Did Abraham observe the Sabbath day?

[SabbathBlessings]

SabbathBlessings, we're about to have good fellowship. I'll respond some.

Now I think we need to proceed with caution. Sometimes Jesus went out of His way to break the Sabbath intentionally.
He did set that example when He drew attention to the fact that HE Himself was the real rest all must come to.

If Jesus broke the Sabbath and sinned then He could not be our Savior Hebrews 4:15 and we all would be lost. This is a very sad teaching that basically crucifies Jesus all over again. Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath by the Pharisees, He was also accused that God was not His Father. Neither accusation were true. Jesus in His own Words said He kept His Father’s commandments John 15:10 and is sinless 1 Peter 2:22. Sin is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4 and points right to the Ten Romans 7:7. Jesus came to save us from sin Matthew 1:21, not in them. This is what Jesus says about His accusers….

John 8:46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

Come to Me all who toil and are burdened, and I will give you rest. (Matt. 11:28)
You may sit at home on the couch on Saturday all you want.
But if you are not with the Lord Jesus you still will not have true rest.

Just curious how you would know what I do on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is not about being lazy, it is about resting in Him through his Word and through His Spirit, it is having communion with God on the day He set aside and sanctified for holy use, because we cannot sanctify ourselves. Eze 20:13 You do not know me, so it would be really difficult for you to know my relationship with Jesus Christ or how I keep God’s holy Sabbath day. I am beginning to see a picture emerge that we are going to be too far to have any kind of responsible or meaningful discussion, people who make assumptions can be difficult to reason with.

In God’s rest there is no rebellion to what He asks. Isaiah 48:18. which is why God pleas with us to not harden our hearts to Him in rebellion. Hebrews 3:7-8, Hebrews 3:15, Psalms 95:7-8

I point to Christ Himself as the reality of the Sabbath. True rest is Jesus Christ enjoyed moment to moment.

There is no scripture that say Jesus turned into a day a commandment or is rest. Jesus is the Creator of all things, not the creation. Jesus did not give Himself a commandment - the commandment is for us to keep the Sabbath day holy Exodus 20:8 , which is the seventh day Exodus 20:10 all other days. God deemed for us to do work and labor. Exodus 20:9

When Jesus said His disciples dare not annul even the least of these commandments, I think He was speaking more of the moral side than on the ritual side. He set an example of sometimes deliberately ignoring the ritual of keeping the Sabbath.

Jesus said not to break the least of the commandments or to teach others and it came with a warning and is quoting for the Ten Commandments. Matthew 5:19-30. Nothing you said is in scripture.

He who regards that day, regards it to the Lord; and he who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who does not eat, does not eat to the Lord, and he gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none dies to himself;

Another scripture that has nothing to do with doing away with the Sabbath commandment.

I have no desire to correct the Apostle Paul by saying "No Paul, you don't understand. The Lord commanded all His disciples to rest on Saturday."

I think you err here. Paul IS talking about the written ordinances of the Law.
Wiping out the handwriting in ordinances, which was against us, which was contrary to us; and He has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross. (v.14 RcV)

An ordinance is not a commandments Neh 9:13 , handwritten is not finger written and contrary is not the definition of holy and blessed. Col 2:14-17 KJV is not referring to the weekly Sabbath commandment, but the annual sabbath(s) ordinance (feast days) Exodus 12:43 which pointed to Jesus 1 Cor 5:7 Hebrews 10:1-10. The weekly Sabbath was kept long after the cross just as Jesus excepted for His people Matthew 24:20, Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44, Acts 18:4 and will be kept for eternity Isaiah 66:22-23 so obviously Col 2:14-17 KJV its not referring to one of the commandments God personally wrote and personally spoke and said for us to Remember and is in His Most Holy Temple in heaven Rev 11:19

Anyway, I am going to leave it as agree to disagree. I wish you well in seeking Truth to God’s Word. Take care.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

How does one properly “observe the weekly ‘Saturday’ Sabbath?”
How does God require we fulfill this observance?

