Did humans descend from Apes?

[AnotherAtheist]

False, since on the 150th day after the flood began, Adam's world sank in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4 This totally destroyed Adam's entire firmament/heaven/universe AND it released the 450 ft long Ark into the Lake. The Bible is God's Holy Word, Authored by the Spirit of Truth, which means that you have the wrong interpretation. No wonder you're an atheist.

Are you saying that all those people I'm quoting are atheists, including Answers From Genesis?

Your Bible quote does not seem to clearly establish a local flood, and certainly does not outweigh all the clear quotes from The Bible in previous quotes clearly indicating a worldwide flood.

It appears that you are trying to take advantage of the internal inconsistency of The Bible by cherry picking obscure bits and ignoring the clear claims of a global flood elsewhere.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

For a goat herder who lived thousands of years before Science? How bout the fact that God tells us we live in a Multiverse? with at least 3 Heavens? Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4 One of which has been totally destroyed in the flood? 2Pet3:6 One of which is where Jesus has gone to prepare a place for us, Jhn 14:2 in the Third Heaven of ll Cor 12:2? With your enlightenment, please tell us IF today's Cosmos is the 2nd Heaven, destined for burning? 2Pet3:10 Of course it is. Your knowledge seems limited to just 1 world? Your future is in jeopardy.

We don't even know if we live in one universe of a multiverse. And the Bible quotes you give are not a specific description of a multiverse but ambiguous text that you have chosen to interpret in an attempt to match modern theories.

Can you point out anyone interpreting that Bible text as a multiverse before physicists invented the theory?

 

[Aman777]

Are you saying that all those people I'm quoting are atheists, including Answers From Genesis?

No, but they study the ancient views of men thousands of years before Science. I seek to find agreement between Scripture, Science and History. When I find this Truth, I call it God's Truth because it's the Truth in every way.

Your Bible quote does not seem to clearly establish a local flood, and certainly does not outweigh all the clear quotes from The Bible in previous quotes clearly indicating a worldwide flood.

It happened in a 75 mile wide Lake, in the mountains of Ararat, 11k years ago. Adam's entire firmament/heaven/universe was totally destroyed when it sank to the bottom of the Lake. To the people of the first world, it was a Global Flood. To the people of the present world, few noticed.

It appears that you are trying to take advantage of the internal inconsistency of The Bible by cherry picking obscure bits and ignoring the clear claims of a global flood elsewhere.

It was a global flood to Adam's world, which perished (Greek-destroyed totally).
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

God set a trap to catch the evol prophets of the last days, who didn't know that the bottom of the first Universe awaits discovery on our Earth. It's empirical physical evidence of life from BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos. It's also worth it's weight in gold and it's miles wide. Tell every Evangelist and Scientist you can find.

 

[Aman777]

We don't even know if we live in one universe of a multiverse. And the Bible quotes you give are not a specific description of a multiverse but ambiguous text that you have chosen to interpret in an attempt to match modern theories.

Can you point out anyone interpreting that Bible text as a multiverse before physicists invented the theory?

Me. I've been showing others that Gen 1:8 and 2:4 show that we live in a Multiverse since the 70s. The first firmament, which God called "Heaven" was made the 2nd Day Gen 1:8 by God the Trinity. The other HeavenS (plural) were made by Lord God/Jesus on the same Day the first Earth was made, the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

One on the 2nd Day, made by God the Trinity. Gen 1:8
Others, on the 3rd Day, made by God the Son. Gen 2:4

See the difference? One is Their kind (Trinity) and the others are His kind (Jesus). BTW, Everything, including the other Heavens, made by God the Son, is temporal, and destined for destruction.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

No, but they study the ancient views of men thousands of years before Science. I seek to find agreement between Scripture, Science and History. When I find this Truth, I call it God's Truth because it's the Truth in every way.



It happened in a 75 mile wide Lake, in the mountains of Ararat, 11k years ago. Adam's entire firmament/heaven/universe was totally destroyed when it sank to the bottom of the Lake. To the people of the first world, it was a Global Flood. To the people of the present world, few noticed.



It was a global flood to Adam's world, which perished (Greek-destroyed totally).
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

God set a trap to catch the evol prophets of the last days, who didn't know that the bottom of the first Universe awaits discovery on our Earth. It's empirical physical evidence of life from BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos. It's also worth it's weight in gold and it's miles wide. Tell every Evangelist and Scientist you can find.

In your previous post you referred to Genesis 8:4 to support your argument. I didn't check the verse at the time, but now that I have, it says:

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 8 - New International Version

and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

Given that Gen 8:3 says:

The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down,

How on earth do you get from that to claiming that The Bible doesn't say that the flood was global? What on earth is all this about a lake?

