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Did a traumatic experience make you unchurched?

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Lismore,

I am confused. Is that a picture of you in your avatar? Are you wearing a collar?

by your post, does this mean you are not a priest? Or just one that doesn't want to be giving sermons all the time?

just being nosey-- ignore me if you want to.

Jane
 
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Hisrosebud said:
Lismore,

I am confused. Is that a picture of you in your avatar? Are you wearing a collar?

by your post, does this mean you are not a priest? Or just one that doesn't want to be giving sermons all the time?

just being nosey-- ignore me if you want to.

Jane

Hi Jane:wave:

No its not me!

Its a priest on TV called Dougal:)
 
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oopsie daisy.....LOL and LOL

sorry. Is he on a show in England or here in the states too??


Shows you how much I know. We don't watch too much tv here because I am chasing after two preschoolers, a seventeen year old boy--keeping a garden growing; a house clean (um, sort of) and all the busy ness of everyone's schedules. (track meets, gymnastics, swimming lessons.)

Sorry...

Jane
 
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Hisrosebud said:
oopsie daisy.....LOL and LOL

sorry. Is he on a show in England or here in the states too??


Shows you how much I know. We don't watch too much tv here because I am chasing after two preschoolers, a seventeen year old boy--keeping a garden growing; a house clean (um, sort of) and all the busy ness of everyone's schedules. (track meets, gymnastics, swimming lessons.)

Sorry...

Jane

Hi there:wave:

Its an Irish TV programme actually, about three priests in a parish in Ireland.

Dont worry about missing TV- most of it isnt worth watching. I only watch a couple of programmes a week.

:)
 
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Yes,

After my husband filed for divorce and cheated I was angry with God thinking if I attened church nothing bad would happen..I was so young then too

I now think and God never wastes a HURT and we all become stronger from it.. Like it is a way God chooses to bring us closer to him..

I have often been told we struggle for the Glory fo God..


I am back and have a stronger relationship with God because of all I have been through:amen:
 
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wow... I don't know what to say... my heart aches after reading all of these stories...

I myself was born (again) "out of church", a few christians in my town really had God's heart for me and they taught and taught and taught.... all I can do is praise him...

I know that a few of them were hurt by their church, and others still go to church and love it...

but I live in the "church" I get to fellowship/learn/teach/minister everyday (that is, if I want to leave the house :)), in my free time and at work, I go to services every now and again, I know and can speek to most of the offical leadership in my town, but somthing (mabye God, or mabye me) is keeping me from staying at one place, but I have a strong sence of community though I don't attend one church or denomination...

I guess I have had blind eyes to some of the crazy stuff that goes on in the name of Christ...

Sincerealy Baffeled,
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discernomatic said:
I recently had a traumatic experience that kept me out of a church when I thought I finally had "come home" after many years of being away from them. Have you had one? If it is not fit to print here because of the restrictions you may send it to me via my website. Just click on my profile and then the site link. I will definitely handle it discreetly. If you want it posted on my site anonymously, I will consider posting it. I have some links to organizations that help in such matters but am looking for more. If you can help me in that way (you will be helping others as well), please send me a mail.

This is from a post I wrote right after this happened. Ever since then, my family has not been able to find a church. We have been away from church for about 3 months or more. We are so tired of the "church search". Anyway, here it is:
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WARNING - LONG STORY - BUT WOULD LIKE INPUT

This is something I can't just keep bottled up. I have to share and get some feedback from others. This has never happened to me and I'm very disturbed by it. Let me start from the beginning.

A few months ago, my family moved back to a city we lived in 3 or so years prior. When we lived here before, we were never able to find a church to call home. We decided to visit a church back in Jan after trying two others and we liked this one enough to go again and again. We had a list of churches we wanted to try and we had reviewed websites, emailed the pastors, etc prior to making the list.

Well, we ended up going to this church we visited for about 2 months. I sort of started a dialogue with the pastor via email and began asking doctrinal questions and advice on scriptures and more in depth information about his sermons to grow on and further study.

The church began mentioning membership and we took the form to fill it out. My wife and I started praying about it and discussing our thoughts and feelings with each other. I emailed the pastor and explained we had the form, but I was concerned that we had not attended the church long enough to consider membership. He said, no, don't worry about that, we want you as a member. My wife and I kept coming back to the thought that there was this one church we had always wanted to visit and never did because of going to the other regularly. We decided that in order to be sure this current church was for us, we needed to finish out the list and try the last church we had intended to try anyway. We needed to be sure about the membership. We liked the current church, the people, the pastor, but we take membership very seriously. The church lacked some things we felt would enhance our walk with God, but we were willing to follow God wherever he leads us.

So, out of respect for the pastor and the church that we had grown fond of, I notified the pastor that we wanted to make sure we were making the right decision and that we were going to try this other church before applying for membership at his church. The response was not what we expected. We were told to pick one or the other and stay put.

