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Demonology

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by GoldenKingGaze, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. Crosstian

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    No, even further:

    [2] Nowhere is it stated in Scripture (KJB), even once, that any of 'the angelic hosts' can "be fruitful", reproduce, "bring forth abundantly" or "multiply", have "seed", bare or yield "fruit", "beget"; "increase", have "children", or even have "loins" to so much as "pis.seth against the wall" with, even though it is said in multiple places for this world's earthly, "terestrial", creatures ("upon the earth", "in the earth", "therein", etc):

    Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

    Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

    Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

    Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

    Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

    Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

    Gen 7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

    Gen 8:17 Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.

    Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

    Gen 9:7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.

    Gen_9:9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

    Gen 12:7 And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

    Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

    Gen 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

    Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

    Gen 26:22 And he removed from thence, and digged another well; and for that they strove not: and he called the name of it Rehoboth; and he said, For now the LORD hath made room for us, and we shall be fruitful in the land.

    Gen 28:3 And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people;

    Gen 30:2 And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?

    Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

    Gen 41:52 And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction.

    Gen 48:4 And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.

    Gen 49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:

    Exo 1:7 And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them.

    Exo_21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

    Lev 26:9 For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.

    Deu 7:13 And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

    Deu 28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

    Deu 28:11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

    Deu 28:18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

    Deu 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

    Deu 30:9 And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers:

    Psa 21:10 Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men.

    Psa 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

    Psa 128:3 Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table.

    Psa 132:11 The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

    Isa 13:18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.

    Isa 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

    Jer 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

    Lam 2:20 Behold, O LORD, and consider to whom thou hast done this. Shall the women eat their fruit, and children of a span long? shall the priest and the prophet be slain in the sanctuary of the Lord?

    Eze 19:10 Thy mother is like a vine in thy blood, planted by the waters: she was fruitful and full of branches by reason of many waters.

    Dan 4:14 He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:

    Hos 9:16 Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.

    Mic 6:7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

    Hos 13:15 Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels.

    Luk 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

    Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

    Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

    and many other such texts. There are literally hundreds dealing with "men" (mankind) of this "earth". There is no one, not even a single solitary one for any of the angelic celestial hosts.

    "multiply" - Genesis 1:22,28, 3:16, 6:1, 8:17, 9:1,7, 16:10, 17:2,20, 22:17, 26:24, 28:3, 35:11, 48:4; Exodus 1:10, 7:3, 23:39, 32:13; Leviticus 26:9; Deuteronomy 7:13, 8:1,13, 13:17,16,17, 28:63, 30:5,16; 1 Chronicles 4:27; Job 29:18; Jeremiah 30:19, 33:22; Ezekiel 16:7, 36:10,11,30, 37:26; Amos 4:4; 2 Corinthians 9:10; Hebrews 6:14

    "bring forth" - Genesis 1:11,20,24, 3:16,18, 8:17, 9:7; Exodus 3:10,11, 7:4, 8:3,18; Leviticus 24:14,24, 25:21, 26:10; Numbers 20:8; Deuteronomy 14:28, 17:5, 22:15; Joshua 2:3; Judges 6:18, 19:22; 2 Kings 10:22, 19:3, 23:4; Ezra 1:8; Job 14:9, 15:35, 38:32, 39:1,2,3; Psalms 37:6, 92:14, 104:14, 144:13; Proverbs 27:1; Isaiah 5:2,4, 23:4, 33:11, 37:3, 41:21, 42:1,3, 43:8,9, 45:8, 55:10, 59:4, 65:9,23, 66:8,9; Jeremiah 12:2, 51:44; Ezekiel 12:4, 17:8,23, 28:12, 31:6, 47:12; Hosea 9:13,16; Micah 4:10; Zephaniah 2:2; Zechariah 3:8, 4:7; Matthew 1:21,23, 3:8, 7:18; Mark 4:20; Luke 1:31, 3:8, 6:43,8:15, 15:22; John 15:2,16; Romans 7:4,5