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Me. I've been showing others that Gen 1:8 and 2:4 show that we live in a Multiverse since the 70s. The first firmament, which God called "Heaven" was made the 2nd Day Gen 1:8 by God the Trinity. The other HeavenS (plural) were made by Lord God/Jesus on the same Day the first Earth was made, the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

One on the 2nd Day, made by God the Trinity. Gen 1:8
Others, on the 3rd Day, made by God the Son. Gen 2:4

See the difference? One is Their kind (Trinity) and the others are His kind (Jesus). BTW, Everything, including the other Heavens, made by God the Son, is temporal, and destined for destruction.

I do not agree that just referring to the plural heavenS in any way indicates a multiverse. I've just read all of Genesis 1, and I see nothing to suggest that there is any discussion of a universe. It, as I remembered it, describes the creation of the world, with the 'heavenS' being effectively the skies. Plural, but nothing even resembling a multiverse.

 

[Aman777]

In your previous post you referred to Genesis 8:4 to support your argument. I didn't check the verse at the time, but now that I have, it says:

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 8 - New International Version

Given that Gen 8:3 says:

How on earth do you get from that to claiming that The Bible doesn't say that the flood was global? What on earth is all this about a lake?

The flood began on Feb 17th Gen 7:11 and the Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat on July 17th Gen 8:4 in the 600th year of Noah. That is 150 days or 5 months after the flood began. What is really interesting is that the Ark was above the mountains on Adam's Earth on the SAME 150th day after the flood began. Gen 7:20-24

Adam's world (kosmos) sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago, releasing the 450 ft Ark, bringing the unique intelligence of God and Adam Gen 3:22, to this planet of the common ancestor of Apes. Humans (descendants of Adam) did NOT descend from Apes. Noah's grandsons passed our superior intelligence to the people who had been here for Millions of years before the Ark arrived. It's because there were NO other Humans for them to marry. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

I do not agree that just referring to the plural heavenS in any way indicates a multiverse. I've just read all of Genesis 1, and I see nothing to suggest that there is any discussion of a universe. It, as I remembered it, describes the creation of the world, with the 'heavenS' being effectively the skies. Plural, but nothing even resembling a multiverse.

You missed the Fact that God made the first Heaven. That's God (Elohim-The Trinity)....and the other HeavenS were made by Lord God (YHWH/Jesus). The Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that Adam's entire world was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 Do you?

 

[AnotherAtheist]

The flood began on Feb 17th Gen 7:11 and the Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat on July 17th Gen 8:4 in the 600th year of Noah. That is 150 days or 5 months after the flood began. What is really interesting is that the Ark was above the mountains on Adam's Earth on the SAME 150th day after the flood began. Gen 7:20-24

Adam's world (kosmos) sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago, releasing the 450 ft Ark, bringing the unique intelligence of God and Adam Gen 3:22, to this planet of the common ancestor of Apes. Humans (descendants of Adam) did NOT descend from Apes. Noah's grandsons passed our superior intelligence to the people who had been here for Millions of years before the Ark arrived. It's because there were NO other Humans for them to marry. Amen?

I can't see anything in Gen 7:11 or Gen 8:4 to support your claims about 'Adam's world'. Nor all the rest of what you said.

You missed the Fact that God made the first Heaven. That's God (Elohim-The Trinity)....and the other HeavenS were made by Lord God (YHWH/Jesus). The Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that Adam's entire world was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 Do you?

I looked at your Bible reference and again I can't see how it supports your claims (about what the Bible says).

No, I don't believe that the entire world was destroyed by a global flood. However, I do believe that The Bible claims that it was.

 

[Speedwell]

I can't see anything in Gen 7:11 or Gen 8:4 to support your claims about 'Adam's world'. Nor all the rest of what you said.



I looked at your Bible reference and again I can't see how it supports your claims (about what the Bible says).

No, I don't believe that the entire world was destroyed by a global flood. However, I do believe that The Bible claims that it was.

Yet the underlying Hebrew is not so specific, implying no more than "everywhere that is important to this story." The description is clearly and, I think, intentionally phenomenological, nothing but part of the scenery. The idea that it must have been the entire terrestrial globe and that this is somehow a key point of the story which must be validated scientifically or "the Bible is a lie" is a late invention.

 

[Aman777]

No, I don't believe that the entire world was destroyed by a global flood. However, I do believe that The Bible claims that it was.

Thanks for showing everyone what God said you would say thousands of years ago.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Evolutionists teach the above and God calls them the Scoffers of the last days.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

THEN WAS speaks of a world in the past which was totally destroyed in water.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Now, it's your time to convince us that you know more than God. Do you believe Adam's entire world was destroyed in the flood and that the present world will be burned? It's just one of the many references in Scripture which clearly shows that Adam's world is NOT the world of today. Amen?

 

[Brightmoon]

You’re correct I’m scoffing , when I’m not lol. You realize you’re not making much sense. the universe i believe in the the one God created which is the one that mainstream scientists describe with science

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Now, it's your time to convince us that you know more than God. Do you believe Adam's entire world was destroyed in the flood and that the present world will be burned? It's just one of the many references in Scripture which clearly shows that Adam's world is NOT the world of today. Amen?

