Did Jesus claim Divinity?

[scriptures]

Okay I am a fan of Matthew 28:18 where Jesus says "And Jesus came and said to them, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.'" (ESV).
God has all authority in the universe and here Jesus claims it has been given to him.

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All authority has been given to him??? something he does not possess before????

That's why I am asking......

If Jesus is God himself why would he receive power and glory from God???

 

[Zebra1552]

All authority has been given to him??? something he does not possess before????

That's why I am asking......

If Jesus is God himself why would he receive power and glory from God???

Probably because he's still a man as well. Or did you miss that part earlier in the thread? I know I have said it before.

 

[Zebra1552]

Exactly. is exactly right.

 

[Zebra1552]

I was just wondering why only now.... you should have called our attention before.....

We better let this topic go on.... and not to put a "stop"......

Can you now answer our question???

Um, I did. I repeatedly asked Gary to answer my questions, and he has refused. You have as well, so no, I will not answer your question. It is not a question of ability, so asking me if I can does no good.

 

[scriptures]

Probably because he's still a man as well. Or did you miss that part earlier in the thread? I know I have said it before.

I thought you said Jesus is God/Man....He is still God while on earth according to your belief..... Then why ask for power and glory????

 

[Gary51]

Um, I did. I repeatedly asked Gary to answer my questions, and he has refused. You have as well, so no, I will not answer your question. It is not a question of ability, so asking me if I can does no good.

I may have lost the plot in this thread... but I don't remember refusing to answer any question....

Please refresh my memory by asking that question again.

 

[Zebra1552]

I thought you said Jesus is God/Man....He is still God while on earth according to your belief..... Then why ask for power and glory????

Hm. Maybe because he's praying? Making a request, seeing as he's the Son?

 

[Zebra1552]

No, it is my way of making a boundary for both you and Gary here. If you cannot have the respect to answer my questions in a way that does not ridicule me or my beliefs, then I will not answer your questions.

Post 542-


Also see post 372 and 362 along the lines of actually providing arguments.

There is also post 337 where you ignored my question and asked questions of your own. Again, belittling my beliefs.


If you are so interested, then it might behoove you to answer the questions posted for you. We have asked you many questions which you have avoided answering Gary, and we see no reason why we should answer your question when you ignore our many questions. Check this post, or this post, for example. Maybe even this post.

The boundary goes for both of you. If you want us to answer your question (singular) then it is high time you answer our questions (plural).

Gary, I have posted this already. It's on page 15.

 

[scriptures]

Hm. Maybe because he's praying? Making a request, seeing as he's the Son?

maybe??? your not sure???

Praying???? To his God???? I thought you said he is the God????

 

[Zebra1552]

maybe??? your not sure???

Praying???? To his God???? I thought you said he is the God????

I said that he is both fully God and fully man. I am very sure, because that is the context of John 17- he is praying first for himself, then for his disciples, then those his disciples will reach. And he is not praying to 'his' God, he is praying to THE God, YHWH.

 

[Gary51]

Gary, I have posted this already. It's on page 15.

I'm considering that Jesus may have claimed divinity... but not in the trinitarian way.

Elohim... is God... God is Elohim...

Elohim is plural.... God is a family.

 

[Zebra1552]

I'm considering that Jesus may have claimed divinity... but not in the trinitarian way.

Elohim... is God... God is Elohim...

Elohim is plural.... God is a family.

You have fun with your heresies, Gary.

 

[Gary51]

You have fun with your heresies, Gary.

It's not about fun... it's about trying to understand the word of God...

Jesus will be my judge. Jesus knows my heart and my mind. He knows what I understand, and He knows why I understand.


I wonder to myself, is saying God is Elohim heresy.