    "brought forth" - Genesis 1:11,21, 14:18, 24:53, 30:39, 38:25, 40:10, 41:47; Exodus 3:12, 12:39, 19;17, 32:11; Leviticus 22:27, 25:42,55, 26:45; Numbers 17:8; Deuteronomy 9:12,26, 33:14; Joshua 10:23; Judges 5:25; Ruth 2:18; 1 Samuel 12:8; 2 Samuel 12:30,31; 1 Kings 8:16, 9:9; 2 Kings 10:26, 11:12; 2 Chronicles 1:17, 6:5, 29:23; Ezra 1:7; Job 21:30; Psalms 7:14, 90:2, 105:30,43; Proverbs 8:24,25; Isaiah 5:2, 26:18, 45:10, 51:18, 66:7,8; Jeremiah 20:3, 32:21, 38:22, 50:25, 51:10; Ezekiel 12:7, 14:22, 17:6, 38:8, 47:8; Micah 5:3; Haggai 2:19; Matthew 1:25, 13:8,26; Mark 4:8,29; Luke 1:57, 2:7, 12:16; Acts 5:15, 25:17,23; James 5:18; Revelation 12:5,13

    "fruitful" - Genesis 1:22,28, 8:17, 9:1,7, 17:6,20, 26:22, 28:3, 35:11, 41:52, 48:4, 49:22; Exodus 1:7; Leviticus 26:9; Psalms 107:34, 128:3, 148:9; Isaiah 5:1, 10:18, 17:6, 29:17, 32:12,15,16; Jeremiah 4:26, 23:3; Ezekiel 17:5, 19:10; Hosea 13:15; Acts 14:17; Colossians 1:10

    "loins" - Genesis 35:11, 37:34, 46:26; Exodus 1:5, 12:11, 28:42; Deuteronomy 33:11; 2 Samuel 20:8; 1 Kings 2:5, 8:19, 12:10, 18:46, 20:31, 20:32; 2 Kings 1:8, 4:29, 9:1; 2 Chronicles 6:9, 10:10; job 12:18, 31:20, 38:3, 40:7,16; Psalms 38:7, 66:11, 69:23; Proverbs 31:17; Isaiah 5:27, 11:5, 20:2, 21:3, 32:11, 45:1; Jeremiah 1:17, 13:1,2,4,11, 30:6, 48:37; Ezekiel 1:27, 8:2, 21:6, 23:5, 29:7, 44:18, 47:4; Daniel 5:6, 10:5; Amos 8:10; Nahum 2:1,10; Matthew 3:4; Mark 1:6; Luke 12:35; Acts 2:30; Ephesians 6:14; Hebrews 7:5,10; 1 Peter 1:13

    "beget" - Genesis 17:20; Deuteronomy 4:25, 28:41; 2 Kings 20:18; Ecclesiastes 6:3; Isaiah 39:7; Jeremiah 29:6; Ezekiel 18:10,14, 47:22

    "begetteth" - Proverbs 17:21, 23:24; Ecclesiastes 5:14

    "begotten" - Genesis 5:4; Leviticus 18:11; Numbers 11:12; Deuteronomy 23:8; Judges 8:30; Job 38:28; Psalms 2:7; Isaiah 49:21; Hosea 5:7; John 1:14,18, 3:16; Acts 13:33; 1 Corinthians 4:15; Philemon 1:10; Hebrews 1:5, 5:5, 11:17; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 4:9, 5:1,18; Revelation 1:5

    "pis.seth against the wall" - 1 Samuel 25:22,34; 1 Kings 14:10, 21:21; 2 Kings 9:8

    "pis.seth against a wall" - 1 Kings 16:11

    "fruit" - (184 verses, 208 matches)

    "seed" - (254 verses, 280 matches)

    "child" - (183 verses, 205 matches)

    "children" - (1524 verses, 1822 matches)

    "increase" - (87 verses, 88 matches)

    There are literally hundreds dealing with "men" (mankind) of this "earth".

    There is not even one, not even a single solitary one for any of the angelic celestial hosts in like manner.

