Demonology

[GoldenKingGaze]

In Jesus death, he overcame the fallen angels and demons, the spirit of death. I would imagine that the angel once called Lucifer contained an immense number of evil spirits to strengthen him. There would have been some or many others surrounding Jesus. Satan, the king of Hell, maybe the same thing, a prince of demons, also empowered. And the spirits of death in full number would have left graves to encroach on Jesus to over power Him and hold Him in death. This resulted in some people who were asleep, waking up and going home.

Does Satan have arms and legs?

Do you agree? Would you add, or take away, or hold an entirely different image of these dramatic moments?

 

[Tolworth John]

It is enough to know that Jesus died in my place and that he rose again to show that he had conqurered sin and death.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

It is enough to know that Jesus died in my place and that he rose again to show that he had conqurered sin and death.

Not for everyone, the Gospels are already summaries. If we could, footage of Jesus life would be great to obtain. For creative writing, thought on the matter can increase knowledge and lead to a something like a play to capture the interest of lots of people. And with good news and accurate to the word nature instead of the likes of the odd film of Noah with Russel Crowe.

 

[Tolworth John]

Not for everyone, the Gospels are already summaries. If we could, footage of Jesus life would be great to obtain. For creative writing, thought on the matter can increase knowledge and lead to a something like a play to capture the interest of lots of people. And with good news and accurate to the word nature instead of the likes of the odd film of Noah with Russel Crowe.

Facts are one thing, inventing stories are another.
Look at the post 'why we should believe in Jesus' and write a story incorporating some of that compelling evidence.

 

[~Anastasia~]

The early Church understood that Christ, being God, the very source of life itself, having died, destroyed death. Death cannot hold or overpower life (God). So death was defeated, destroyed. As a result, we will all be resurrected one day. Death no longer has power. This was shown by some resurrecting, as a result of death being overthrown.

Where and what Satan and his demons were doing, who knows? It doesn't matter. This is bigger than a demon's strength. It is a change of cosmic order, a reversal of what Adam did when he chose disobedience and allowed death to enter. That's what's important. Best not to build up ideas based on speculations.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

The Bible tells the story of Jonah, and Jesus refers to His sign of Jonah. Jonah 2 has the description that invites imagination.

Catholic tradition holds that a saint saw Satan trembling beside the cross.

Jesus taught I think Nathan that he would see Heaven open, and angels.

 

[Erik Nelson]

If demons cannot repent, then angels cannot sin? If demons cannot "un-fall", then angels cannot "fall" ?

Are demons "protesting on principle" ?? When they refused to acknowledge God's new creation of humankind on earth, they knew their rebellion would fail? They knew they were doomed and still chose to rebel? Demonic pride couldn't brook a higher angelic race being subordinated to "hairy terrestrial primates" (if you would), and even knowing they would be defeated, they rebelled against God "on principle" even if it was suicidal ???

The fall of the angels - The Catholic Leader

But why weren’t the devils given a second chance, or many chances, as we are?

The answer lies in the superior understanding of the angels’ mind. They understood perfectly from the outset the consequences of their choice, were they to reject God. They knew they had only one opportunity and that their choice was irrevocable.

The Catechism says, quoting St John Damascene: “It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels’ sin unforgivable. ‘There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death’” (De Fide orth. 2, 4; CCC 393).​

 

[fwGod]

And the spirits of death in full number would have left graves to encroach on Jesus to over power Him and hold Him in death. This resulted in some people who were asleep, waking up and going home.

Is there a scripture that supports that result?

Does Satan have arms and legs?

Do angels of God? Yes. "The angels pick you up in their arms lest you dash your foot against a stone." The angels of God and the demons are originally created the same.

Do you agree? Would you add, or take away, or hold an entirely different image of these dramatic moments?

The idea of demons camping out at graves has no scriptural support. But rather halloween support.

Demons at graves would be like someone hanging out at the trashcan full of nothing useful. Instead, look for demons at insane asylums.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Demons are not physical, corporeal beings ?

They have no bodies, no arms, no legs ?

They are a form of intelligent energy overpowering & re-animating "possessed" humans ?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Is there a scripture that supports that result?
Do angels of God? Yes. "The angels pick you up in their arms lest you dash your foot against a stone." The angels of God and the demons are originally created the same.

The idea of demons camping out at graves has no scriptural support. But rather halloween support.

Demons at graves would be like someone hanging out at the trashcan full of nothing useful. Instead, look for demons at insane asylums.

From the NKJV
51Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

The idea of demons in the tombs is from the idea that there is a spirit of death which Paul describes as losing it's sting, due to the resurrection. Death holds the dead in death. There are angels of death. For death to be defeated all death had to be defeated by Christ. All death attempted to hold him, instead of mere godly men. My interpretation, IMHO.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

If demons cannot repent, then angels cannot sin? If demons cannot "un-fall", then angels cannot "fall" ?

