nations, like the leaves of the tree. Adam and Eve made garments with these leaves to cover their nakedness.

Deut 32:8
8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. KJV
Rev 22:2

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. KJV

The Lord promised Abram that in his seed all nations would be blessed.

Joe

If you considered what Moses said in the texts I posted, you'd see that God chose only one nation.
If not, answer Moses' question, and tell us what other nation had God's law? As usual, I dont expect adirect or reasonable response.

You also misused Deut 32:8 as if God was not talking about His chosen 12 tribes of Israel.
Deu 32:9 For the LORD'S portion [is] his people; Jacob [is] the lot of his inheritance.
Deu 32:10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.

 

[VictorC]

The law was for the nations

You chose to contradict Scripture that was provided in the OP, and nothing you offered supports your contention. Promoting a fable contrary to Scripture does nothing but damage your credibility among your peers.

 

[Joe67]

Rom 3:27-31
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. KJV

Rom 7:14
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. KJV

Ex 32:15-16
15 And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written.

16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. KJV

Rev 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
KJV

Joe

 

[Cribstyl]

Rom 3:27-31
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. KJV

Rom 7:14
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. KJV

Ex 32:15-16
15 And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written.

16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. KJV

Rev 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
KJV

Joe

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Anywayz, here are my comments on the text that you have posted. Roman 3:18-31 is a complete lesson because the boasting implied is because, the way to be made right with God is without the law. The conclussion of the matter is pointed out in verse 28. It explains that within the doctrine of faith, sin does not go unchecked, thus the law is upheld. verse 31 is otfen used to contradict or ignor what's really being taught.
Rom 3:21¶But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;


It appears to me that the other texts that you've post are to teach that we are under the law............

 

[Joe67]

CRIB,

The body is under the law. The spirit is under grace.

Joe

 

[Cribstyl]

CRIB,

The body is under the law. The spirit is under grace.

Joe

Rom 6:12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.

Rom 6:14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Verses 11,12,13 explains what is meant by "YOU". "Ye" and "We" is not your spirit,
but rather, it relates to your mortal bodies.

Joe, it's appears as intentional when your comments always seem like a quote from texts but proves to be false information.

 

[Joe67]

CRIB,

Rom 6:11
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.KJV

Rom 8:10
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. KJV

Rom 8:13
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live KJV

Joe

 

[Restin]

Did Moses believe the ten commandment was....

......given to another people or nation other than the children of Israel?

It does not seem possible, since he wrote Genesis and also said to the Children of Israel......"What nation has ever had God so close to them?
What nation has ever had his, statutes, judgments and law....that I have in front of you today.......

What Moses 'believed' about the ten commandments, as given at Mt. Sinai on two tables of stone... was not given to 'other nations or peoples' through form and ceremony or through the Levitical priesthood.

On the other hand, the law of 'sin and death', as given to Adam and Eve was and IS passed on to ALL peoples and nations! Jews and Gentiles alike live under this law even TODAY! In their bodies, A&E brought with them beyond Eden, the 'tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil'.

In our fleshly existence, we continue to eat of the 'tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil'. Jesus Christ came to restore the 'tree of life', that we might eat his flesh and drink his blood to the saving of the soul and spirit.

I believe the law of Circumcision given to Abraham and the 10 Commandment Laws given to Moses...were 'ADDED' to the 'law of sin and death' given to Adam and Eve in Eden.

 

[Cribstyl]

What Moses 'believed' about the ten commandments, as given at Mt. Sinai on two tables of stone... was not given to 'other nations or peoples' through form and ceremony or through the Levitical priesthood.

On the other hand, the law of 'sin and death', as given to Adam and Eve was and IS passed on to ALL peoples and nations! Jews and Gentiles alike live under this law even TODAY! In their bodies, A&E brought with them beyond Eden, the 'tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil'.

In our fleshly existence, we continue to eat of the 'tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil'. Jesus Christ came to restore the 'tree of life', that we might eat his flesh and drink his blood to the saving of the soul and spirit.

I believe the law of Circumcision given to Abraham and the 10 Commandment Laws given to Moses...were 'ADDED' to the 'law of sin and death' given to Adam and Eve in Eden.

I appreciate your reply, but I disagree with all of your suppositions.
Here's why.
#1....
What is coined, "the law of sin and death", is made clear in Romans chapter 8. You have to read the whole chapter like the word of God is the final answer.,, ( few key texts posted below.)
Rom 8:2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Rom 8:9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Commentary more often than not, does not establish the fact that God looks at the born again believer, as one who is alive from the dead and does not serve the law of sin and death.Rom 8:15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Rather than these "explained doctrines," SDA teach and believe that the 10commandments were eternal in heaven and given to Adam. I cannot claim to be sola scriptura and accept contradictions to the scripture as my doctrines.

#2.....
Gen 3:3But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
The fact that Adam's sons Cain and Abel never lived in Eden, you need to explain how they and we have accessed in our fleshly existance to the tree in the midst of the garden.

#3........Gal 3:19Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

What Paul explained in Galatians 3 is this; "The law was ADDED to the promise to Abraham, because of the Children of Israel, whom were mediated by the hand of Moses were in rebellion (trangressing the commands given to them) against God in the wilderness. My explanation of their transgression can be proven in text from the time God himself was with them in a cloud by day and fire by night.
When people dont like to read they follow blindly as sheep.

 

[Restin]

Crib...

#1 Ro 8:2 & 9 .... what is set 'FREE' from the law of sin and death is the 'spirit of God that dwells in you', not the 'FLESH'. The flesh remains captive to the law of sin and death, but does not reign in the true believer. Though 'the law of sin and death' was 'coined' in Ro 8, it existed, in principal from Adam to Moses ...see Ro 5.

Rom 5:13-14
13(For until the law [law given at Mt. Sinai] sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude [form] of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. KJV

#2 When Adam and Eve partook of the fruit of the forbidden tree, the spirit of the serpent in the forbidden tree now possessed their flesh and was passed on [in the flesh] to the offspring of Adam and Eve. No one would have died from Adam to Moses, were it not for the law of sin and death.

#3 The law as given to Moses, was 'ADDED' because...

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound.
But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid.
But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good;
that sin BY the commandment might become exceeding sinful. KJV

Yes, the commandment is 'holy, just, and good'. Connect with Jesus words to
His disciples just before His betrayal... the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak...

Crib...deep things need to be thought upon, even if we don't see alike!

 

[Joe67]

Rom 4:15
for where no law is, there is no transgression. KJV

1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. KJV

1 John 3:9
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. KJV

1 John 2:1-2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. KJV

Rom 3:9
for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;KJV

Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. KJV

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

 

[Joe67]

There must needs be oil in the vessel, to endure unto the end. He that endures unto the end shall be saved.

That which is an enemy to the gospel for the sake of the Gentiles, is beloved through the election for the father's sake.

Isa 63:9-11
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him? KJV

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

There must needs be oil in the vessel, to endure unto the end.

What is the oil?

He that endures unto the end shall be saved.

Who guarantees that which is to come?

BFA

 

[VictorC]

There must needs be oil in the vessel, to endure unto the end.

What is the oil?

And Who gives the Oil, Joe?

 

[Joe67]

The enemy is beloved.

Joe

 

[Cribstyl]

The enemy is beloved.

Joe

Joe you have a lot to say, How about some direct answers?