    The only way to refute the statement is to produce the text in the mouth of two or three witnesses. This has never been done, and cannot be done.

    Procreation, according to scripture (KJB), as demonstrated by texts and by the specific words, exists among man-kind (amongst themselves; "male" with "female" of like/same "kind"; "marriage" existing among the "children" "of this world" (Luke 20:34) and no other) and with other creatures (of each Kind amongst themselves) of the "earth":

    Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

    The rebellious cast out angels (which are neither 'ethereal' or non-entities, neither gaseous non-forms), etc (Satan and his ilk) through manipulation and twisting of the truth and causing doubt in the words of God, are only able to "possess" (never 'procreate' with) those upon this world.

    possessed - Matthew 4:24, 8:16,28,33, 9:32, 12:22; Mark 1:32, 5:15,16,18; Luke 8:36; Acts 8:7, 16:16; which deals with control over, dominion over and ownership of - Numbers 21:24,35; Deuteronomy 3:12, 4:47, 30:5; Joshua 1:15, 12:1, 13:1, 19;47, 21:43, 22:9; Judges 3:13, 11:21,22; 2 Kings 17:24; Nehemiah 9:22,24,25; Psalms 139:13; Proverbs 8:22; Isaiah 63:18; Jeremiah 32:15,23; Daniel 7:22; Proverbs 8:22; Acts 4:32; 1 Corinthians 7:30

    Possession, deals with 'mind upon mind', a surrender of the will to the devil (2 Chronicles 30:8; Romans 6:13,16), not a physical entering [it is not like the many Hollywood movies and fictional books portray], for satan and the devils are physical beings [more on this later in detail as needful], which, somewhat like in modern hypnosis, take control of the mind, and of the will, and thus the one "possessed" [taken control of the mind] will obey the will of the one surrendered to, and follow suggestions and commands:
     
  2. Crosstian

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    No, part 3

    Since it is clear in scripture (KJB) that the "angels" "neither marry nor, are given in marriage", and the scriptures "cannot be broken" (John 10:35) and are "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16), this automatically excludes all of the created angelic hosts [loyal or rebellious] from the context as given in Genesis 6:2, for it says "they [sons of God] took them wives"; and a wife only comes through marriage which is an institution specifically given unto man-kind, who is "flesh and blood", by God Himself, so that the two [man and woman; husband and wife of the "one blood" (Acts 17:26), same "kind"] become "one flesh" (which is not possible between man-kind and angel-kind; 1 Corinthians 15:39-41; Jude 1:7; Hebrews 2:16), as Genesis 2:24 shows (Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.):

    Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    Please take careful notice that the text of Genesis 6:4, declares that "giants" already existed on earth before the "sons of God came in unto the daughters of men", for it clearly uses the words, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men".

    Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth, ... Enoch ... Methuselah, Noah were all 'giant'. Adam was a little more than twice as tall as men are now living (probably around 15 feet and well proportioned), and Eve just below that, at around a little higher than shoulder height.

    Let none confuse what scripture says with pagan mythologies (Acts 14:11) [Norse, Greek, Roman, Babylonian, etc], about 'gods' coming down and siring children, of which Paul and Barnabus told them to quit such activities and practices, as elsewhere (Acts 14:15, 17:29-30). Even in those scenarios, it was generally 'men' that were made into 'gods' and later mythologized (Nimrod, Semiramis, Tamuz, etc). The Bible is not paganism (all of which is error). Let our study be derived from the word itself.

    Although the LORD lovingly counseled and warned Cain to avoid sin (Genesis 4:6-7) [in this case anger without a cause, which led to murder], Cain instead, in faithlessness and rebellion, chose not to listen to God and went to his brother Abel – and so Cain arose and "slew" [murdered] (1 John 3:12) his brother (Genesis 4:8).

    After being "mark"[ed], Cain "went out from the presence of the LORD" (Genesis 4:16) and eventually had a great great great grandson named "Lamech" (Genesis 4:18), who not only followed in Cain's "way" (Jude 1:11), but increased in wickedness.

