Did Jesus claim Divinity?

[Gary51]

if you understood what the signifigance of that statement was to a Jew, you'd understand the signifigance of it in relation to Jesus' claim of Godhood.

Jesus being the Son of God and the Messiah is the essential signfigance.

Jews do not see Jesus as the Son of God or the Messiah!

 

[Nadiine]

No, I believe all of the Bible... I just don't believe all of the interpretations.

even when they're spelled right out for you...

this is how the people who support homosexuality claim they get away with their interpretations too.
It doesn't mean your interpretation floats when it's directly defeated - it means you're wrong & need to figure out what to do w/ that bible.

As it stands, nontrinitarians have a contradictory bible when Jesus is called "Mighty God" and THE GOD/Ho Theos even one time.
It's teaching that He's either a lesser god (which is heresy) or share's Godhood equally. It has to be dealt with.
Nevermind that He used "I AM" as a name repeatedly which the Jews automatically know as God's name from their heritage of Moses with God.


Whatever - continue your denial, it only ruins your bible's overall credibility, not my bible's.

Acts 20:28
Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

 

[scriptures]

Gary.... Your amazing!!!!! it's like your a one man demolition team here!!!!!


Your amazing!!!!!

 

[scriptures]

(Rev 1:1 LITV) A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show to His slaves things which must occur quickly. And He signified by sending through His angel to His slave, John,

 

[scriptures]

For my friends in this forum.......

http://www.scripturaltruths.com/jesus/firstlast/

 

[Gary51]

even when they're spelled right out for you...

this is how the people who support homosexuality claim they get away with their interpretations too.
It doesn't mean your interpretation floats when it's directly defeated - it means you're wrong & need to figure out what to do w/ that bible.

As it stands, nontrinitarians have a contradictory bible when Jesus is called "Mighty God" and THE GOD/Ho Theos even one time.
It's teaching that He's either a lesser god (which is heresy) or share's Godhood equally. It has to be dealt with.
Nevermind that He used "I AM" as a name repeatedly which the Jews automatically know as God's name from their heritage of Moses with God.


Whatever - continue your denial, it only ruins your bible's overall credibility, not my bible's.

Acts 20:28
Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

The problem with your posts is that you show signs of having hurt feeling when someone disagrees with your belief.

Then you go off with with absurd statements like the one you just made regarding homosexuality.

I fully accept that you believe in a trinity.... Try to accept that I strongly.... very strongly, think you are wrong.

I know you think I am wrong... but hey... thats life.

 

[pippa]

Jesus did claim to be God, when in REvelation, describing conditions in heaven said 'i will be their God'.

 

[Gary51]

Jesus did claim to be God, when in REvelation, describing conditions in heaven said 'i will be their God'.

Hi Pippa,

Would you mind giving chapter and verse?

Thank you.

 

[Gary51]

Jesus did claim to be God, when in REvelation, describing conditions in heaven said 'i will be their God'.

Can anyone give me chapter and verse?

 

[Zebra1552]

Check Revelation 21, Gary. Verses 3-7, I believe.

 

[pippa]

sorry Gary i hadnt got back to this post. i will try to find the reference
pippa

 

[pippa]

Here it is:
6Then He said to me, "(P)It is done I am the (Q)Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end (R)I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the (S)water of life without cost.
7"(T)He who overcomes will inherit these things, and (U)I will be his God and he will be My son.

Revelation 21:7
(knew it was there somewhere!)

 

[Uphill Battle]

Jesus being the Son of God and the Messiah is the essential signfigance.

Jews do not see Jesus as the Son of God or the Messiah!

yes it is! completely signifigant.

Jews hung him on a cross for his claims.

looks like the plan worked just as it was laid out.

you didn't address what it is I said, though.

it isn't about if Jews viewed him as God, but whether or not Jesus claimed divinity.

when he said I AM he was claiming Godhood. I AM is the name God gave to Moses at the burning bush.

any Jew listening would know that is exactly what he was saying, when he said "before Abraham, I AM."

of another note, the passage where the apostles are near capsizing in their boat, and Christ calls out to them, it's been rendered "fear not, it is I" but a more literal translation, so I've read, is "fear not, I AM"

compelling evidence.

