Denying Jesus

[BNR32FAN]

I quoted the versus I meant to quote. God’s law includes the Sabbath despite peoples enmity against it. It was a commandment in the OT Exo 20:8-11 and stayed that way in the NT Luke 23:56. Kept by everyone we are to follow Why its all throughout the whole bible from the beginning Gen 2:1-3 to the end Isa 66:23

You added a lot to my post which are your words and not mine.

You are the one who keeps isolating the Sabbath commandment, when God didn’t. It’s part of the Ten Commanemnts, that came in a unit of Ten, not nine or one. Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12

We are not saved by keeping any law, we are saved by faith through grace. Keeping God’s law is a consequence of salvation Rev 14:12 not a means to it. When Jesus comes all decisions will be made Rev 22:11

But you did make that same statement yesterday quoting Romans 6:16. Romans 8:7-8 doesn’t apply to the statement you associated it with.

If you love Me keep My commandments. John 14:15 do not break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 The Sabbath is a commandment of God, even in the NT Luke 23:56 never abrogated in scripture Only by man. God said Remember, man says forget. Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16

Jesus kept the Sabbath and is our example to follow 1 John 2:5-6

“Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬

Rom 8:7-8 whoever we obey is who we serve.

“because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Romans 8 is referring to people who are setting their mind on the flesh instead of the Spirit. Romans 6:16 is specifically about whom we are serving which is the exact same thing you posted yesterday.

And again quoting Isaiah 66:23 as evidence that were supposed to observe the sabbath when it specifically says from new moon to new moon and from sabbath to sabbath but you’ve already said that according to Colossians 2 that were not obligated to observe the new moon rituals. So as always you quote Isaiah 66:23 and ignore the part about worshipping from new moon to new moon but not the part about from sabbath to sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No one that writes here is claiming the Sabbath command WAS not Biblical. It WAS a command of the old covenant given to only one nation. It was never given to the Gentile nations and it certainly is not part of the new and better covenant ratified with Jesus Blood at Calvary.

If we are part of Abraham’s seed we are part of the promise, grafted in through faith Gal 3:26-29 Why the New Covenant is still made with Israel Heb 8:10 and part of the promises is to receive God’s sanctification Eze 20:12 because man can’t sanctify themselves we need God. Keeping the Sabbath shows we are in a covenant relationship with Him. Its a sign He is our God, we are His people Eze 20:20 that we worship the one true God, the only God who has the power to create heaven and earth Exo 20:11 and keeping the Sabbath is a memorial to God that we know who created us and where we came from. Exo 20:8-11 its why the other spirit attacks the Sabbath so much as it shows God’s authority Exo 20:11 which changes not Rev 14:7

 

[SabbathBlessings]

But you did make that same statement yesterday quoting Romans 6:16. Romans 8:7-8 doesn’t apply to the statement you associated it with.


“Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬


“because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Romans 8 is referring to people who are setting their mind on the flesh instead of the Spirit. Romans 6:16 is specifically about whom we are serving which is the exact same thing you posted yesterday.

And again quoting Isaiah 66:23 as evidence that were supposed to observe the sabbath when it specifically says from new moon to new moon and from sabbath to sabbath but you’ve already said that according to Colossians 2 that were not obligated to observe the new moon rituals. So as always you quote Isaiah 66:23 and ignore the part about worshipping from new moon to new moon but not the part about from sabbath to sabbath.

ThIs is what I said

as long as we don’t rebel against Him Rom 8:7-8

When we are hostile to God’s law, we are actually hostile to God and walking in the flesh. That’s what this verse means. When we are in the flesh we can’t obey or please Him


Rom 8:7 Because the [a]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If we are part of Abraham’s seed we are part of the promise, grafted in through faith Gal 3:26-29 Why the New Covenant is still made with Israel Heb 8:10 and part of the promises is to receive God’s sanctification Eze 20:12 because man can’t sanctify themselves we need God. Keeping the Sabbath shows we are in a covenant relationship with Him. Its a sign He is our God, we are His people Eze 20:20 that we worship the one true God, the only God who has the power to create heaven and earth Exo 20:11 and keeping the Sabbath is a memorial to God that we know who created us and where we came from. Exo 20:8-11 its why the other spirit attacks the Sabbath so much as it shows God’s authority Exo 20:11 which changes not Rev 14:7

Except for the fact that I’m one of millions of young earth creationists who defend the idea that God created the earth in 6 literal days 6,000 years ago. So obviously this explanation you gave here is incorrect.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Except for the fact that I’m one of millions of young earth creationists who defend the idea that God created the earth in 6 literal days 6,000 years ago. So obviously this explanation you gave here is incorrect.