    This is extremely important for understanding the later and later transpiring events that led up to the Judgment of the Flood, for Lamech followed not only in the spiritual footsteps of Cain's rebellion in murdering another (Genesis 4:23), and even used the LORD as an excuse (Genesis 4:24), but it is clearly detailed that he even married "two wives" (Genesis 4:19) [the very first mentioned to do so, polygamy] which went against the original plan for marriage, which was given for man to have one wife (Genesis 2:24). Many then followed suit, even going to so far that they did not ask counsel of God for whom to marry (As Adam, unto Eve), but instead they "chose" (Genesis 6:2) whom they would, even murdering (filling the earth with "violence"; Genesis 6:11), and marrying multiple "wives" (Genesis 6:2). The more spiritual line of Seth, which had been close to God, obeying their parents (Adam and Eve) and the Garden of Eden, before its walls (Genesis 3:24), began to move out and intermingle and to intermarry with the spiritual line of Cain, who had left and became city-dwellers, and were thus influenced by their idolatry and practices, corrupting the people who had, "call[ed] upon the name of the LORD" (Genesis 4:26).

    The picture is thus becoming clearer that the phrase "sons of God", as used in Genesis 6 is not ever meant to denote "angels" but is rather a term which had represented those of man-kind who were "spiritually minded" (Romans 8:6), those who had "begun to call upon the name of the LORD" (Genesis 4:26) [See also Acts 22:16 for a similar reference], like the prophet Enoch (Jude 1:14), who continued to be faithful and followed and "walked" (Genesis 5:22,24) with the LORD in the "ways of God" (Deuteronomy 8:6, 10:12; 2 Samuel 22:22; Psalms 18:21) as did righteous Noah (Genesis 7:1) who was a "just man", "perfect in his generations" (Genesis 6:9) and was a "preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5) [See Psalms 119:172 for "righteousness"]. Yet, as scripture shows, these men began to be lured away, becoming unevenly yoked in marriages (2 Corinthians 6:14) and multiple marriages and eventually apostatized fully, corrupting all flesh upon the earth.

    The entire context of Genesis 6 begins and deals with "men" (Genesis 6:1) and "flesh" (Genesis 6:12) of that world which perished and not "angels" who are not of this world, but "celestial" (1 Corinthians 15:40), not having the same "blood" and "flesh" as mankind have (1 Corinthians 15:39; Hebrews 2:16). In fact passage after passage reveals the dealings of God with the doings and "wickedness of man" (Genesis 6:5), and not one passage says anything about "angels" (whom all rebellious angels survived the flood, though fearing for their lives amidst the global catastrophic deluge from God's judgment):

    Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
    Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. [As a side note, this passage is not revealing a "capstone" to the age limit of man-kind hereafter, for Job lived past the age of 120, as did many others post-flood, Shem, Ham, Japheth, Terah, Abraham, Sarah, Ishamel, Isaac, etc, but is rather giving the allotted time for man-kind's repentance to the preaching of Enoch and Noah, etc. After 120 years, the Ark being finished and Noah, his wife and his son's and their wives went in, the door finally sealed and shut and the Judgment of the Flood came upon those who rejected the only means of salvation.]
    Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
    Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
    Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
    Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
    Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
    Gen 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
    Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
    Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
    Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

    Angels are nowhere mentioned explicitly in the context. Not once.

    If we understand the events as they unfolded in the earlier chapters of Genesis, with Satan, Cain and Lamech [faithlessness, rebellion, anger, murder, multiple wives, excuses, disobedience, going out from the presence of the LORD and so on] and with Adam, Eve, Seth, Enoch, Noah [faith, repentance, obedience, walking with GOD, just, righteousness, calling upon the name of the LORD and so on], etc., we can then understand what was going on in Genesis 6. Man-kind had begun to become many and "multiply" (Genesis 6:1) and two opposing sides could be clearly seen and witnessed upon the earth. Abel/Seth's and Cain's - Those looking for the promised redeemer, continuing with the True sacrifice and offering and those who rejected the message and substituted their own form of worship and offerings.

