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Did Constantine change the Sabbath to Sunday?

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by FEZZILLA, May 25, 2019.

  1. FEZZILLA

    FEZZILLA Well-Known Member

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    Did Constantine change the Sabbath to Sunday like SDAs & Flat Earthers claim?

    Did Constantine change the Sabbath to Sunday? Such a claim states that a major violation of the law took place in the name Christ, which would make the ministry of Christ' Apostles a total failure from the start. But what if SDAs and other Sabbatarrian sects are lying to you? If Constantine changed the Sabbath to Sunday then early Christianity should be nothing but Sabbath worship before this change. So lets just go back before Constantine to see if what Seventh Day Adventists say is true.

    Ignatius of Antioch was a disciple of the Apostles in the 1st century. However, his written Epistles come from the early 2nd century in which I will be quoting from 108 A.D.

    Since Ignatius was a disciple of the Apostle John, we now have a better understanding of what St.John meant in Rev.1:9-10:

    The Lord's Day is what the early Christians called the first day of the week.

    The Didache (also known as "The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles"), was written in the 1st century, even before the Ignatian Epistles, and is the earliest existing catechism for the church. Most scholars agree that the date of composition is between 50--70 A.D. The author of this catechism is unknown. But it is the earliest mention of Sunday (i.e., The Lord's Day) outside the Canon.

    Though in 150 A.D. we would see Justin Martyr use the word Sunday for the first time in Christian history:

    Again Justin Martyr mentions Sunday:

    The Apostles kept the Lord's Day (i.e., Sunday) as the new Sabbath from the time Jesus rose on the first day of the week. There are about 8 verses in the New Testament which show them worshiping Christ on Sunday. SDAs like to argue those verses and make up petty excuses for them. However, there is one verse the SDAs cannot argue against:

    Now since SDAs and other Sabbatarians believe we live under the Mosaic Law, they fail to recognize that the Sabbath Law was a sign between God and the Israelites forever (Exo.31:16-17) and this covenant was never given to their fathers (Deut.5:2-3). Thus this law was a covenant made between God and Israel with a purpose. The Gentiles did not have the law (Rom.2:14-15). The entire Decalogue of Israel was there for a Divine Purpose and that Purpose was Jesus Christ. Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets and this happened on the 1st day of the week.

    Jesus finished the work of God. But what work could Jesus have finished if creation week ended on the 7th Day? This is where SDAs have a serious problem in how they understand Scripture. Mankind fell into sin (Gen.3) and thus creation was tarnished by sin and God cursed all creation on account of sin entering the world. But God was not finished. Jesus rose on the 1st day which to us Christians symbolizes the 8th Day of creation--creation through the newness of our lives in Christ' resurrection from the dead, when we, too, rose from the dead through His Power.

    SDAs often accuse Christians who attend Sunday Churches of worshiping the sun. But that is a silly argument. We could also say SDAs worship the god Saturn if we wanted to return the silliness. But all the days of the week were named after pagan deities and Jesus and His Apostles lived in a very pagan world.

    But here you can see that before 336 B.C., Christians were worshiping on Sunday (aka "the Lord's Day") long before Constantine's father was born! The SDA claim is not historically true. But will SDAs be honest about all this? Nope!

    Then there is this fulfilled verse SDAs pay no attention to:

    This verse was fulfilled in what historians call Christendom. God is not losing. The Gospel did not become corrupted in the early centuries of Christianity. The Apostles did not fail.
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  2. Tone

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    They don't say he changed it...they say he politicized it.

    *Nobody says they changed it...that is impossible...the Sabbath is the Sabbath...is the Sabbath.
     
  3. FEZZILLA

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    Please explain to me the mountain of SDA books that all address the reader's interest with the question "Who changed the Sabbath to Sunday?"

    Maybe I could just go into the Ellen White books and quote her saying Constantine did it?
     
  4. TuxAme

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    This is my first time hearing this version of the claim.
     
  5. Tone

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    So they used that line as a hook...but, does the content itself say that the Sabbath was actually changed?
     
  6. Tone

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    You never heard that Constantine made Christianity a recognized state religion?
     
  7. FEZZILLA

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    SDA say Constantine changed the day. That is what Ellen G.White said and she is the prophet of Adventism.
     
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  9. Tone

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    Isaiah 60:3 proves that...how?
     
  10. Tone

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    Well, if she said that she is wrong, because no man can change any day.
     
  11. SeventyOne

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    Interesting how you snuck in 'flat earthers' into the title of your accusatory post, but didn't substantiate the claim within the post itself.
     
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  12. FEZZILLA

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    Constantine began fulfilling a very important prophecy which involves the Gentile nations and their kings coming to the light of Christ. This is a very important prophecy and SDA never make any mention of it. I wonder why?
     
  13. FEZZILLA

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    Its a post I originally wrote in response to flat earthers. I trimmed it a little for this forum but left my original address in it.
     
  14. Oscarr

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    The actual truth is that the Saturday Sabbath passed into history the moment the veil in the Jewish Temple was ripped from top to bottom when Jesus died on the cross. Christian believers do not have to observe any holy days at all, because Jesus Christ Himself has become our Sabbath, and instead of setting aside a special holy day to worship Him, we now worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Our worship is now 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

    The reason why Christians in the First Century met together for worship on Sundays is that in the Gentile world, Saturday was an ordinary work day, and Sunday was the day off. So there was no actual religious significance in Sunday being a special religious day. It was the only day for Gentile Christians to be able to meet together. Other days they had to go to work and earn a living.

    Jewish Christians in Israel had to worship on Saturdays because that was their day off, and Sunday was a work day. But after AD70, when Israel's political and social structure was destroyed, most Christians worshiped on Sundays. But the non-Christian Judaists in their synagogues throughout the different cities worshiped on Saturdays because that was their custom, and I think that the Roman authorities allowed them to do this.
     
  15. Tone

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    What did Constantine do to fulfill it?
     
  16. FEZZILLA

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    Scripture says the Apostles meet every Sunday to worship and break bread (i.e., the Eucharist).
     
  17. FEZZILLA

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    He didn't completely fulfill it. But he was the first king out of many more gentile kings to come to turn his nation from pagan to Christian. The prophecy speaks of nations and not just one nation from one king. Constantine partook in this prophecy along with many other kings.

    Isaiah 60 is a very very important chapter. The best defense we have for our faith is in that chapter.
     
  18. Tone

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    Scripture? I think it is obvious that the Sabbath has not "passed into history" seeing that it is still with us.

    Then you have no problem with me observing Shabbat right?
     
  19. Oscarr

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    No problem at all if it works for you. What I am saying is that how we worship God is between us and God, and cannot be legislated by others.

    I am not attending any church at present, so Sunday for me is just like any other day of the week, so I worship God when I get up each morning, saying, "Thank you Lord for another day." (because I am 71 years old each day is an extra bonus), I pray and read the Bible, go on CF, read other good Christian literature; and so every day is the same for me. That works for me, but I am not saying that it should work for you.

    But I would be arrogant to come on here and teach that the only way to worship God is every day of the week, and that observing Sunday or the Saturday Sabbath is wrong and unspiritual. I don't have that right, in the same way that no one else has the right to say that I should observe the Sabbath, or Sunday worship or else.
     
  20. Tone

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    You are correct in that it is not up to man to legislate His law. It is my understanding that Sunday as a mandatory "church" day has been legislated in the past.

    What if someone were to tell you that you should not lie...how would you feel about that?
     
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