Literal creation reinforces the Sabbath and the scriptures.

 

[BNR32FAN]

ThIs is what I said



When we are hostile to God’s law, we are actually hostile to God and walking in the flesh. That’s what this verse means. When we are in the flesh we can’t obey or please Him


Rom 8:7 Because the [a]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

But you quoted Romans 6:16 yesterday saying that if we don’t observe the sabbath we are serving satan which Paul says in verse 16 results in death as opposed to eternal life. All I’m saying is that you should be careful not to teach observing the sabbath as a requirement for salvation. I’m not accusing you of doing this I’m merely pointing out the problem with quoting this particular verse on this particular subject so that you will not be in danger of preaching justification by works of the law.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Literal creation reinforces the Sabbath and the scriptures.

But obviously refuting the observance of the sabbath is not the result of denying the Creator or the biblical creation process which is what your statement said.

 

[Bob S]

I quoted the verse I meant to quote. God’s law includes the Sabbath despite peoples enmity against it. It was a commandment in the OT Exo 20:8-11 and stayed that way in the NT Luke 23:56. Kept by everyone we are to follow. Why its all throughout the whole bible from the beginning Gen 2:1-3 to the end Isa 66:23. It’s not God’s will we profane His Sabbath, but mans will. How many thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath does one have to reject to come to the conclusion we don’t need to keep the Sabbath commandment. A lot.

The Good News had yet to be proclaimed. Read Gal 3.

You added a lot to my post which are your words and not mine.

You are the one who keeps isolating the Sabbath commandment, when God didn’t. It’s part of the Ten Commanemnts, that came in a unit of Ten, not nine or one. Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12

We are not saved by keeping any law, we are saved by faith through grace.

Amen! If this is what you really believe then I will take back my previous post. The trouble is I don't believe you. What I believe you believe is unless we keep the Sabbath we will be lost. That is salvation by works of the old covenant commands.

Keeping God’s law is a consequence of salvation Rev 14:12 not a means to it. When Jesus comes all decisions will be made Rev 22:11. It’s not too late to obey God the way He asks today, but life is short, why God calls us out of our rebellion Heb 3:7-8 before its too late Rev 18:4 but will we listen.

Read Gal 3. You know where Paul calls the Galatians foolish. Why did he call them foolish? It was because some infiltrated the Galatians, after Paul had taught them the truth, and started teaching that they had to keep the Laws of the old covenant. In verse 19 Paul tells us: 19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. How will you explain away that verse?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

But obviously refuting the observance of the sabbath is not the result of denying the Creator or the biblical creation process which is what your statement said.

The Sabbath points to our Creator Exo 8:11 obeying Him shows we are serving the One True God. Obeying something in its place to what He commands shows we serve another Rom 6:16

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Good News had yet to be proclaimed. Read Gal 3.

Amen! If this is what you really believe then I will take back my previous post. The trouble is I don't believe you. What I believe you believe is unless we keep the Sabbath we will be lost. That is salvation by works of the old covenant commands.


Read Gal 3. You know where Paul calls the Galatians foolish. Why did he call them foolish? It was because some infiltrated the Galatians, after Paul had taught them the truth, and started teaching that they had to keep the Laws of the old covenant. In verse 19 Paul tells us: 19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. How will you explain away that verse?

Too many out of context scriptures for me to sort through. Not interested in going down this path w you again but thanks anyway

 

[SabbathBlessings]

But you quoted Romans 6:16 yesterday saying that if we don’t observe the sabbath we are serving satan which Paul says in verse 16 results in death as opposed to eternal life. All I’m saying is that you should be careful not to teach observing the sabbath as a requirement for salvation. I’m not accusing you of doing this I’m merely pointing out the problem with quoting this particular verse on this particular subject so that you will not be in danger of preaching justification by works of the law.

Out of context to what I said I guess which is why you only quoted you.