    However, as it went, even the "sons of God" [the spiritually minded descendants who were keeping the ways of the true God] had begun to look upon the fair "daughters of men" (those city-dwellers of Cain) taking "wives of all which they chose" (Genesis 6:2) [except for righteousness Noah and his sons who all only had one wife each (Genesis 7:13)] and so they had began to apostatize and become worldly and so they began to intermingle, being led astray, and also to intermarry which led them to "corrupt" the "ways of God" through "violence" and "wickedness" - and "every imagination of the thoughts" of man-kind's "heart [was] only evil continually". And so the Judgment of the Flood was given, preached unto repentance, and finally received by those who rejected, grieving away the Holy Spirit of God [Genesis 6:3; 1 Peter 3:18-21; 2 Peter 2:5]:

    Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
    Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
    Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

    Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
    Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
    Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

    The problem of intermixing and intermarrying [amongst the "people, children and sons of God" (of this earth) with the "daughters of men, gentiles, nations, world", etc] and having multiple wives leading into overt apostasy against God Almighty and directly into the bondage of sin, adultery, fornication and idolatry is given all throughout scripture in crystal clear testimony in all of such actions disastrous endeavors. Let us look at the repeat of history from the time of Cain/Lamech, unto the end ...
     
  3. GoldenKingGaze

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    I don't see why you think the giants father's were Adamic? But the idea that angels do not marry seems well scriptural.
     
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    The term "giants" is translated from the Hebrew word "nĕphiyl" "נָפִיל" has a range of meaning, such as "giants, attack, fall away, rebels, apostates" and comes from the Hebrew root word "naphal" "נָפַל" which means "to fall, lie down, lay prostrate, cast down, fall away to, go away to, desert, attack, knock out, overthrow, cause to drop" [Strong's Concordance] and also to "supplant, become ruined, to encamp" [Gesenius's Lexicon]. Yet, let us see how the word defined it.

    There were "giants" in those days before the flood, even before the "sons of God" knew "the daughters of men", and after, and even after the flood, and in each instance the words used in description are always referring to the race of man-kind, and never in reference to the angelic hosts in all instances:

    Gen 14:5 And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,

    Num 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

    Deu 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

    Jos 12:4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,

    Jos 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

    Jos 15:8 And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:

    Jos 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.

    Jos 18:16 And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,

    "Nimrod" ["a mighty one"]:

    Gen 10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

    Gen 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.

    ["before", means to stand over against, in front of, or opposite to [even opposed]]

    "Rephaims" ["giants" like Goliath or Og the King of Bashan]:

    Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,

    Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

    2Sa 5:18 The Philistines also came and spread themselves in the valley of Rephaim.

    2Sa 5:22 And the Philistines came up yet again, and spread themselves in the valley of Rephaim.

    1Ch 14:9 And the Philistines came and spread themselves in the valley of Rephaim.

    Isa 17:5 And it shall be as when the harvestman gathereth the corn, and reapeth the ears with his arm; and it shall be as he that gathereth ears in the valley of Rephaim.

    "Anakims" ["sons of Anak"]:

    Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

    Deu 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!

    ...to be continued...

    Some have attemptd to say that Anak, came from nowhere and was a distinct people group and race, and was sired of devil-human hybrids. This is not the case, as his genealogy is clearly given in scripture, with a little prayerful reading and careful study (which seems to be lacking in those who promote the other erroneous ideas).