After we visited the other church, we realy loved it. It had everything the current church had, but also had some of the things that were lacking. We decided we had better not apply for membership and that we needed to begin attending at the new church. I informed the pastor of this, again out of respect to him, not that we were members or needed to explain ourselves to anyone. His response was fine, but stay there.

It kept eating at me, so I finally emailed him and told him I was really bothered by his response and wanted to ensure I had not offended him by not joining his church. I told him the things we loved about his church and the things that his church didn't have that we were looking for. I wanted to make sure I was leading my family where God wanted us to be.

I received the most rude, unchristian response I have ever heard from a pastor. He begins to tell me that I have offended him, that I don't know scripture and that I'm full of myself. How dare I offer any type of criticism or evaluation of his church, I'm not a consulatant and I do not know scripture of their church. He accused me of being a church hopper. He tells me I need a mentor to get in my face and bring me down a notch, I should be listening and not advising anyone and basically that I'm a big piece of dirt that he wishes he had never met me. He said it is people like me that frustrate the leadership of a church after pastoring a person who then leaves their church. Almost as if, you had better attend his church for life if he is going to waste his time with you.

It would appear if you do not have a Doctorate in Divinity, then you cannot have an opinion about anything with this guy either. The kicker is this, he is buddies with the associate pastor at the church we tried and liked. He is going to share with him some thoughts about me and my family. Basically, warn them about us and that we will go there 2 months and leave, so don't waste their time with us. Which is odd because he knew from the beginning that we were looking/searching for the church God was going to lead us to. We never committed to his church and even if we had, God leads people away from churches and to others everyday. I'm very concerned about this. This is going to give the new church a wrong pre-conceived notion about us.

I'm very confused and hurt by all of this. This was a man that I trusted and looked up to. I feel like he is personally mad at us for not joining his church. I explained the reasons for us not feeling at home there, but all he did was attack me and degrade me and my knowledge of scripture. Now, he is going to share his dislike for me with the new church's leadership. This is going to hinder my family in their walk with God, growing, and all around comfort zone at the new church.

Sorry for the long message, but I had to get this out. It is effecting my whole family. My wife had intended on staying in her Thursday morning ladies bible study at this church since she had been going for 4 weeks, but she feels really uncomfortable at the church now. The pastor's wife is in her group and he is there during the day and she sees him when she is there.
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Well, there it is. We did not end up at the new church either. The leadership there got wind of the story and the rest is history. We've been without church ever since.

God Bless!
 
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Don't worry about it DiscipleofIAm. You're better off not attending clubs that are masquerading as God's called-out Assemblies anyway. You'd do much better just leading your family into the Word of God and prayer and worship yourself. Maybe find a few families that would like to meet together in the Holy Spirit and serve God. You'll learn a hundred times more Word and you'll have the Peace of God in your life. These synagogues of the Enemy are just leading people into ignorance and bondage anyway. If you'll hear it, God is already leading you.....OUT.....just like the Word says.
 
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StevenL said:
Don't worry about it DiscipleofIAm. You're better off not attending clubs that are masquerading as God's called-out Assemblies anyway. You'd do much better just leading your family into the Word of God and prayer and worship yourself. Maybe find a few families that would like to meet together in the Holy Spirit and serve God. You'll learn a hundred times more Word and you'll have the Peace of God in your life. These synagogues of the Enemy are just leading people into ignorance and bondage anyway. If you'll hear it, God is already leading you.....OUT.....just like the Word says.


Thank you for the words of encouragement. This is actually the first I have ever heard of "home church".

It's funny because yesterday we were trying to decide on a church to go to and we couldn't, so like always, we didn't go at all. I told my wife, "I'm done with church shopping. We're going to just have church at home with us and the kids and that will be all we need." Then, today, I see this forum. I usually frequent the Baptist forum and have not noticed this before.

She isn't too keen on the idea, but maybe God is trying to tell me something?

Thanks again!
 
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DiscipleOfIAm said:
Thank you for the words of encouragement. This is actually the first I have ever heard of "home church".

God bless you brother. Get deep in that Word and seek God. He'll show you what to do. Feeding on the Word will keep you from backsliding **if** you read it with a view to obeying it. Show your wife the power of God and she'll fall in line with you. My heart is with you, man. Be filled with the Spirit.
 
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I guess I'm very,very lucky because my entire Church decided to become "unchurched" together in the community....

It's the idea of deliberately deconstructing Church so that it becomes BOTTOM-UP rather than TOP-DOWN, the idea being that we are all priests and therefore discipleship should be a community thing:: including non-Christian's.