There is no scripture that says we can disobey God without a heartfelt repentance and a change of direction and live. The Sabbath commandment is not on an island. God did not pluck out the 4th commandment from the Ten the way man has. God puts it as the same unit as only worshipping Him or not murdering someone. Breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12

Keeping the Sabbath or obeying God is not our work it’s God’s Exo 32:26 Our works are when we keep our own laws in place of God’s and try to pretend we are serving God. I have stated more than once we are not saved by obedience to God that’s an act of love and faith and a consequence of salvation, not a means to it. We are saved by grace through faith. It’s Gods gift to give or not.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Sabbath points to our Creator Exo 8:11 obeying Him shows we are serving the One True God. Obeying something in its place to what He commands shows we serve another Rom 6:16

Colossians 2:16 was written by an apostle appointed by Christ Himself. As I’ve already demonstrated there were several laws that were abolished in the New Covenant. Circumcision, dietary laws, burnt offerings, new moon rituals and Sabbath days just to name a few. You have no problems at all with disobeying these other commandments, except for the dietary laws, because you agree that they are no longer in effect. So this isn’t a matter of disobedience it’s a matter of interpretation. Paul specifically said that no one is to judge us for not observing a sabbath day. He made no exceptions for which sabbath day.

So let’s just cut right to the root of the problem here. Is keeping the sabbath required for salvation?

 

[DamianWarS]

I am viewing what the whole bible hangs on. Love to God, love to man which does not go undefined in scripture- why its God’s perfect law that converts the soul Psa 19:7 written by the finger of God. Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 Until one understands the significance of the Ten Commandments and how far of reach they go, will never understand the character of God or how to form in His image through His Spirit. If we are constantly fighting against God’s law- they way He wrote, well thats not really a good sign. Rom 8:7-8 whoever we obey is who we serve.

All gets sorted out soon enough. Take care.

You are conflating God commandments with the 10 commandments again and still without support. I get you have great value for them, but that desire alone does not turn them into something they are not.

You don't seem to care about the covenant relationship with Abraham. Compare Ex 34 (which affirms covenant language) with Gen 17. Which one is God's law? Which one is his words? Which ones are perfect and trust worthy? What about Gen 15 when God passes through the cut sacrifices seen as a blazing torch as the a covenant relationship akin with Gen 17. Is God's finger more important that his fire? Is it more holy? Gen 17 establishes an everlasting covenant explicitly with a focus on the flesh (no exceptions) Is the forever covenant of Ex 31:17 with the Sabbath more forever than the forever covenant of Gen 17:13 with circumsion? They are in fact the same Hebrew word used.

My point is not to rank covenants but to show they are all of God, all his words, are holy and all perfect and worthy of Ps 19:7 and all with purpose. Why is it you don't value these extraordinary covenant events with very expiclt worlding to keep them but you value the 10 commandments?

circumsion and the Sabbath can still be kept but the value is not through a physical analog as its requirement to receive their promises.

 

[DamianWarS]

The Sabbath commandment is not on an island. God did not pluck out the 4th commandment the way man has. Breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12

But it's ok that the 10 are on an island and plucked out of law? That it's ok to ignore every other commandment when considering James 2:10-12?

 

[BNR32FAN]

But it's ok that the 10 are on an island and plucked out of law? That it's ok to ignore every other commandment when considering James 2:10-12?

Exactly. Every time the word “commandments” is used either in the new or the Old Testament they pretend that it only refers to the 10 given in Exodus 20. Even when they quoted Deuteronomy 30 yesterday they act like the commandments God was referring to was only the 10 commandments and not ALL of His commandments. They’ll say that Jesus said not of jot of the law will disappear and I’ve given several examples of laws that have disappeared. It’s because He said they wouldn’t disappear until it was fulfilled which happened when He fulfilled the law in it’s entirety by being the only man who kept the law in its entirety.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

But it's ok that the 10 are on an island and plucked out of law? That it's ok to ignore every other commandment when considering James 2:10-12

What number do you see? You seem to be disagreeing with the Text.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

How many laws were placed inside the ark of the covenant written by the finger of God? Not all the laws He added no more to the Ten, so yes God separated them from all other laws. Your grievance is not with me.

What law did thou shalt not murder and thou shalt not commit adultery that James quoted and contrasted come from?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Colossians 2:16 was written by an apostle appointed by Christ Himself. As I’ve already demonstrated there were several laws that were abolished in the New Covenant. Circumcision, dietary laws, burnt offerings, new moon rituals and Sabbath days just to name a few. You have no problems at all with disobeying these other commandments, except for the dietary laws, because you agree that they are no longer in effect. So this isn’t a matter of disobedience it’s a matter of interpretation. Paul specifically said that no one is to judge us for not observing a sabbath day. He made no exceptions for which sabbath day.

So let’s just cut right to the root of the problem here. Is keeping the sabbath required for salvation?

