Did Jesus claim Divinity?

[Gary51]

I cannot blind someone who is already blinded. I have already given the evidence, they are on the first three pages of this thread. All of it has been dismissed, ignored, or distorted. And then they have the gall to say that I need to answer their questions. That deserves the label of heretic and hypocrite. And either they will answer the questions and address the issues, or they will look like like they are stuffing fingers in their ears while claiming to listen.

But, it is you that are blind. Everything you have just stated is what you have done. In my opinion.

I accept you opinion... but that is all it is.

I don't claim anything. Maybe I should write, "In my opinion" or "It is my current belief" after every surpposed claim.

I don't claim to be a Christian, my mind is still open. I am still searching. If it be God's will that I settle upon your belief, so be it, but right now that has not happened.

 

[scriptures]

I said that he is both fully God and fully man. I am very sure, because that is the context of John 17- he is praying first for himself, then for his disciples, then those his disciples will reach. And he is not praying to 'his' God, he is praying to THE God, YHWH.

Instead of saying...." oh it's in the context" better quote it.....

His praying to the God, YHWH, yeah that's right.....afterall YHWH is the God of the Bible.... HE recognized that.....

Fully God and Fully Man is definitely not in the Bible.....

As a christian, I will never believe any unbiblical statement......

 

[scriptures]

But, it is you that are blind. Everything you have just stated is what you have done. In my opinion.

I accept you opinion... but that is all it is.

I don't claim anything. Maybe I should write, "In my opinion" or "It is my current belief" after every surpposed claim.

I don't claim to be a Christian, my mind is still open. I am still searching. If it be God's will that I settle upon your belief, so be it, but right now that has not happened.

You can be a christian by accepting Jesus as Christ, sent by God as saviour...don't listen to so called "christians"... trust in the Bible....
You can do it!!!!

just a friendly/brotherly advice....

 

[Uphill Battle]

Scriptures... Gary.... care to answer my question?

what do you consider the scriptures outside of the gospels? The epistles in the NT.... are they accurate?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Scriptures... Gary.... care to answer my question?

what do you consider the scriptures outside of the gospels? The epistles in the NT.... are they accurate?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Instead of saying...." oh it's in the context" better quote it.....

His praying to the God, YHWH, yeah that's right.....afterall YHWH is the God of the Bible.... HE recognized that.....

Fully God and Fully Man is definitely not in the Bible.....

As a christian, I will never believe any unbiblical statement......

Even if the proof is right in front of you?

 

[Zebra1552]

Instead of saying...." oh it's in the context" better quote it.....

His praying to the God, YHWH, yeah that's right.....afterall YHWH is the God of the Bible.... HE recognized that.....

The Bible did not even exist when Jesus used those words in John 17.

Fully God and Fully Man is definitely not in the Bible.....

Then please address the verses quoted throughout this thread. Address the questions mentioned in my previous post asking you to answer them.

As a christian, I will never believe any unbiblical statement......

You typed the above sentence. That wasn't in the Bible. So it can't be true, can it?

 

[Zebra1552]

But, it is you that are blind. Everything you have just stated is what you have done. In my opinion.

And your opinion is wrong, that is blatantly obvious to anyone who cares to go back and read the numerous pages that demonstrate you doing just what I have described.

I accept you opinion... but that is all it is.

Wait, you accept my opinion that you're blinded and that you're a hypocritical heretic? Then why would you disagree in the same breath and say I am talking about myself?

I don't claim anything. Maybe I should write, "In my opinion" or "It is my current belief" after every surpposed claim.

Whenever you make an absolute statement you make a claim.

I don't claim to be a Christian, my mind is still open. I am still searching. If it be God's will that I settle upon your belief, so be it, but right now that has not happened.

Given the illogic you use in this thread, I doubt it ever will. Go ahead and prove me wrong, but don't you dare go and accuse me of evading questions when you have done it ever since this thread started.

 

[Yekcidmij]

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[scriptures]

Scriptures... Gary.... care to answer my question?

what do you consider the scriptures outside of the gospels? The epistles in the NT.... are they accurate?

I am a christian, I believe that Jesus is the anointed one of God.....God cannot be Christ.... How about you?

 

[scriptures]

Even if the proof is right in front of you?

I have been reading scriptures since childhood.... the only proof is that Jesus is the son of God...the anointed one..... I became christian for believing him as Christ....

 

[scriptures]

The Bible did not even exist when Jesus used those words in John 17.

Then please address the verses quoted throughout this thread. Address the questions mentioned in my previous post asking you to answer them.


You typed the above sentence. That wasn't in the Bible. So it can't be true, can it?

Your just diverting issues... you should have asked me before not now.... you can ask me again if you want.... that is if you are confuse with your current belief...

I was requesting for quotation? and you did not give me any????

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I have been reading scriptures since childhood.... the only proof is that Jesus is the son of God...the anointed one..... I became christian for believing him as Christ....

You didn't answer my question. If someone proved to you that an unBiblical statement was true, would you still reject it?

 

[Uphill Battle]

I am a christian, I believe that Jesus is the anointed one of God.....God cannot be Christ.... How about you?

you didn't answer the question. I don't care if you're 99 years old and you learned to read scriptures at 2. you didn't answer if you believe ALL of them to be credible and trustworthy.

Since you WON'T answer, I'll just detail the problem with your position either way.

