Did Abraham observe the Sabbath day?

[tonychanyt]

We do not need to be scholars to understand God's Word.

Right.

For me, when I debate with someone, I prefer a more scholarly style. See A Denomination-Free, Disciplined, Logical, and Probabilistic Approach to Biblical Hermeneutics

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Right.

For me, when I debate with someone, I prefer a more scholarly style. See A Denomination-Free, Disciplined, Logical, and Probabilistic Approach to Biblical Hermeneutics

For me, I care more about Biblical Truth than format. We are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17, not how well one can write.

 

[trophy33]

For me, I care more about Biblical Truth than format.

But there is no reason to ignore the format. Its nothing against the truth. And if it helps people to communicate, its required by our brotherly love. Ignoring that our posts are not intelligible to others means we do not try to respect them.

 

[tonychanyt]

For me, I care more about Biblical Truth than format.

Same here.

We are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17, not how well one can write.

Right.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

But there is no reason to ignore the format. Its nothing against the truth. And if it helps people to communicate, its required by our brotherly love.

There is no format that we are required by on the forums, other than to follow the forum rules. If you wish to format your posts to conform to this one poster that's your free will.

 

[trophy33]

There is no format that we are required by on the forums, other than to follow the forum rules.

You have been told manytimes by various people (me included) that your posts are not directly to what we write, that you use long spaghetti text, jump from place to place, copy&paste from some website, use flood of verses out of their context, do not want to focus on any of them for a while etc.

Its not about forum rules, but about if you actually respect your readers or just ignore them and sing your song anyway.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

None that keep the sabbath, but they are quite interested in learning more about the Word of God. When they’re ready, we’ll meet on the 7th day of the week, of course.

You know no Jews that keep Shabbat?!?!!? Seriously???

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You have been told manytimes by various people (me included) that your posts are not directly to what we write, that you use long spaghetti text, jump from place to place, copy&paste from some website, use flood of verses out of their context, do not want to focus on any of them for a while etc.

Its not about forum rules, but about if you actually respect your readers or just ignore them and sing your song anyway.

As per usual, pure conjecture. Take care.

 

[trophy33]

As per usual, pure subjection. Take care.

As usual, you do not care.

 

[tonychanyt]

There is no format that we are required by on the forums, other than to follow the forum rules. If you wish to format your posts to conform to this one poster that's your free will.

Right.

 

[notworthconsideration]

You know no Jews that keep Shabbat?!?!!? Seriously???

If I know them, they haven’t made the practice of their faith known to me. Those who have identified themselves as Jewish do so in reference to their DNA/family history.

But, i also know ‘Christians’ who don’t believe in the Holy Spirit.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If I know them, they haven’t made the practice of their faith known to me. Those who have identified themselves as Jewish do so in reference to their DNA/family history.

But, i also know ‘Christians’ who don’t believe in the Holy Spirit.

So they are not practicing Jews. You should go to a Shabbat dinner!

 

[ralliann]

For me, I care more about Biblical Truth than format. We are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17, not how well one can write.

So in other words you just know, because you know. So don't speak to me your biblical thoughts?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So in other words you just know, because you know. So don't speak to me your biblical thoughts?

I have outlined my thoughts in detail in this thread with scripture, you are reading the tail end of the thread. If you want to go back and read my posts and have any disagreement will be happy to have a discussion through scripture. The point I was making here we are sanctified by the Truth of God's Word, not how we format our posts.

 

[ralliann]

I have outlined my thoughts in detail in this thread with scripture, you are reading the tail end of the thread. If you want to go back and read my posts and have any disagreement will be happy to answer through scripture.

And the rest of us are also doing the same. The Sabbath command is to keep as a sign of one covenant, and it is not the new covenant, nor the covenant of circumcision. If other covenants commanded the 7th day Sabbath of Sinai, it would no longer be a sign of any covenant. Do you get the problem?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And the rest of us are also doing the same. The Sabbath command is to keep as a sign of one covenant, and it is not the new covenant, nor the covenant of circumcision. If other covenants commanded the 7th day Sabbath of Sinai, it would no longer be a sign of any covenant. Do you get the problem?

No, there is no problem to one of God's eternal commandments that God wrote and spoke. The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people, it does not say it's the sign of the covenant.