    More on "Anak" and where He came from:

    “Anak”, and descendants, and ancestors:

    “Anak” is found in the following verses:

    Numbers 13:22,28,33
    Deuteronomy 9:2
    Joshua 15:13,14, 21:11
    Judges 1:20

    The “Children of Anak” are found:

    Ahiman; Numbers 13:22
    Sheshai; Numbers 13:22
    Talmai; Numbers 13:22

    The “Father of Anak”, named “Arba” is found in the following verses:

    Joshua 14:15, 15:13, 21:11

    “Arba” was the ruler of “Kirjath-Arba” [“City of Arba”, aka “Hebron”], found in the following verses:

    kirjatharba, 6 times

    Genesis 23:2 (2 times); Joshua 14:15, 15:54, 20:7; Judges 1:10; Nehemiah 11:25

    City of Arba[h], 3 times

    Genesis 35:27, Joshua 15:13, 21:11

    The “City of Arbah” [“Hebron”], lies in the “plain of Mamre”:

    Genesis 13:18, 14:13,24, 18:1,23:17,19, 25:9, 35:27, 49:30, 50:13

    “The plain of Mamre” was in the “Land of Canaan”:

    Genesis 49:30

    “Mamre”, was an “Amorite”:

    Genesis 14:13

    The “Amorites” were descendants/children of “Canaan”:

    Genesis 10:15,16

    “Canaan” was a son of “Ham”:

    Genesis 10:6

    “Ham” was a son of “Noah” [“Noe”]:

    Genesis 5:32

    “Noah” [“Noe”] was a son of “Lamech”:

    Genesis 5:29,30; Luke 3:36

    “Lamech” was a son of “Methuselah” [“Mathusala”]:

    Genesis 5:25; Luke 3:37

    “Methuselah” [“Mathusala”] was a son of “Enoch”:

    Genesis 5:21; Luke 3:37

    “Enoch” was a son of “Jared”:

    Genesis 5:18; Luke 3:37

    “Jared” was a son of “Mahalaleel” [“Maleleel”]:

    Genesis 5:16,17; Luke 3:17

    “Mahalaleel” [“Maleleel”] was a son of “Cainan”:

    Genesis 5:12,13; Luke 3:17

    “Cainan” was a son of “Enos”:

    Genesis 5:9,10; Luke 3:18

    “Enos” was a son of “Seth”:

    Genesis 4:26, 5:6,7; Luke 3:38

    “Seth” was a son of “Adam” and his wife, “Eve” [Genesis 2:23; “the mother of all living” [Genesis 3:20]]:

    Genesis 4:25; Luke 3:38

    “Adam” [“the first man” 1 Corinthians 15:45] was the “son of God”:

    Genesis 1 & 2; Luke 3:38

    Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

    Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

    Gen 10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

    Therefore, since Anak, was the child of Arba, and Arba founded the city of Arba[h], and the City of Arba [KirjathArba, Hebron] was in the plain of Mamre, and Mamre was an Amorite, which was in the land of Canaan, which were named for the persons which settled there, being the son of Ham, the son of Noah [Noe] … which was the son of Adam, the first man, and Eve, who was the mother of all living, we can see that “Anak”, was therefore an Amorite descendant of Canaan, etc.

    When we compare Scripture with Scripture, line upon line [Isaiah 28] we can also consider the locations/lands in which they lived, what cities, etc surround those names, in their context to obtain a clearer picture.

    "Emims":

    Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.

    "Zamzummims":

    Deu 2:20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

    Deu 2:21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:

    Others, "children of the giant", "sons of the giant":

    1Ch 11:23 And he slew an Egyptian, a man of great stature, five cubits high; and in the Egyptian's hand was a spear like a weaver's beam; and he went down to him with a staff, and plucked the spear out of the Egyptian's hand, and slew him with his own spear.

    1Ch 20:4 And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.
    1Ch 20:5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.
    1Ch 20:6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant.
    1Ch 20:7 But when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea David's brother slew him.
    1Ch 20:8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

    2Sa 21:16 And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.
    2Sa 21:17 But Abishai the son of Zeruiah succoured him, and smote the Philistine, and killed him. Then the men of David sware unto him, saying, Thou shalt go no more out with us to battle, that thou quench not the light of Israel.
    2Sa 21:18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.
    2Sa 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
    2Sa 21:20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
    2Sa 21:21 And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea the brother of David slew him.
    2Sa 21:22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

    Isa 45:14 Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

    There are two ways, the Ways of God, or the way of wickedness.

