Did humans descend from Apes?

Aman777 · Mar 25, 2018

Paul of Eugene OR said:
Well, history requires the invention of writing, so basically the earliest history records the earliest writing. Not the same as the earliest humans.

The earliest Humans (descendants of Adam) arrived in the mountains of Ararat 11,000 years ago according to History. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE EVERY trait of modern Humans is first demonstrated AFTER the arrival of the Ark, no matter how many godless people try to make you believe it happened through some magical Evol process.

Before then, the people who roamed this Earth were NOT Adam's descendants as godless Science has classified them. The False ToE needs repair.

Aman777 · Mar 25, 2018

Jjmcubbin said:
"IF you have the proper interpretation" see this is the problem. It is like modern art. You can equate anything with everything because the words are vague. Which is why I said your posts are like a horoscope.

If you have the proper interpretation of the KJV of the Bible, you find that it AGREES with every discovery of Science and History. ALL other supposed Truths are part truths which require the Blind Faith of its believers. Can you make your "belief" agree with Science and History or must you admit to its half truth?

Aman777 · Mar 25, 2018

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
The process was evolution by natural selection. The earliest humans (homo sapiens) appeared at least 200,000 years ago, probably around 300,000 years ago.

False, since Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes but were formed of the dust of the ground long BEFORE any other creature, plants, herbs, rain Gen 2:4-7 and BEFORE Trees. What you call Humans (descendants of Adam) lived for Billions of years before they arrived on our Planet.

Herman Hedning · Mar 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
False, since Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes but were formed of the dust of the ground long BEFORE any other creature, plants, herbs, rain Gen 2:4-7 and BEFORE Trees. What you call Humans (descendants of Adam) lived for Billions of years before they arrived on our Planet.

False, since your fantasies do NOT count as evidence for anything.

Aman777 · Mar 25, 2018

AnotherAtheist said:
You are here arguing that your bible quotes were correct. However, they are not addressing the question that we were discussing. Hence, this is a complete non-sequitur.

You are arguing the incomplete, changeable, current consensus of Science, in a Christian forum. Do you expect us to believe that you understand Scripture? Your arguments from ignorance don't trump God's Holy Word. I suggest you flee to the uneducated side of town to spew your doctrine.

Aman777 · Mar 25, 2018

Herman Hedning said:
False, since your fantasies do NOT count as evidence for anything.

Is that why you fail so miserably when you TRY to refute me? Tell us HOW ancient men, who lived thousands of years before Science, KNEW and correctly wrote of the Fact that we live in a Multiverse. Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4 Tell us HOW they wrote the correct scientific Truth, which was only announced in 2016 by today's "advanced" science, which shows that "every living creature that moves" was made from WATER. Gen 1:21 and
Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things
Jul 25, 2016

Until you explain these recently discovered Scientific Facts in Genesis, I shall ignore your posts as nothing but blabber. God Bless you

Herman Hedning · Mar 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
Is that why you fail so miserably when you TRY to refute me? Tell us HOW ancient men, who lived thousands of years before Science, KNEW and correctly wrote of the Fact that we live in a Multiverse. Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4 Tell us HOW they wrote the correct scientific Truth, which was only announced in 2016 by today's "advanced" science, which shows that "every living creature that moves" was made from WATER. Gen 1:21

Until you explain these recently discovered Scientific Facts in Genesis, I shall ignore your posts as nothing but blabber. God Bless you

I don't try to refute you anymore. There is no point, since you completely ignore any points posted, and carry on with your delusional claptrap regardless. I have shown on multiple occasions that your fantasies about Lake Van are utterly wrong, but you just act as you didn't see the responses - well, I suppose you really didn't.

Aman777 · Mar 25, 2018

Herman Hedning said:
I don't try to refute you anymore. There is no point, since you completely ignore any points posted, and carry on with your delusional claptrap regardless. I have shown on multiple occasions that your fantasies about Lake Van are utterly wrong, but you just act as you didn't see the responses - well, I suppose you really didn't.

Can you tell us another place to dock a 450 ft long Ark in the mountains of Ararat? Of course not. You probably believe the ancient theologians who thought the Ark landed on top of the 16k ft Mt. Ararat, in the snow. Amen?

Herman Hedning · Mar 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
Can you tell us another place to dock a 450 ft long Ark in the mountains of Ararat? Of course not. You probably believe the ancient theologians who thought the Ark landed on top of the 16k ft Mt. Ararat, in the snow. Amen?

I do not believe there ever was a guy named Noah that floated around in a big boat during a world wide flood. Amen?

FrumiousBandersnatch · Mar 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
False, since Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes but were formed of the dust of the ground long BEFORE any other creature, plants, herbs, rain Gen 2:4-7 and BEFORE Trees. What you call Humans (descendants of Adam) lived for Billions of years before they arrived on our Planet.

You can believe any myth you like, or you can accept what the evidence in the dust of the ground indicates. I prefer to go with the evidence.

Paul of Eugene OR · Mar 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
If you have the proper interpretation of the KJV of the Bible, you find that it AGREES with every discovery of Science and History. ALL other supposed Truths are part truths which require the Blind Faith of its believers. Can you make your "belief" agree with Science and History or must you admit to its half truth?

In other words, only what agrees with your interpretation of reality is real. The rest of us go with interpreting and understanding the evidence.