One observes Tuesday Sabbath while feeding homeless people from his own money;
Another observes Saturday Sabbath but spends it feeling superior to the Tuesday guy who is obviously a sinner deserving judgment.

Who observed Sabbath?

Scripture tells us…. I would let Jesus judge the heart, He is the only one that knows our every thought, no one can deceive Him. Obeying God the way He asks has nothing to do with being superior and we all should humble ourselves to serve Him the way He asks.

Isaiah 58:13
“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

The Sabbath is about spending time with God a full day dedicated to honoring Him and being in communion with Him on the day God set aside sactified for holy use because we cannot sanctify ourselves Eze 20:12. Examples of keeping the Sabbath from scriptures include going to church Lev 23:3, Luke 4:16-30, Acts 18:4 reading scripture Acts 13:27, prayer Acts 16:13, preaching the Word of God Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 reasoning with the scriptures Acts 17:2. The scriptures are filled with ways to honor God on His holy and blessed day.

 

[notworthconsideration]

Scripture tells us…. I would let Jesus judge the heart, He is the only one that knows our every thought, no one can deceive Him. Obeying God the way He asks has nothing to do with being superior and we all should humble ourselves to serve Him the way He asks.

Isaiah 58:13
“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

The Sabbath is about spending time with God a full day dedicated to honoring Him and being in communion with Him on the day God set aside sactified for holy use because we cannot sanctify ourselves Eze 20:12. Examples of keeping the Sabbath from scriptures include going to church Lev 23:3, Luke 4:16-30, Acts 18:4 reading scripture Acts 13:27, prayer Acts 16:13, preaching the Word of God Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 reasoning with the scriptures Acts 17:2. The scriptures are filled with ways to honor God on His holy and blessed day.

Still never met anyone who keeps the sabbath. I know what scripture says- I was asking for a personal perspective.
Anyone can find scripture, but when a person can’t share with another believer a personal account, I really don’t find it too convincing. I think it’s a lot of talk

Scripture tells us…. I would let Jesus judge the heart, He is the only one that knows our every thought, no one can deceive Him. Obeying God the way He asks has nothing to do with being superior and we all should humble ourselves to serve Him the way He asks.

Isaiah 58:13
“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

The Sabbath is about spending time with God a full day dedicated to honoring Him and being in communion with Him on the day God set aside sactified for holy use because we cannot sanctify ourselves Eze 20:12. Examples of keeping the Sabbath from scriptures include going to church Lev 23:3, Luke 4:16-30, Acts 18:4 reading scripture Acts 13:27, prayer Acts 16:13, preaching the Word of God Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 reasoning with the scriptures Acts 17:2. The scriptures are filled with ways to honor God on His holy and blessed day.

So, you’re saying that if I were to sincerely accomplish all these things, but on a Tuesday, God will reject the time He spent with me?

Or, are you saying God will refuse to meet with us any other day?

btw, Leviticus does not mention church attendance…as you stated.

I spend multiple days a week with God, and He’s never seemed bothered by my spending time with Him any day of the week. The point is, when I commune with God, I know what I’m doing, why I’m doing it, & who I’m doing it with…

I don’t worship God inside church buildings nor with people whose spirits I can’t test. I invite Him to my portion of His temple and we commune in the Spirit… I don’t know anyone else that actually meets with God— on any day of the week. If that’s wrong, why hasn’t He let me know? Why do people always tell me I’m worshiping wrong, but God and I are still together?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Well, the blood prohibition is a law, and the consequences for murder is as well, though the latter is written as a consequence and not a law. Regardless, the Mosaic law had 10 basic statutes and hundreds of minor institutional laws on the side. So I know what a law is, but a complete set of statutes, Genesis 9 is not.

The so-called Noahide laws are not in the Bible, they are derived by rabbis from the actions of the early patriarchs.

and again you would be wrong. Your first response was that there were none and now you say there are...