 

[Nadiine]

yes it is! completely signifigant.

Jews hung him on a cross for his claims.

looks like the plan worked just as it was laid out.

you didn't address what it is I said, though.

it isn't about if Jews viewed him as God, but whether or not Jesus claimed divinity.

when he said I AM he was claiming Godhood. I AM is the name God gave to Moses at the burning bush.

any Jew listening would know that is exactly what he was saying, when he said "before Abraham, I AM."

of another note, the passage where the apostles are near capsizing in their boat, and Christ calls out to them, it's been rendered "fear not, it is I" but a more literal translation, so I've read, is "fear not, I AM"

compelling evidence.

Every bit of what was shown here (and it was a lot) is extremely compelling and significant.

Again, the Bible calls Him God outright in Heb. 1 (Ho Theos) - the Father calls Him "The God". Sorry, but that has to be dealt with.
Any claim of Godhood has to be explained. It's also in Isaiah where He's called YHWY of Hosts.

He cannot be a lesser God, becuz the Father says He won't share His glory with another (of which Jesus is given glory and honor w/ the Father in Rev. 4-5 - AND IS WORSHIPPED)...
no other gods may be worshipped other than God Himself, it's one of the 10 commandments - so telling us to worship Christ is heresy if He's just a lesser god.

If He's not a god or God .... then a human is recieving worship & being glorified which is also heretical. He has to be God or else the Bible is a mess and teaching heresy & blasphemy where Christ is concerned.

But it tells us He's God in other places as well; directly and indirectly.
There's a reason Trinitarianism has been the mainstay in Christianity and why that creed was created to keep the standard for Christians.

Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Isaiah 48:11
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

of Christ:

Revelation 5:12
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Revelation 5:13
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

God said He won't share His glory with another - yet the Lamb (Christ) is seen with Him accepting equal blessing, honour & glory together (worship).
The lists go on and on why He has to be one of the 3 who is the True God; worthy to recieve equal glory and worship with God and as God.

 

[Nadiine]

Until the Father reveals His identity, no amount of proof of scriptures will help or change a heart.

 

[Nadiine]

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/jesusclaimshub.html

this article explains why the claims of deity are made as they are - as always, we want our info spoon fed our way in straight English - & even when it is, people ignore it like the homosexual verses that can't be any clearer against the lifestyle, yet people work to find ways around it or turn it into something else to suit a preference.

Anyways, I think this sheds some light on some aspects of the claims Jesus made.

 

[PeacaHeaven]

 

[scriptures]

Here it is:
6Then He said to me, "(P)It is done I am the (Q)Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end (R)I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the (S)water of life without cost.
7"(T)He who overcomes will inherit these things, and (U)I will be his God and he will be My son.

Revelation 21:7
(knew it was there somewhere!)

(Rev 21:7 LITV) The one overcoming will inherit all things, and I will be God to him, and he will be the son to Me.

This one refers to the Father... sorry!!!!try again!!!!

 

[scriptures]

yes it is! completely signifigant.

Jews hung him on a cross for his claims.

looks like the plan worked just as it was laid out.

you didn't address what it is I said, though.

it isn't about if Jews viewed him as God, but whether or not Jesus claimed divinity.

when he said I AM he was claiming Godhood. I AM is the name God gave to Moses at the burning bush.

any Jew listening would know that is exactly what he was saying, when he said "before Abraham, I AM."

of another note, the passage where the apostles are near capsizing in their boat, and Christ calls out to them, it's been rendered "fear not, it is I" but a more literal translation, so I've read, is "fear not, I AM"

compelling evidence.

You need a lot of study.... Exodus and John are not the same.....

 

[scriptures]

Until the Father reveals His identity, no amount of proof of scriptures will help or change a heart.

receiving glory and power from God???? I thought you said Jesus is equal to God????