Did Moses believe the ten commandment was....

[VictorC]

The enemy is beloved.

Joe

Could you offer something germane to the conversation?
BFA and I have presented questions for you, and they really aren't from the cornfield.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

CRIB: Joe you have a lot to say, How about some direct answers?

Could you offer something germane to the conversation?
BFA and I have presented questions for you, and they really aren't from the cornfield.

Joe -

From our conversations, it appears to me that you value the law. I don't know you well enough to know why this subject is so close to your heart. I sense that you feel called to advocate for the law. If so, then you need to stay true to that which you are being led to do.

You like to focus your comments on certain passages that line up with your ideology. You seem to skim past the ones that don't fit well for you. Admittedly, I suspect that we all do that to one degree or another. However, with this dynamic in play, dialogue is difficult -- sometimes impossible.

As the years go by, I am now beginning to realize that this subject has a way of taking care of itself. This subject takes on a whole new meaning when a man comes to the end of himself.

There are many forums in which this same debate rages on, day after day. And, in certain places, people become a bit nasty toward one another over this issue. I don't want that to happen between us. You are a child of God, beloved of Him. I have every reason to believe that you are a joint heir in the Kingdom of God. I want to treat you that way.

The law is important to you. I get that. I won't try to take that away from you. Perhaps you need it during this time of your life for reasons that I could never understand. I don't know your heart and I only hope that you are also experiencing first-hand the ratio between your abilities and the Spirit's abilities.

I mean you no ill will and I look forward to a day when this debate will have forever come to an end.

In the love of Jesus Christ,
BFA

 

[Joe67]

BFA,

The active work of the law of righteousness is necessary to die daily, continually through the law of sin that is in our flesh. When the law of righteousness enters us, then the law of sin rises up and deceives us and slays us. The believers fall back to perdition without a clear vision of the death that is in their body. Without a clear vision of the law of sin and death that is in their flesh, through the presence of the law of righteousness, they will begin to come under the desire to eat and drink and be happy today, for they feel death will be later at a more convenient time.

1 Cor 11:26-32
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. KJV

Rom 8:9-12
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. KJV

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The active work of the law of righteousness is necessary to die daily, continually through the law of sin that is in our flesh.

According to Romans 9, did Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, arrive at that law?

When contemplating "the law of righteousness," whose righteousness is key?

Was Jesus Christ made to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God or the righteousness of man?

Are to seek first His righteousness, or are we to seek first our own righteousness?

Who convicts us of sin and righteousness and judgment?

If a person is credited with righteousness, does he live by faith or law?

Does a person develop righteousness, or is it a gift?

Does the "law of righteousness" lead to human righteousness prior to Christ's second coming?

If righteousness comes through the law, did Christ die needlessly?

When the law of righteousness enters us, then the law of sin rises up and deceives us and slays us. The believers fall back to perdition without a clear vision of the death that is in their body.

I do not approach my God with fear. I believe and I have passed from death to life. The law of sin and death has nothing to say to me.

Without a clear vision of the law of sin and death that is in their flesh, through the presence of the law of righteousness, they will begin to come under the desire to eat and drink and be happy today, for they feel death will be later at a more convenient time.

The blessings of God are not reserved for Heaven. They are very real today. We have every reason to eat and drink and be happy today. I hope that my joy is palpible to people I meet. I have every reason to celebrate and no reason to fear.

Why is this true? Because I am not under the ministry that brings death. Rather, I am guided by the ministry that brings life.

"Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil." Romans 14
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BFA

 

[Joe67]

Deut 29:12-21
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy God, and into his oath, which the LORD thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
16(For ye know how we have dwelt in the land of Egypt; and how we came through the nations which ye passed by;
17 And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them;
18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.
21 And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law: KJV

The stumbling of the Jews in this covenant promise has been revealed in their personal relationship to Jesus, our Lord, in the flesh, but since it is the covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob it also comes down to us. The Gentile wisdom of faith has been deceived through its conceits and it has not entered in and is in the process of drawing back unto perdition through adding drunkenness to thirst in its relationship to the members of Jesus' body.

Joe

 

[VictorC]

Deut 29:12-21
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy God, and into his oath, which the LORD thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
16(For ye know how we have dwelt in the land of Egypt; and how we came through the nations which ye passed by;
17 And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them;
18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.
21 And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law: KJV

The stumbling of the Jews in this covenant promise has been revealed in their personal relationship to Jesus, our Lord, in the flesh, but since it is the covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob it also comes down to us.

The passage you quoted above does not describe a covenant that Abraham, Isaac, nor Jacob ever knew. It also doesn't describe a covenant that has ever been passed down to us.

The Gentile wisdom of faith has been deceived through its conceits and it has not entered in and is in the process of drawing back unto perdition through adding drunkenness to thirst in its relationship to the members of Jesus' body.

How much sympathy do you hope to invoke by calling the members of this forum conceited drunks who have never entered into God's eternal rest and salvation? Do you have anything supporting your claim to pass judgment on Christians washed in the Blood of the Lamb?

 

[Cribstyl]

It's quite clear to me that Joe agenda is to confuse all threads, rather than allow coherant discussion about specific SDA doctrines. Actually, it should be clear by now that he is not rational or cooperative.

Ask him 1 simple question about anything and you'll see the maze he will take you through.

We are looking for answers but he's creating more question than anything.

 

[Joe67]

Let us meditate upon these witnesses of the spirit of Jesus as we meditate upon the testimonies concerning the curses that are in Galatians.

Gen 3:17
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; KJV

Job 3:1-3
1 After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day.

2 And Job spake, and said,
3 Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived. KJV

Jer 20:14-15
14 Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed.

15 Cursed be the man who brought tidings to my father, saying, A man child is born unto thee; making him very glad. KJV

Joe

 

[VictorC]

Let us meditate upon these witnesses of the spirit of Jesus as we meditate upon the testimonies concerning the curses that are in Galatians.

Gen 3:17
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; KJV

Job 3:1-3
1 After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day.

2 And Job spake, and said,
3 Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived. KJV

Jer 20:14-15
14 Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed.

15 Cursed be the man who brought tidings to my father, saying, A man child is born unto thee; making him very glad. KJV

Joe

It's quite clear to me that Joe agenda is to confuse all threads, rather than allow coherant discussion about specific SDA doctrines. Actually, it should be clear by now that he is not rational or cooperative.

Ask him 1 simple question about anything and you'll see the maze he will take you through.

You are correct. Joe does not seem to desire rational conversation.

 

[bugkiller]

There must needs be oil in the vessel, to endure unto the end. He that endures unto the end shall be saved.

That which is an enemy to the gospel for the sake of the Gentiles, is beloved through the election for the father's sake.

Isa 63:9-11
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him? KJV

Joe

I thought BFA said horse not whale.

bugkiller