Paul has a warning about people twisting his teachings sadly to their own destruction 2 Pet 3:16. Col2:14 KJV explains the sabbaths he’s referring as there is more than one and he went out of his way to be sure the yearly sabbaths feast days wasn’t being confused with the weekly Sabbath commandment. Handwritten by Moses and against Deut 31:25-26 will never turn into written by the finger of God that is holy and blessed that only God can reverse Num 23:20 . Paul has no authority to countermand a commandment that was written by the finger of God used to bless and sanctify and made for man , when we don’t profane, nor would he hence why he and the other apostles faithfully kept every Sabbath preaching to Jew and Gentiles decades after the cross

But if one wants to take an out of context verse by Paul, that came with a stern warning over many thus saith the Lords we have free will.

Guess we will all find out soon enough.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Paul has a warning about people twisting his teachings sadly to their own destruction 2 Pet 3:16. Col 2:14 explains the sabbaths he’s referring as there is more than one and he went out of his way to be sure the yearly wasn’t being confused with the weekly. Handwritten by Moses and against will never turn into written by the finger of God that is holy and blessed that only God can reverse Num 23:20 . Paul has no authority to countermand a commandment that was written by the finger of God used to bless and sanctify man when we don’t profane nor would he hence why he and the other apostles faithfully kept every Sabbath preaching to Jew and Gentiles decades after the cross

Guess we will all find out soon enough.

Acts 15 demonstrates the authority the apostles were given by the Holy Spirit. If Paul said in Colossians 2:16 that we are not to be judged according to whether or not we observe a sabbath day then that statement was not made by his authority alone anymore than the apostles decision on the requirement of circumcision in Acts 15. The statement Paul made in Colossians 2:16 was every bit as inspired by the Holy Spirit as the statements made in Acts 15. You have no problem with Paul exercising this authority on the matter of new moon rituals or the other sabbath days, but Paul didn’t have the authority of his own apart from the Holy Spirit to abolish the new moon rituals or any of the other sabbath days any more than any other commandment of God apart from the authority given to him by the Holy Spirit. So it doesn’t make any sense at all for you to claim that Paul didn’t have the authority to make such a decision on his own when on his own he didn’t have the authority to abolish any of the rituals or sabbath days that God commanded.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Acts 15 demonstrates the authority the apostles were given by the Holy Spirit. If Paul said in Colossians 2:16 that we are not to be judged according to whether or not we observe a sabbath day then that statement was not made by his authority alone anymore than the apostles decision on the requirement of circumcision in Acts 15. The statement Paul made in Colossians 2:16 was every bit as inspired by the Holy Spirit as the statements made in Acts 15. You have no problem with Paul exercising this authority on the matter of new moon rituals or the other sabbath days, but Paul didn’t have the authority of his own apart from the Holy Spirit to abolish the new moon rituals or any of the other sabbath days any more than any other commandment of God apart from the authority given to him by the Holy Spirit. So it doesn’t make any sense at all for you to claim that Paul didn’t have the authority to make such a decision on his own when on his own he didn’t have the authority to abolish any of the rituals or sabbath days that God commanded.

Paul wasn’t referring to the Sabbath commandment as he made clear the law he was referring to handwritten ordinances written by Moses that were contrary and against Col 2:14 Deut 31:24-26 not the Ten Commandments that we all will by Judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 written by God Himself placed under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will be decided.

Paul doesn’t have authority over God, like he could remove something that started at Creation and is blessed by God that only God can reverse Num 23:20 but didn’t Mat 24:20 Isa 66:23 Pauls writings came with a warning and wouldn’t be there unless there was a good reason. Christ in His own Words said the Sabbath would be kept by His faithful decades after the Cross Mat 24:20 so obviously Col 2:14-16 is not about the Sabbath commandment. So should we believe Jesus or Paul who came w a dangerous warning on what people do to his words. Seems like an easy decision for me.

They were keeping every Sabbath in Acts Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 etc so obviously there is a misunderstanding in what Paul is teaching hence the warning.

The apostles were to preach the gospel not change God’s law which is why they taught what matters is keeping the commandments of Gods which of course includes the Sabbath commandment just the way God wrote it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Paul wasn’t referring to the Sabbath commandment as he made clear the law he was referring to handwritten ordinances written by Moses that were contrary and against

Obviously what you said here is NOT clear at all since 98% of all Christians disagree with you. What would’ve been clear is if he actually made a distinction between the Saturday sabbath and the other sabbath days. Now that would’ve been clear, but he made no such distinction. The only evidence you actually have is you simply saying nuh uh.