Did all the laws end at the cross- Part 2

[SabbathBlessings]

Here's a larger quote from Deuteronomy 23
He who is emasculated by crushing or cutting shall not enter into the Lord's assembly. 2 A person born of a forbidden union shall not enter into the Lord's assembly; even to the tenth generation shall no one of his enter into the Lord's assembly. 3 An Ammonite or a Moabite shall not enter into the Lord's assembly; even to the tenth generation shall no one belonging to them enter into the Lord's assembly forever, 4 because they didn’t meet you with bread and with water on the way when you came out of Egypt, and because they hired against you Balaam the son of Beor from Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse you. 5 Nevertheless the Lord your God wouldn’t listen to Balaam, but the Lord your God turned the curse into a blessing to you, because the Lord your God loved you. 6 You shall not seek their peace nor their prosperity all your days forever. 7 You shall not abhor an Edomite, for he is your brother. You shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you lived as a foreigner in his land. 8 The children of the third generation who are born to them may enter into the Lord's assembly.

In the Septuagint, that word Assembly is the same word used for Church in the New Testament.

So I think this relates to what we're talking about.

The text doesn't say anything about accidents. It could explain why Daniel doesn't return to Jerusalem to celebrate the festivals as the law commands.

The same reasoning used for Exodus 20 would also apply to Deuteronomy 23. So to me it makes sense to keep both or keep neither.

Perhaps you can explain why you think this means we don't have to keep the Sabbath holy per the commandment of God, which is the part you left off from your post.

 

[Leaf473]

Perhaps you can explain why you think this means we don't have to keep the Sabbath holy per the commandment of God, which is the part you left off from your post.

I think I did explain at the end of my post.

The same logic applies to both Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 23. So it makes sense to keep both or neither.

I don't think we need to keep Deuteronomy 23 today, so following the same thinking, we don't need to keep Exodus 20 today.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I think I did explain at the end of my post.

The same logic applies to both Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 23. So it makes sense to keep both or neither.

I don't think we need to keep Deuteronomy 23 today, so following the same thinking, we don't need to keep Exodus 20 today.

Thats fine, you are free to believe what you want and if you think Deut 23 deletes what God just wrote with His own finger and is a commandment of God and deletes forward the other 150+ dedicated to the Sabbath in scripture, that's you free will. For me. I choose to believe God. You take care.

 

[Leaf473]

Thats fine, you are free to believe what you want and if you think Deut 23 deletes what God just wrote with His own finger and is a commandment of God and deletes forward the other 150+ dedicated to the Sabbath in scripture, that's you free will. For me. I choose to believe God. You take care.

I also choose to believe God!

No, Deuteronomy 23 doesn't delete anything.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The same logic applies to both Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 23. So it makes sense to keep both or neither.

No, Deuteronomy 23 doesn't delete anything.

We could apply this to the whole bible, so with this reasoning just delete the bible.

 

[Leaf473]

We could apply this to the whole bible, so with this reasoning just delete the bible.

Nothing is deleted out of the Bible.

But even as in Genesis 1 God says to eat only plants,
then in Genesis 9 he says all animals are okay to eat,
and then actually commands the eating of a lamb in Exodus 12,

the application of what the Bible says changes over time.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Nothing is deleted out of the Bible.

But even as in Genesis 1 God says to eat only plants,
then in Genesis 9 he says all animals are okay to eat,
and then actually commands the eating of a lamb in Exodus 12,

the application of what the Bible says changes over time.

You just said Deut 23 means we don't have to keep the Sabbath when nothing remotely in the scripture states that.

Please point out in Genesis 9 where God said all animals can be eaten including unclean animals.

When you keep micro-quoting scripture, it makes it hard to understand God's intent.

 

[Leaf473]

You just said Deut 23 means we don't have to keep the Sabbath when nothing remotely in the scripture states that.

Please point out in Genesis 9 where God said all animals can be eaten including unclean animals.

When you keep micro-quoting scripture, it makes it hard to understand God's intent.

No, I didn't say that Deuteronomy 23 means that we don't have to keep the Sabbath as described in Exodus 20.

I said it makes sense to keep both or neither.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No, I didn't say that Deuteronomy 23 means that we don't have to keep the Sabbath as described in Exodus 20.

I said it makes sense to keep both or neither.

Probably better to keep both if you don't understand, than breaking one of God's Ten Commandments that we will be judged by. James 2:10-12

I'm off for now, have a great day.

 

[Leaf473]

You just said Deut 23 means we don't have to keep the Sabbath when nothing remotely in the scripture states that.

Please point out in Genesis 9 where God said all animals can be eaten including unclean animals.

When you keep micro-quoting scripture, it makes it hard to understand God's intent.

I'm not sure what you mean by micro-quoting. How large of a section do you want me to quote?

I'm sure that you can see that Genesis 9 is highlighted in blue. That means if you click on it, it takes you to the chapter. If you have read the entire chapter and still can't find out where it talks about animals, let me know and I'll narrow it down for you.

The reason I prefer to quote scripture this way is it's closer to how the New Testament writers did it. It's enough for Jesus just to say, Isaiah says...

 

[Leaf473]

Probably better to keep both if you don't understand, than breaking one of God's Ten Commandments that we will be judged by. James 2:10-12

I'm off for now, have a great day.

No, I'm not going to bar someone from entry into a church just because they stepped on a castration bomb.