IF choice A, you do consider all of scripture as sound, you have to ask yourself, why is it I don't believe Christ is God, when it's clear from the Epistles that those who first followed him, believe it?

Titus 2:13-14 13while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

2 Peter 1:1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:


It is abundantly clear that the 1st century Christians beleived that Jesus Christ was God.

so then in choice A, you deny scripture, despite claiming that you believe only what the bible says.

If, choice B, you do NOT believe that the epistles are valid, you must question why it is you accept Jesus as Christ using the scriptures as detailed in the Gospel, but not the rest. Why some is trustworthy, and some is not.

last choice, you may be uncertain about scripture at all, or whether or not the message is true. That in itself is a seperate issue to you though, as you claim to have read, and believed scripture.

so then... tell me why it is you deny plain scripture, if you claim to believe it?

You didn't answer my question. If someone proved to you that an unBiblical statement was true, would you still reject it?

not answering questions seems to be modus operendi.

 

[Zebra1552]

Your just diverting issues... you should have asked me before not now.... you can ask me again if you want.... that is if you are confuse with your current belief...

The only thing I am confused about is why you continue to post this stuff while completely ignoring not only the questions but the links to my questions and refusing to answer them.

I was requesting for quotation? and you did not give me any????

You said anything unbiblical, and I gave you something unbiblical. Do you reject it because it is unbiblical?
Anyhow, you gave me this:

Instead of saying...." oh it's in the context" better quote it.....

His praying to the God, YHWH, yeah that's right.....afterall YHWH is the God of the Bible.... HE recognized that.....

Fully God and Fully Man is definitely not in the Bible.....

As a christian, I will never believe any unbiblical statement......

When we have already quoted plenty of verses at you. I am not going to give you quotes and repeat what has already been said.

 

[Uphill Battle]

you didn't answer the question. I don't care if you're 99 years old and you learned to read scriptures at 2. you didn't answer if you believe ALL of them to be credible and trustworthy.

Since you WON'T answer, I'll just detail the problem with your position either way.

IF choice A, you do consider all of scripture as sound, you have to ask yourself, why is it I don't believe Christ is God, when it's clear from the Epistles that those who first followed him, believe it?

Titus 2:13-14 13while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

2 Peter 1:1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:


It is abundantly clear that the 1st century Christians beleived that Jesus Christ was God.

so then in choice A, you deny scripture, despite claiming that you believe only what the bible says.

If, choice B, you do NOT believe that the epistles are valid, you must question why it is you accept Jesus as Christ using the scriptures as detailed in the Gospel, but not the rest. Why some is trustworthy, and some is not.

last choice, you may be uncertain about scripture at all, or whether or not the message is true. That in itself is a seperate issue to you though, as you claim to have read, and believed scripture.

so then... tell me why it is you deny plain scripture, if you claim to believe it?

not answering questions seems to be modus operendi.

ah, yes. The usual.

either post again without addressing the questions AT ALL, or do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgIB9XRaj0E


guess it's option B this time round.

 

[scriptures]

You didn't answer my question. If someone proved to you that an unBiblical statement was true, would you still reject it?

I answered your question.... I said I am a christian and reading the Bible since childhood.... I accept that Jesus is the Messiah because of the Bible....

I will never reject anything from the scriptures....

 

[scriptures]

you didn't answer the question. I don't care if you're 99 years old and you learned to read scriptures at 2. you didn't answer if you believe ALL of them to be credible and trustworthy.

Since you WON'T answer, I'll just detail the problem with your position either way.

IF choice A, you do consider all of scripture as sound, you have to ask yourself, why is it I don't believe Christ is God, when it's clear from the Epistles that those who first followed him, believe it?

Titus 2:13-14 13while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

2 Peter 1:1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:


It is abundantly clear that the 1st century Christians beleived that Jesus Christ was God.

so then in choice A, you deny scripture, despite claiming that you believe only what the bible says.

If, choice B, you do NOT believe that the epistles are valid, you must question why it is you accept Jesus as Christ using the scriptures as detailed in the Gospel, but not the rest. Why some is trustworthy, and some is not.

last choice, you may be uncertain about scripture at all, or whether or not the message is true. That in itself is a seperate issue to you though, as you claim to have read, and believed scripture.

so then... tell me why it is you deny plain scripture, if you claim to believe it?

not answering questions seems to be modus operendi.

You said, "abundant proof" but you mentioned only two... which can be translated/interpreted contrary to what you believe....



(LONT) expecting the blessed hope; namely, the appearing of the glory of the great God, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ;

(Murdock) looking for the blessed hope, and the manifestation of the glory of the great God, and our Life-giver, Jesus the Messiah;

see!!! Our great God YHWH is different from our Messiah.... the anointed one of God....

 

[scriptures]

The only thing I am confused about is why you continue to post this stuff while completely ignoring not only the questions but the links to my questions and refusing to answer them.


You said anything unbiblical, and I gave you something unbiblical. Do you reject it because it is unbiblical?
Anyhow, you gave me this:

When we have already quoted plenty of verses at you. I am not going to give you quotes and repeat what has already been said.

Oh!!! Godchild..... what I am asking you are quotations....

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I answered your question.... I said I am a christian and reading the Bible since childhood.... I accept that Jesus is the Messiah because of the Bible....

I will never reject anything from the scriptures....

Fair enough. Question 2: is this not idolatry?