Actually, you could start by convincing us that there is a God. As there's not a lot of point about talking about God's word etc. if there is no God in the first place and it's a myth. As for me 'knowing more than God'. Well, God doesn't exist. So, everybody living 'knows more than God'.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Yet the underlying Hebrew is not so specific, implying no more than "everywhere that is important to this story." The description is clearly and, I think, intentionally phenomenological, nothing but part of the scenery. The idea that it must have been the entire terrestrial globe and that this is somehow a key point of the story which must be validated scientifically or "the Bible is a lie" is a late invention.

I looked further into this, and still think that the Bible does describe a global flood. Those that argue against that concentrate on the meaning of individual words and the ambiguity therein. However, I agree with those who point out that the larger context in which these words are used clearly indicates a global flood.

 

[Aman777]

You’re correct I’m scoffing , when I’m not lol. You realize you’re not making much sense. the universe i believe in the the one God created which is the one that mainstream scientists describe with science

God created only 1 Multiverse Gen 1:8 which contains other Universes which were created by Lord God (YHWH/Jesus). Gen 2:4 It's the difference between His and Their kinds. The kinds made by Jesus are TEMPORARY while the kinds made by God the Trinity are Eternal. Catch up before your Scoffing exposes your true Faith.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His (Jesus) coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

See? You are saying that we live in the only world made, in contradiction to the Holy Word of God.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

These Scoffers of the last days are "willingly ignorant" which means that they have been told the Truth but don't believe there was another world before the present one. These Scoffers don't believe the story of the flood.

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Grk-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished (Grk Destroyed, totally, utterly)

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Please tell us the difference between the world that then was, which was totally destroyed in the flood and the heavens and earth which are now. Be careful though since your words will reveal your faith in God's Word...or your own view. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Actually, you could start by convincing us that there is a God. As there's not a lot of point about talking about God's word etc. if there is no God in the first place and it's a myth. As for me 'knowing more than God'. Well, God doesn't exist. So, everybody living 'knows more than God'.

Sorry, but you are moving the goalposts before answering my question. Is this Trump? It's really hard to get through to someone who insists on being dead to God. Ever tried to talk to a dead man?

 

[AnotherAtheist]

God created only 1 Multiverse Gen 1:8 which contains other Universes which were created by Lord God (YHWH/Jesus). Gen 2:4 It's the difference between His and Their kinds. The kinds made by Jesus are TEMPORARY while the kinds made by God the Trinity are Eternal. Catch up before your Scoffing exposes your true Faith.

Rather than just posting your bizarre interpretations of Biblical passages which when read seem to not support your claims at all, could you please try to come up with a cogent argument supporting your claims?

Sorry, but you are moving the goalposts before answering my question. Is this Trump? It's really hard to get through to someone who insists on being dead to God. Ever tried to talk to a dead man?

Yes, I can imagine that you'll find it difficult to convince people of things if you have neither objective verifiable evidence nor a strong logical argument for what you are trying to convince them of.

I interpret your paragraph as saying 'It's really hard to convince someone that God exists unless they already believe in God.'

 

[Aman777]

I looked further into this, and still think that the Bible does describe a global flood. Those that argue against that concentrate on the meaning of individual words and the ambiguity therein. However, I agree with those who point out that the larger context in which these words are used clearly indicates a global flood.

It was a Global Flood to those people who died in the flood of Adam's entire world/firmament. It was local ONLY to the people who watched Adam's firmament sink into Lake Van, Turkey, 11,000 years ago. That's God's Truth Scripturally.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

It was a Global Flood to those people who died in the flood of Adam's entire world/firmament. It was local ONLY to the people who watched Adam's firmament sink into Lake Van, Turkey, 11,000 years ago. That's God's Truth Scripturally.

I looked into other people's arguments and original scripture, and I don't agree. I see a Bible that describes a global flood.

If, however, you posit that The Bible is not inspired by God but solely the work of human beings writing from their own knowledge, then perhaps your description works. There may have been a massive flood such that horizon to horizon was water and people caught up in it believed that it was global. However, this would simply mean that the Bible describing a global flood was wrong. Not that we should interpret the Bible as both being infallible and actually meaning to describe a local flood.

EDIT: Note that I don't know if even a local flood large enough to be horizon to horizon is actually physically possible.

 

[Aman777]

Rather than just posting your bizarre interpretations of Biblical passages which when read seem to not support your claims at all, could you please try to come up with a cogent argument supporting your claims?

Yes, I can imagine that you'll find it difficult to convince people of things if you have neither objective verifiable evidence nor a strong logical argument for what you are trying to convince them of.

I interpret your paragraph as saying 'It's really hard to convince someone that God exists unless they already believe in God.'

The empirical evidence is under 11k years of volcanic debris in Lake Van, Turkey. Find a rich TV Evangelist or a Scientist needing funding and tell them where to find empirical, physical evidence of life from another world. It's miles in diameter and worth more than it's weight in Gold.