I think Jesus said we would be judged by his words as well. Really, the entire Bible, if that's what we have access to.

Peace be with you, my sister!

 

[Leaf473]

Here's another great law, from Exodus 12

You shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this same day I have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations by an ordinance forever.

Jesus said to beware of the yeast of the Pharisees, I think it was. That's how I think we keep that feast.

So again, a change in application.

 

[Leaf473]

So a tangent about quoting, for a moment...

In 1 Corinthians 14, Paul writes
In the law it is written, “By men of strange languages and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people. They won’t even hear me that way, says the Lord.”

Paul just writes, In the law it is written...

He doesn't specify chapter and verse, he doesn't even say what book he's looking at! According to my Bible references, it's Isaiah 28:11-12.

Since this is the internet, I'm willing to make the concession and give book and chapter. That usually almost always guarantees context as well.

But if you've made a good faith search and honestly can't find it, let me know, and I'll be happy to narrow it down.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm not sure what you mean by micro-quoting. How large of a section do you want me to quote?

I'm sure that you can see that Genesis 9 is highlighted in blue. That means if you click on it, it takes you to the chapter. If you have read the entire chapter and still can't find out where it talks about animals, let me know and I'll narrow it down for you.

The reason I prefer to quote scripture this way is it's closer to how the New Testament writers did it. It's enough for Jesus just to say, Isaiah says...

I know how to read and find Genesis 9. I don't see the part where God says we can eat all animals including unclean ones. Perhaps you can point that out, which is why I asked for the specific verse.

 

[Leaf473]

I know how to read and find Genesis 9. I don't see the part where God says we can eat all animals including unclean ones. Perhaps you can point that out, which is why I asked for the specific verse.

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives will be food for you. As I gave you the green herb, I have given everything to you.

I was just saying that it talks about eating animals in opposition to what was said in Genesis 1. It even says that it's different, in that verse.

If you want to expand the conversation to include ideas about clean and unclean, that's fine. It says Every moving thing that lives.

One of our Messianic Brothers on a different thread said that the word for food here means Clean food. I think he was trying to show consistency between this and Leviticus 11.

But that just means that every living thing that moves will be clean food for you. Seems to me it would be better just to say that although Noah knew about clean and unclean animals, he and his descendants are allowed to eat all of them, up until Sinai.

Then we can either say a new law was added, or it was a change in the law, or a new application of the same law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives will be food for you. As I gave you the green herb, I have given everything to you.

I was just saying that it talks about eating animals in opposition to what was said in Genesis 1. It even says that it's different, in that verse.

If you want to expand the conversation to include ideas about clean and unclean, that's fine. It says Every moving thing that lives.

One of our Messianic Brothers on a different thread said that the word for food here means Clean food. I think he was trying to show consistency between this and Leviticus 11.

But that just means that every living thing that moves will be clean food for you. Seems to me it would be better just to say that although Noah knew about clean and unclean animals, he and his descendants are allowed to eat all of them, up until Sinai.

Then we can either say a new law was added, or it was a change in the law, or a new application of the same law.

It doesn't say unclean foods.

Moses took 2 animals that were unclean and 7 that were clean and spelled out in detail in Leviticus 11 about clean versus unclean foods.

It appears the Lord never changed His mind in regards to foods that He deemed an abomination to eat.

Isaiah 66:17 Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall be consumed together,” says the Lord.

This seems like its the last word on the subject.

 

[Leaf473]

It doesn't say unclean foods.

Moses took 2 animals that were unclean and 7 that were clean and spelled out in detail in Leviticus 11 about clean versus unclean foods.

It appears the Lord never changed His mind in regards to foods that He deemed an abomination to eat.

Isaiah 66:17 Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall be consumed together,” says the Lord.

This seems like its the last word on the subject.

That's right, it doesn't say unclean foods. It just says Every moving thing that lives will be food for you.

Every moving thing that lives...

Sounds like you're ready to be done, and that's fine with me. No sense having a dispute about the law (Titus 3).

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you.
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 13 - New International Version

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That's right, it doesn't say unclean foods. It just says Every moving thing that lives will be food for you.

Every moving thing that lives...

Sounds like you're ready to be done, and that's fine with me. No sense having a dispute about the law (Titus 3).

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you.
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 13 - New International Version

Yes and Leviticus 11 goes in great detail what it means, same author. I personally would not want to eat anything God deems and abomination, especially since He created us and knows whats best for us.

 

[Leaf473]

Yes and Leviticus 11 goes in great detail what it means. I personally would not want to eat anything God deems and abomination, especially since He created us and knows whats best for us.

Yes, Leviticus 11 goes into great detail about clean animals and preparation methods.

But Genesis 9 just says
Every moving thing that lives...

There are a lot of moving things that Leviticus 11 says are unclean.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, Leviticus 11 goes into great detail about clean animals and preparation methods.

But Genesis 9 just says
Every moving thing that lives...

There are a lot of moving things that Leviticus 11 says are unclean.

Have you ever read a book and later in the book it reveals more details of the same subject? I am a believer there are no contradictions in scripture, just misunderstandings. The details in Lev 11 cannot be misunderstood, it's so clear and expands on Gensis 9, but if you choose to write in "unclean foods' to Genesis 9 and disregard Lev 11 that is your free choice. I think the warning in Isaiah 66:17 would make me pause, but that's me.