 

[ozso]

Since the Bible doesn't say he did, people who want him to have observed it, come up with round about complicated attempts to try making the Bible say what it doesn't really say.

Now if you had asked did Abraham practice circumcision, you wouldn't have gotten long convoluted answers.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Still never met anyone who keeps the sabbath.

I know lots of people who keep the Sabbath, I guess its about who we surround ourselves with.

I know what scripture says- I was asking for a personal perspective.

Sabbath is about communion with God, on the day God sanctified for holy use, because we cannot sanctify ourselves Eze 20:12

Anyone can find scripture, but when a person can’t share with another believer a personal account, I really don’t find it too convincing. I think it’s a lot of talk

Should we not let God be the One to judge as He is the only one who can read the heart? We will not be able to deceive Him in any way, He knows our every thought

So, you’re saying that if I were to sincerely accomplish all these things, but on a Tuesday, God will reject the time He spent with me?

God told Adam and Eve they could eat from all the trees except one. Because of their disobedience they were separated from God. God cared about a tree, He cares about His holy Sabbath day, that is a commandment He personally wrote and spoke and said Remember . God is particular and He gave specific instructions.

Exodus 20:8 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Or, are you saying God will refuse to meet with us any other day?

Never stated that or implied. We should worship God daily, but not every day is the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a full 24 hours of rest and worship. If every day was the Sabbath nothing would get done. God said to work six day Exodus 20:9 and only asks for one full day every seventh day. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13

btw, Leviticus does not mention church attendance…as you stated.

Lev 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Which means a holy assembly - coming together as we see in Church.

I spend multiple days a week with God, and He’s never seemed bothered by my spending time with Him any day of the week. The point is, when I commune with God, I know what I’m doing, why I’m doing it, & who I’m doing it with…

Should we worship God on His terms or ours?

I don’t worship God inside church buildings nor with people whose spirits I can’t test. I invite Him to my portion of His temple and we commune in the Spirit… I don’t know anyone else that actually meets with God— on any day of the week. If that’s wrong, why hasn’t He let me know? Why do people always tell me I’m worshiping wrong, but God and I are still together?

God speaks to us through His Word, which is to be a light to our path Psalms 119:105 He lets everyone know if you read His Word, just not everyone listens.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Who observed Sabbath?

I forgot to answer this question.

God did at Creation…we were made in His image to follow Him. Gen 1:26

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God’s people observed the Sabbath…

Exodus 31:13
“Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

Jesus did

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark 2:27

Jesus follower’s kept the Sabbath

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

The apotles:
Acts 18:4And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

God calls everyone

Isaiah 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Which is why the Sabbath remains for the people of God and the word rest in this scripture literally translates into Sabbath-keeping.

Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

All flesh in heaven (the saints) will be keeping the Sabbath.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Should we follow the crowd or follow Him?

 

[tonychanyt]

If Jesus broke the Sabbath and sinned then He could not be our Savior and we all would be lost.

See Did Jesus break the Sabbath? and follow up there

 

[SabbathBlessings]

See Did Jesus break the Sabbath? and follow up there

Not if we believe Jesus. John 8:46-47 John 15:10

 

[tonychanyt]

Not if we believe Jesus. John 8:46-47 John 15:10

Thanks for the verses. This is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Display and indent the quoted verse.
2. Bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making.
3. Be concise and to the point.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thanks for the verses. This is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Display and indent the quoted verse.
2. Bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making.
3. Be concise and to the point.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it.

People who teach the opposite of what Jesus teaches Matthew 5:19. I am not concerned of their assessment. My concern is what Jesus thinks, He is our only righteous Judge, This is an easy answer if Jesus sinned and should be a short one, if one were to believe Jesus over His accusers but here is a detailed post….I pray you will rethink your theology on this.

Did Jesus break the Sabbath?

From a human perspective, I think he did. Exodus 31: 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Did Jesus work on the Sabbath? Jesus admitted he did...

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[notworthconsideration]

I guess it’s about who we surround ourselves with.

