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Right, so how does learning about the Talmud help people understand the Sabbath keepers' position? Or did you mis-type something along the way?Sorry I thought my point was obvious. I'm not Hasidic nor do I believe in their extreme legalism which they get from faithfully following the Talmud. It's their Bible.
The Pharisees followed the Talmud far more than the 10. In fact, the scribes and and lawyers, which is what the Pharisees were as the Sanhedrin was the supreme court of Israel wrote the Talmud. It was called the Oral law in Biblical times as it was passed down from generation to generation and not actually written until about 200 years after Christ's death. It was first started about 600 years before the birth of Christ and created by Jewish lawyers as a hedge against ever returning to idolatry. Unfortunately when a small part of the Jewish nation starts writing its laws for that long of a time it becomes idolatry in and of itself.Right, so how does learning about the Talmud help people understand the Sabbath keepers' position? Or did you mis-type something along the way?
Okay... And how does that relate to the Sabbath keepers position? Especially Christian Sabbath keepers?The Pharisees followed the Talmud far more than the 10. In fact, the scribes and and lawyers, which is what the Pharisees were as the Sanhedrin was the supreme court of Israel wrote the Talmud. It was called the Oral law in Biblical times as it was passed down from generation to generation and not actually written until about 200 years after Christ's death. It was first started about 600 years before the birth of Christ and created by Jewish lawyers as a hedge against ever returning to idolatry. Unfortunately when a small part of the Jewish nation starts writing its laws for that long of a time it becomes idolatry in and of itself.
It doesn't affect our position at all. It affects those who see the 4th commandment as bondage. The Pharisees had at least a thousand laws telling them how to "keep" the Sabbath. There are actually two Talmuds, the Palestinian and the Babylonian, that in print form a total of more than 10,000 pages. In ebook form there are more than 5500 pages of rules.Okay... And how does that relate to the Sabbath keepers position? Especially Christian Sabbath keepers?
Hmmm... Then what are you talking about in this post?It doesn't affect our position at all.
To help you understand the Sabbath keepers' position read the following post of mine.
Jesus reveals that the 4th commandment is not moral law
Nope, he did dot make the Mosaic Covenant with all peoples. He made that covenant only with Israel (Lev 26:46; Deut 4:7-8; 6:20-25; 31:26; Ps 147:19; Est 3:8; Neh 9:7-15; Ezek 28:20:10-12; Act 7:53; Rom 9:4, etc.). Moreover, the Mosaic Covenant was bilteral in nature. Only the nation of...www.christianforums.com
It affects those who see the 4th commandment as bondage. The Pharisees had at least a thousand laws telling them how to "keep" the Sabbath. There are actually two Talmuds, the Palestinian and the Babylonian, that in print form a total of more than 10,000 pages. In ebook form there are more than 5500 pages of rules.
We aren't following the Talmud so it doesn't affect us at all. What the Talmud does is point how mistaken people are who call the 10 commandments, and especially the 4th, bondage. The bondage which Jesus pointed out was the Pharisees bondage to the Talmud and their extreme legalism.Hmmm... Then what are you talking about in this post?
Yes, trying to follow the talmud would definitely be a kind of bondage. But not the only kind, I think. A different kind of bondage is talked about hereWe aren't following the Talmud so it doesn't affect us at all. What the Talmud does is point how mistaken people are who call the 10 commandments, and especially the 4th, bondage. The bondage which Jesus pointed out was the Pharisees bondage to the Talmud and their extreme legalism.
Yes. Paul is talking about the bondage of sin.Yes, trying to follow the talmud would definitely be a kind of bondage. But not the only kind, I think. A different kind of bondage is talked about here
Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 4:3 - New American Standard Bible
So we too, when we were children, were held in bondage under the elementary principles of the world.www.biblegateway.com
2Pe_2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
Joh_8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh_15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Okay... Can a person be unconcerned about the Talmud and yet still be in bondage to an instruction in the scriptures about the Sabbath?Yes. Paul is talking about the bondage of sin.
Jesus said essentially the same thing.
But He also called His followers servants as well as used that term in his parables quite a few times in describing those who were out spreading the gospel. I see nothing wrong with that but apparently those who share your beliefs would as they say the Sabbath is bondage. A servant is in bondage as they do not get paid for their labor.
Yes. It's always been pleasing to thr unconverted heart to desire to save themselves. It strokes our ego to imagine we can save ourselves.Okay... Can a person be unconcerned about the Talmud and yet still be in bondage to an instruction in the scriptures about the Sabbath?
Okay... What would be an example of a person being in bondage to an instruction about the Sabbath?Yes. It's always been pleasing to thr unconverted heart to desire to save themselves. It strokes our ego to imagine we can save ourselves.
It's not about specific examples about keeping the Sabbath. It's about motivation just like any other type of behaviorOkay... What would be an example of a person being in bondage to an instruction about the Sabbath?
Okay, then it sounds like a person could be in bondage to the Sabbath commandment found in the ten commandments.It's not about specific examples about keeping the Sabbath. It's about motivation just like any other type of behavior
Of course not. That's a silly question as I'm a Sabbath keeper.Okay, then it sounds like a person could be in bondage to the Sabbath commandment found in the ten commandments.
Do you believe this law ended at the cross?
Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 23:3 - The Message
“Work six days. The seventh day is a Sabbath, a day of total and complete rest, a sacred assembly. Don’t do any work. Wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to GOD.www.biblegateway.com
Which question is a silly question, in your view?Of course not. That's a silly question as I'm a Sabbath keeper.
As I said before, the uconverted heart loves to imagine it has something it can do to earn salvation. That's the basis for every other religion in the world.
That the 4th commandment came to an end at the cross. I'm a Sabbath keeper and we have discussed this for how many posts? One or two hundred, plus all the other posts of mine you've read.Which question is a silly question, in your view?
This isn't from the ten commandments, it's from Leviticus 23That the 4th commandment came to an end at the cross. I'm a Sabbath keeper and we have discussed this for how many posts? One or two hundred, plus all the other posts of mine you've read.
It is quoting the 4th commandment. I thought that was very obvious.This isn't from the ten commandments, it's from Leviticus 23
Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 23:3 - The Message
“Work six days. The seventh day is a Sabbath, a day of total and complete rest, a sacred assembly. Don’t do any work. Wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to GOD.www.biblegateway.com
Leviticus 23 talks about a required assembly on the seventh day. I don't think the fourth commandment talks about that, does it?It is quoting the 4th commandment. I thought that was very obvious.
You don't think spending time with God in worship is part of keeping the Sabbath day holy?Leviticus 23 talks about a required assembly on the seventh day. I don't think the fourth commandment talks about that, does it?
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