Jjmcubbin · Mar 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
If you have the proper interpretation of the KJV of the Bible, you find that it AGREES with every discovery of Science and History. ALL other supposed Truths are part truths which require the Blind Faith of its believers. Can you make your "belief" agree with Science and History or must you admit to its half truth?

Please read the first line of the post you replied to. I asked where in the Bible it says or even hypothesizes about mendelian genetics, penicillin, and few other things. Don't the the claim if you can't show the proof. I see you cut that part while quoting it.
And a genuine question, can you have superiority Complex about a religion? Because you seem to. I could say the same thing about every other religion than mine, with a book (which actually does have some science) to boot, which came before the Bible. But I don't because all that was just conjecture, untested at that time, and I suggest you do too.

AnotherAtheist · Mar 26, 2018

Aman777 said:
You are arguing the incomplete, changeable, current consensus of Science, in a Christian forum. Do you expect us to believe that you understand Scripture? Your arguments from ignorance don't trump God's Holy Word. I suggest you flee to the uneducated side of town to spew your doctrine.

No. I expect you to actually answer the question I ask.

It's rather telling that you ask me to 'flee to the uneducated side of town' rather than actually addressing my points.

Aman777 · Mar 26, 2018

Herman Hedning said:
I do not believe there ever was a guy named Noah that floated around in a big boat during a world wide flood. Amen?

You are entitled to your opinion but it doesn't fit the facts of the flood story. For instance, you don't seem to know that Adam's world sank on the SAME Day the Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat. As Adam's world was being totally destroyed, the Ark was being released into the Lake. The Scoffers/know it alls of the last days will NOT believe this. ll Peter 3:3-7 Thanks for fulfilling God's Truth.

Aman777 · Mar 26, 2018

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
You can believe any myth you like, or you can accept what the evidence in the dust of the ground indicates. I prefer to go with the evidence.

Everything on this Planet, including this Planet, is composed of air, dust and water. The evidence is inside your body which will return to dust at death. So, what are your trying to say? You seem confused.

Aman777 · Mar 26, 2018

Paul of Eugene OR said:
In other words, only what agrees with your interpretation of reality is real. The rest of us go with interpreting and understanding the evidence.

False, since the proper interpretation of Genesis agrees, in every way, with every discovery of Science and History. God hid His scientific Truth in Genesis and Humankind is just now discovering what He told us. It's proof of God and proof that we live in the last days.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:

Get ready to convert to God's Truth since it's also the Truth of Science. God pours out His Spirit of Truth, in the last days, through Science. Otherwise, unbelievers would have an excuse for their blasphemous views. Once they have been told the Truth, they are without excuse. Rom 1:20

Aman777 · Mar 26, 2018

Jjmcubbin said:
Please read the first line of the post you replied to. I asked where in the Bible it says or even hypothesizes about mendelian genetics, penicillin, and few other things. Don't the the claim if you can't show the proof. I see you cut that part while quoting it.
And a genuine question, can you have superiority Complex about a religion? Because you seem to. I could say the same thing about every other religion than mine, with a book (which actually does have some science) to boot, which came before the Bible. But I don't because all that was just conjecture, untested at that time, and I suggest you do too.

The Bible wasn't written to agree with your every thought. All the drugs you list are temporary fixes since we all leave this Earth at some point, no matter how many drugs we take. The ONLY permanent fix for immortality is with Jesus. I'm sorry if you wish to remain with the theology of ancient men, who lived thousands of years before formal education or Science. I moved on to God's Truth long ago since it AGREES in every way with every discovery of Science and History....and NO one can refute that Truth. Amen?

Aman777 · Mar 26, 2018

AnotherAtheist said:
No. I expect you to actually answer the question I ask.

Sure. The first firmament, which God called Heaven, was made the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8 Other Heavens were made by Lord God on the next Day, (Big Bang) the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 Most scholars study the ancient views of the Hebrews but God tells us that ONLY the people living in the last days, have the "increased knowledge" to understand Scripture. Daniel 12:4

AnotherAtheist said:
It's rather telling that you ask me to 'flee to the uneducated side of town' rather than actually addressing my points.

It's the Truth since most people here have NO idea what Genesis actually says. They are "willingly ignorant" of God's Truth, which means they are uneducated about His Truth by their own free choice. Amen?

FrumiousBandersnatch · Mar 26, 2018

Aman777 said:
Everything on this Planet, including this Planet, is composed of air, dust and water. The evidence is inside your body which will return to dust at death. So, what are your trying to say? You seem confused.

I'm not confused - as I said, the evidence in 'the dust of the Earth', as you put it (and multiple other independent lines of evidence), tells us that we are members of the superfamily Hominoidea (Apes), and so share a common ancestor with other extant apes.

You can invent any magical origin myths you like in order to deny it, but the evidence is beyond all reasonable doubt.

xianghua · Mar 26, 2018

AnotherAtheist said:
I said:

So, calling these genes 'feather genes' is inaccurate. They are generalised genes for a number of purposes, which just happen to be used in feathers as well.

true. but that was "brightmoon" argument in the first place: "In vertebrates without limbs we see the same genes for making limbs". means that those creatures lost their limbs. so as we both see now its not true since those genes are multifunctional.

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