Yeah, I suppose it is.

As I’ve mentioned, God is the only one I surround myself with… (& family)

He has shown to me and told me many wonderful things-

I refuse to deny what He’s given me for something people struggle to explain in their own words and of their own experience…

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yeah, I suppose it is.

As I’ve mentioned, God is the only one I surround myself with… (& family)

He has shown to me and told me many wonderful things-

I refuse to deny what He’s given me for something people struggle to explain in their own words and of their own experience…

I have no issues expressing how to keep the Sabbath in my own words, but its not different from what is in scripture, which I already posted because the Word of God is the light to our path Psalms 119:105

The Sabbath day is about spending time with God. I personally do this by going to church and being in fellowship with other Christians. I spend the rest of my day in prayer and bible studies, reading Gods Word and watching sermons learning more about God's Word. I also spend time reasoning with other people on the scriptures and spend time in nature appreciating all of God's creation that He made for us.

There are many gods in this world, but the Sabbath brings us back to the one true God of Creation as it is a memorial of everything He has made for us and without us. It is His redemptive power because we cannot sanctify ourselves. Eze 20:12

 

[notworthconsideration]

I have no issues expressing how to keep the Sabbath in my own words, but its not different from what is in scripture, which I already posted because the Word of God is the light to our path Psalms 119:105

The Sabbath day is about spending time with God. I personally do this by going to church and being in fellowship with other Christians. I spend the rest of my day in prayer and bible studies, reading Gods Word and watching sermons learning more about God's Word. I also spend time reasoning with other people on the scriptures and spend time in nature appreciating all of God's creation that He made for us.

There are many gods in this world, but the Sabbath brings us back to the one true God of Creation as it is a memorial of everything He has made for us and without us. It is His redemptive power because we cannot sanctify ourselves. Eze 20:12

An answer! Thank you. You are the first person in many years who has actually ‘given an account for the hope that is in you’ when asked. I may or may not agree with your theology, but that’s irrelevant to me. What a person speaks from their heart, that’s how God sees us…

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Still never met anyone who keeps the sabbath.

You don't know any Jews?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

An answer! Thank you. You are the first person in many years who has actually ‘given an account for the hope that is in you’ when asked. I may or may not agree with your theology, but that’s irrelevant to me. What a person speaks from their heart, that’s how God sees us…

Pray about it, God will answer you if we allow Him to lead and study this subject in God's Word. The Sabbath is meant to be a blessing for all. Isaiah 58:13-14

God bless!

 

[tonychanyt]

I pray you will rethink your theology on this.

I may if you follow the standard scholarship in your communication.

 

[notworthconsideration]

You don't know any Jews?

None that keep the sabbath, but they are quite interested in learning more about the Word of God. When they’re ready, we’ll meet on the 7th day of the week, of course.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I may if you follow the standard scholarship in your communication.

We do not need to be scholars to understand God's Word. The Holy Spirit will teach us God's Word John 14:26 for anyone who seeks Him with a humble heart.

The scholars of Jesus day missed the mark on His Word, so being a scholar does not mean one is necessarily teaching God's Truth.

 

[ralliann]

I don't think so. Moses gave the Sabbath to the Israelites. Nehemiah 9:

14 You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses.​

Deuteronomy 5:

1 Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them. 2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.​

Moses then proceeded to quote the 10 commandments,

12 “‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 13Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.​

The LORD did not command the Egyptians to keep the Sabbath Day. The Lord commanded the Israelites to keep the Sabbath because he brought them out of Egypt.

I don't think Abraham knew about God forbidding child sacrifice either.

Your post pretty much says it all. It is the sign of the sinai covenant

Ex 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Which Deut 5 makes clear was not made with their fathers.

The sign of the covenant made with The fathers was circumcision.

Therefore the commandments of the covenant can be applicable to the fathers.. One however being peculiar as sign of that particular covenant.

Ro 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Of course we know the law did not Abolish the covenant promises to Abraham, as the circumcision was the sign they also kept.