Exodus 31:13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

Eze 20:12 12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

The Sabbath is a special sign between God and His people that Jesus said was made for mankind Mark 2:27

I can only speak for myself, but I would like a special sign between me and God, and keeping the Sabbath shows we worship the one true God from Creation and only God can sanctify us, we cannot sanctify ourselves.

The invitation is for all.

Isiaah 56:6
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

The Sabbath is never called the Sabbath of the Jews, God deems it My holy day Isaiah 58:13 and we are made in His image to follow Him, not do our own thing. It's also a commandment of God and we should always obey Him through faith and love.

 

[ralliann]

No, there is no problem to one of God's eternal commandments that God wrote and spoke.

You say this...

The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people, it does not say it's the sign of the covenant.

Then deny it in the next breath.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Exodus 31:13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

Eze 20:12 12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

The Sabbath is a special sign between God and His people that Jesus said was made for mankind Mark 2:27

I can only speak for myself, but I would like a special sign between me and God, and keeping the Sabbath shows we worship the one true God from Creation and only God can sanctify us, we cannot sanctify ourselves.

The invitation is for all.

Isiaah 56:6
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

The Sabbath is never called the Sabbath of the Jews, God deems it My holy day Isaiah 58:13 and we are made in His image to follow Him, not do our own thing. It's also a commandment of God and we should always obey Him through faith and love.

Oh, his law is so holy to you every word of it, but you skipped the verse where it says it is a perpetual covenant. It is all the things you want, but ignore what you don't. Is that not what you guys say when it comes to the nine out of ten? But here you are skipping that it is a sign of the Sinai covenant.
The signs of covenants
Noah, rainbow
Abraham, circumcision
Sinai (Levi) the seventh day sabbath
New covenant (Christ) the resurrection.
We do have a Sabbath in the new.
It's the REST we enter into in our eternal heavenly inheritance.
(foreshadowed in Joshua in bring them into that rest)

Jos 22:4 And now the LORD your God hath given rest unto your brethren, as he promised them: therefore now return ye, and get you unto your tents, and unto the land of your possession, which Moses the servant of the LORD gave you on the other side Jordan.
Absolutely the earthly shadow fulfilled......
Jos 23:14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.

What is that rest in a shadow?

Jos 23:1 And it came to pass a long time after that the LORD had given rest unto Israel from all their enemies round about, that Joshua waxed old and stricken in age.


The heavenly rest foretold in David is another day.....
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You say this...

Then deny it in the next breath.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

What is a covenant? It is an agreement. The Sabbath is a perpetual agreement between God and His people as we see His Sabbath continues for eternity....Isaiah 66:22-23

What it doesn't say is the Sabbath is a sign of the agreement,.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.


Oh, his law is so holy to you every word of it, but you skipped the verse where it says it is a perpetual covenant.

I agree its a perpetual covenant and we see that happening in God's Word, the Sabbath remains for the people of God Hebrews 4:9 NIV

Isaiah 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

But here you are skipping that it is a sign of the Sinai covenant.

It just doesn't say that and you have provided no scripture that says the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant. God said it is a sign between Him and His people.


Exodus 31:13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

Eze 20:12 12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

 

[ralliann]

What is a covenant? It is an agreement. The Sabbath is a perpetual agreement between God and His people as we see His Sabbath continues for eternity....Isaiah 66:22-23

What it doesn't say is the Sabbath is a sign of the agreement,.



I agree its a perpetual covenant and we see that happening in God's Word, the Sabbath remains for the people of God Hebrews 4:9 NIV

Isaiah 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

It just doesn't say that and you have provided no scripture that says the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant. God said it is a sign between Him and His people.


Exodus 31:13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

Eze 20:12 12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Finish reading my post please I addressed that. According to this.
Moses long after the Sinai "REST" of the Sabbath was given and enforced says this very plainly

De 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.

It is a REST by inheritance.
Go finish my post.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Finish reading my post please I addressed that. According to this.
Moses long after the Sinai "REST" of the Sabbath was given and enforced says this very plainly

De 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.

It is a REST by inheritance.
Go finish my post.

You edited it after I already posted to you, I typically do not check for edits after I have posted.

Sorry I have no idea the point you are trying to make here. Every time we see the word rest, it doesn't mean its the Sabbath. The rest in Duet 4:9 is not connected to the Sabbath commandment. What point are you trying to make?

In Christ rest there is no disobedience/rebellion to Him, including disobeying the Sabbath commandment.

In Christ there is just peace because there is no transgression against His commandments.

Isaiah 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.