Also, that without any 'physical' meetings and so on, we can be reabsorbed into our communities and actually rely on them - rather than serving them in order to be a good example to convert them, or at worst, to ignore our communities and leave it to the Evangelism Team... our Church is in the process of emerging - may take decades - but we have thrown ourselves into our local communities in order to genuinely learn and engage with them... I realise we risk loosing our distinctiveness as Christian's - but that is also the point... if our distinctiveness is truly important and essential, we will - and do - work out ways to facsilitate discipleship, accountability, money-sharing, all the usuall Church-stuff, despite shooting ourselves in the metaphorical foot...

If anyone out there understands this - and I express this because I am living it, not because it's a nice philosophical idea - do PM me. Of course, after all this, we could end up back with Sunday meetings, guitars and Bible-groups, but as long as I go through this emergence, I'm happy cause it's the right thing for us at the moment...



It's like The Three Little Pigs - The Sequel!!!

My experience is that the mainstream Church is like a house of bricks - which, of course, it is - where the little piggies hide from the wolf, while the wolf devours all the other little piggies outside the building.

While I have no wish to stick my head in the wolves mouth, we just got bored in the brickhouse... then, lo and behold, we all decided to blow the house down and use the bricks to extend the buildings around us, and bash the occasional wolf.

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I think my retake of the 3 little pigs, kinda sums up what I'm on about; it is the very thing that is the percieved weakness of Emergent Church - dispersement - that is its strength and calling.

I do not advocate others to follow, I would like to know who else is following in their part of the globe - or who else gets this.

VIVA INTERDENDENCE !!!!
 
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When I was younger, I did not realize that everyone who attended Chruch did not do so for the "right" reasons. I let those people give me a bad image of Jesus/God. Also, I had failed to realized that the "money changers" were there in Jesus's day as well.

I had the expection of being taught (and still do..) by ministers rather than being preached at...(I did not realize I could ask questions and do research myself). See I thought I had to agree with everything---they advocated or opposed....Later I learned to take what I liked (enjoy it) and leave the rest (without feeling hypocritcal, or being confrontational) seeking God's guidance.

The church is not perfect and will never be...me either (that's why we NEED Jesus to begin with...
 
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DiscipleofIAm - Your story made me cry. That is definitely a scenario of everybody loses! You lose the chance to experience christian community with the body of Christ and they lose whatever gifting that God has given you and your wife to enhance the body.

Even though these two places have left a poor experience with you, do you have any other options for a church in your area? Perhaps God still has a surprise in store for you with something that you may have overlooked or not even tried in the first place.

Edit: Of course I forgot there was one more page of reading. I just had to respond quickly and forgot.

Funny about finding this part of the forum indeed! God does love to surprise us! (Even the times we don't recognize the surprise!)
 
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This is from a post I wrote right after this happened. Ever since then, my family has not been able to find a church. We have been away from church for about 3 months or more. We are so tired of the "church search". Anyway, here it is:

I'm sorry you had this experience. There's a lot I could say about it, but it most likely would lead nowhere, and then I would be making public statements about people, which perhaps, are better not said in public. Basically, what it all boils down to is, that your experience is typical. I mean that's what pastors are like. In order to deal with it, you have to come to that realization and learn to trust your conscience, the Bible, the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the counsel of other Christians who you know and trust.

I've been a Christian for 25 years. I can't think of even one conversation with a pastor that had any significance or value to me at all. In my personal experience, they can only answer questions on superficial matters, although at times they are willing to say that some situations are complex and need additional prayer (that's helpful--ain't it). I believe also, as a personal opinion based on my experiences, that the great majority of pastors have a facade, and not very far behind it, they are full of themselves and their own interests. That may sound like a broad statement, but it's just what I have experienced.

I became a part of the emergent church movement, due to studying Scripture, and realizing the cell unit was the biblical model of church structure, and the congregational and epsicapol models weren't in the Bible. However, I believe that the human traditions that are necessary to support these non-biblical models inherently lead to abuse and naturally lead to irrelevance and the pursuit of the self-interest of the leadership. I should mention, that I am professionally trained, and my experience includes seeing pastors very close up, being exposed to their initmate thoughts on their ministries. I have to admit, for the most part I found them disgusting, and I was with a very broad range of professional pastors. However, the real reason I went with the emergent church is, that it is what is found in Scripture, and it provides the most relevant manner of being a community.

Regards,

Paul
 
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Well I don't class myself as 'unchurched' as I have been baptised into his body by his Holy spirit. That will never change. I do, however, class myself as 'uninstitutionalised' and yes a bad experience did lead me to this position. Being brought up in a 'cult' does that to people I guess :)
 
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Godzchild said:
Being brought up in a 'cult' does that to people I guess :)

Not just being brought up in a 'cult'!!

Most people are put off by institutionalised Christianity, and those within the institution think this makes them ever righter!!!!!?

Go figure.
 
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