Christianity
Main article: Christian heresy
In Christianity, heresy is a "theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the Roman Catholic or Orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church, or, by extension, to that of any church, creed, or religious system, considered as orthodox. By extension, heresy is an opinion or doctrine in philosophy, politics, science, art, etc., at variance with those generally accepted as authoritative."[1]
The use of the term "heresy" in the context of Christianity is less common today, with some notable exceptions: see for example Rudolf Bultmann and the "character" of debates over ordination of women and gay priests. Popular imagination relegates "heresy" to the Middle Ages,[citation needed] when the Church's power in Europe was at its height, but the case of the scholar and humanist Giordano Bruno was not the last execution for heresy. Heresy remained an officially punishable offense in Roman Catholic nations until the late 18th century. In Spain, heretics were prosecuted and punished during the Counter-Enlightenment movement of the restoration of the monarchy there after the Napoleonic Era.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy

 

[Uphill Battle]

I'm wondering if those who deny the deity of Christ, deny parts of scripture as well.

tell me, Gary... Scriptures(the other poster) do you recognize the Epistles in the new testament as innerrant? useless? authoritative? Lies? what is your view on the books outside the gospels?

 

[Zebra1552]

It's not about fun... it's about trying to understand the word of God...

Jesus will be my judge. Jesus knows my heart and my mind. He knows what I understand, and He knows why I understand.


I wonder to myself, is saying God is Elohim heresy.

Calling God family is heresy. God is trinity, according to the Bible. Family implies an unequal member, such as a child. If all parts are God, as clearly demonstrated in the Bible, then no member is unequal.

Christianity
Main article: Christian heresy
In Christianity, heresy is a "theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the Roman Catholic or Orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church, or, by extension, to that of any church, creed, or religious system, considered as orthodox. By extension, heresy is an opinion or doctrine in philosophy, politics, science, art, etc., at variance with those generally accepted as authoritative."[1]
The use of the term "heresy" in the context of Christianity is less common today, with some notable exceptions: see for example Rudolf Bultmann and the "character" of debates over ordination of women and gay priests. Popular imagination relegates "heresy" to the Middle Ages,[citation needed] when the Church's power in Europe was at its height, but the case of the scholar and humanist Giordano Bruno was not the last execution for heresy. Heresy remained an officially punishable offense in Roman Catholic nations until the late 18th century. In Spain, heretics were prosecuted and punished during the Counter-Enlightenment movement of the restoration of the monarchy there after the Napoleonic Era.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy

That's nice. But you are directly contradicting Scripture while claiming to support it. That makes you a heretic, because you are supporting heresy.

 

[Uphill Battle]

take it easy... we're all heretics in the eyes of another.

not much point in pointing it out.

 

[Zebra1552]

take it easy... we're all heretics in the eyes of another.

not much point in pointing it out.

Um, when one claims to follow and search for truth in the Bible, and it stares them in the face, and it gets ignored, one is not really searching for truth in the Bible. It is not just heretical, it is hypocritical.

 

[Uphill Battle]

perhaps. But heretic is probably the most watered down identifier we can use. the Catholics think I'M a heretic. the SDA think the Catholics are heretics. The presbyterians think....

well, you get the drift.

more productive to just give the evidence, and discuss it. I understand your zeal, don't get me wrong... but no point being the light, if you're blinding people by it.

 

[Zebra1552]

perhaps. But heretic is probably the most watered down identifier we can use. the Catholics think I'M a heretic. the SDA think the Catholics are heretics. The presbyterians think....

well, you get the drift.

more productive to just give the evidence, and discuss it. I understand your zeal, don't get me wrong... but no point being the light, if you're blinding people by it.

I cannot blind someone who is already blinded. I have already given the evidence, they are on the first three pages of this thread. All of it has been dismissed, ignored, or distorted. And then they have the gall to say that I need to answer their questions. That deserves the label of heretic and hypocrite. And either they will answer the questions and address the issues, or they will look like like they are stuffing fingers in their ears while claiming to listen.

 

[Gary51]

Calling God family is heresy.

Is heresy a man made concept, or is it in the Bible? I'm unsure on that point.

God is trinity, according to the Bible. Family implies an unequal member, such as a child. If all parts are God, as clearly demonstrated in the Bible, then no member is unequal.

That is one of the reason I find the trinity hard to believe. The Father is greater than the Son...

And, is not a father and son part of a family?

That's nice. But you are directly contradicting Scripture while claiming to support it. That makes you a heretic, because you are supporting heresy.

Calling somebody a heretic is a middle-age concept.... Maybe you would like to burn me at the stake too.