    Another piece of the text to consider in the context of Genesis 6:4 are the words "men of renown":

    English: "reknown" = Hebrew: "shem" "שֵׁם" [meaning: name, reputation, fame, glory, memorial, monument, stigma [a mark with which anyone is marked], notable, famous or infamous] [Strong's Concordance]

    Compare to those in the camp of Moses, where the exact same words are used:

    Num 16:2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

    ...or compare these passages which also deal with mankind alone:

    Num 1:16 These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.

    Num 26:9 And the sons of Eliab; Nemuel, and Dathan, and Abiram. This is that Dathan and Abiram, which were famous in the congregation, who strove against Moses and against Aaron in the company of Korah, when they strove against the LORD:

    1Ch 5:24 And these were the heads of the house of their fathers, even Epher, and Ishi, and Eliel, and Azriel, and Jeremiah, and Hodaviah, and Jahdiel, mighty men of valour, famous men, and heads of the house of their fathers.

    1Ch 12:30 And of the children of Ephraim twenty thousand and eight hundred, mighty men of valour, famous throughout the house of their fathers.

    ...or compare to those who allow God to make them a great name, to those who make a great name for themselves:

    [God makes the name great]

    Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

    [Man makes the name great]

    Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
     
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    Which are the best Hebrew to English dictionaries?
     
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    12Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. 13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings [g]of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

    Supernatural and malevolent manners with regards to the frogs and the dragon.
     
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    The creatures having the same form as god, "the sons of God came in to the daughters of men". They were never angels. And never the sons of men.
     
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    This video a minute in hints at, that a foreign creature that wants to intermarry with human beings. To take humans and colonize the Earth, saying it is normal and how we came about.



    I am open minded to consider it. Though the 2012 prediction did not happen.

    It shows creativity or a lying spirit.
     
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    I don't think it quite stands as "proof" but very nearly so. Angels do not have the natural means to impregnate human women.
     
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    You do not understand the phrase "sons of God".

    Gen_4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

    Psa_82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

    Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

    Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

    1Jn_3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

    1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    When Adam sinned, his children were in his "image":

    Gen_5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

    These were the "sons of men", and also "daughters of men".

    Yet those who called upon the name of the LORD, became "sons of God", being remade in His image.
     
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    You answered your own statement.
     
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    Why were the offspring of these creatures, tyrants as you have typed above, mighty warriors, that displeased the Lord so that he destroyed them in the flood? It seems to be their fathers were very evil natured. Not just men, calling on God's name...
     
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    Lying spirits sometimes tell half truths.
     
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    Unevenly yoked marriages bring about a lot of destruction, sadness misery. The daughters of men turned away the hearts of the sons of God to idolatry, to polygamy, and their children to murder, to violence, to abuse of the creation and themselves, etc.

    Here, you may like:

    Patriarchs and Prophets (Audio Book)
     
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    It's usually 2/3's truth and 1/3 lie:

    Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

    Gen_3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
     
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    From my view, Genesis 6 Adamic women were innocent and even raped and abused by the sons of God. They did not have any choice. We are descended from some of those women, not far different just after the flood. They were ruled by men. The sons of God were the tyrants and their children partly so and probably taller than their fathers and mothers.
     
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    So you can tell the liar deep down is telling bull except for what's really in it for him and his company.
     
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    From my OP Paul asks "death, where is your sting?" Every evil spirit, was defeated, so they all aimed their power on holding Jesus, making him lie, making his power theirs. That is why I think evil spirits had to leave their posts by graves... And mighty angels were freed from normal needs, to honour Jesus as he carried his cross to the place outside the city. So to say in honour of him that they could not match up to his greatness in facing this great enemy, angels like Michael and Gabriel.
     
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    If Satan knew what would happen in the death and resurrection, he would not have tried to hold Jesus in death. And if two thirds of the spirits were not there around Jesus, they would not also be defeated.
     
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    Where do you get the idea that Satan is the king of hell?
     
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