Are demons "protesting on principle" ?? When they refused to acknowledge God's new creation of humankind on earth, they knew their rebellion would fail? They knew they were doomed and still chose to rebel? Demonic pride couldn't brook a higher angelic race being subordinated to "hairy terrestrial primates" (if you would), and even knowing they would be defeated, they rebelled against God "on principle" even if it was suicidal ???

The fall of the angels - The Catholic Leader

But why weren’t the devils given a second chance, or many chances, as we are?

The answer lies in the superior understanding of the angels’ mind. They understood perfectly from the outset the consequences of their choice, were they to reject God. They knew they had only one opportunity and that their choice was irrevocable.

The Catechism says, quoting St John Damascene: “It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels’ sin unforgivable. ‘There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death’” (De Fide orth. 2, 4; CCC 393).​

Interesting. I do not feel sure I know if fallen Lucifer, Satan, can repent on his own, or with God's help... Or if he has locked himself from repentance permanently.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Is there a scripture that supports that result?
Do angels of God? Yes. "The angels pick you up in their arms lest you dash your foot against a stone." The angels of God and the demons are originally created the same.

The idea of demons camping out at graves has no scriptural support. But rather halloween support.

Demons at graves would be like someone hanging out at the trashcan full of nothing useful. Instead, look for demons at insane asylums.

Did Satan lose his arms and legs when the serpent was cursed with going along on his belly?

 

[Erik Nelson]

Interesting. I do not feel sure I know if fallen Lucifer, Satan, can repent on his own, or with God's help... Or if he has locked himself from repentance permanently.

Well, the NT & Revelation clearly say the Devil & fallen demons will be cast in the Lake of Fire, so somehow Prophesy predicts & forecasts their non-repentance?

 

[Erik Nelson]

Did Satan lose his arms and legs when the serpent was cursed with going along on his belly?

Was the serpent on earth some sort of "avatar" inhabited or indwelt by the Adversary? Who as a fallen angel is, ultimately, a spiritual energy being ?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Well, the NT & Revelation clearly say the Devil & fallen demons will be cast in the Lake of Fire, so somehow Prophesy predicts & forecasts their non-repentance?

Yes, and some scholars like Barclay held universal salvation, in which at the very end all would be saved. So from the very fundamental view, the world is 6000 years old, but another view says 4.5 billion and the solar system has another 5 billion before the sun become a red giant... will Satan ever repent?

If Satan cannot repent, it suggests it depends on God, and Satan is not worth it. Results compared with costs. Since Jesus says that those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven now or ever, than never will Satan repent. No souls will come back from the lake of fire.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Jesus says that those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven now or ever, than never will Satan repent. No souls will come back from the lake of fire.

wow, interesting connection

What is the "unforgivable sin" ? Attributing to the Devil what is of God?

How could the Devil attribute the power of God...to the Devil?

Such would imply, that the fall of Lucifer involved Lucifer going around "taking credit" for God's actions???

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

wow, interesting connection

What is the "unforgivable sin" ? Attributing to the Devil what is of God?

How could the Devil attribute the power of God...to the Devil?

Such would imply, that the fall of Lucifer involved Lucifer going around "taking credit" for God's actions???

My first read of the blasphemy was to think it meant slandering the Holy Spirit. Then my priest said it means completely hardening your heart to God. Together with Hebrews 6:6, it means that when the Spirit comes upon you, thoroughly, and you even taste all God has for you, and you harden your heart to it all, then God who is solely responsible for you willing and doing his good pleasure, and who wants you to repent, will never be able to bring you to repent again. One never will. Phil 2:12,13.

Jesus gave the parable of the wicked tenants, it was about the Pharisees but also Satan. Satan once tasted all the gifts of Heaven as an angel of light. And came to wants be God, an in so invented uncleanness and death. Which I think seeks to take the powers off the victim. Lucifer wanted the throne and the power in God, so he would have wanted to begin to make him lie, and eventually become like that king from Lord of the Rings who was under advice constantly and weak. Fickle and compliant, only that is slight by comparison. They wanted Jesus in Hell, and they wanted to finally take his power and have the full inheritance. Satan having become like this hardened his heart to God's love and God being a gentlemen cannot force him to repent.

 

[fwGod]

Did Satan lose his arms and legs when the serpent was cursed with going along on his belly?

Differentiate between satan and the serpent who was cursed and from that time on, crawls on his belly. The two are not the same creature.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Differentiate between satan and the serpent who was cursed and from that time on, crawls on his belly. The two are not the same creature.

7And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8but they [a]did not prevail, nor was a place found for https://biblehub.com/nkjv/revelation/12.htm#footnotesthem in heaven any longer. 9So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. NKJV

 

[BobRyan]

In Jesus death, he overcame the fallen angels and demons, the spirit of death. I would imagine that the angel once called Lucifer contained an immense number of evil spirits to strengthen him. There would have been some or many others surrounding Jesus. Satan, the king of Hell, maybe the same thing, a prince of demons, also empowered. And the spirits of death in full number would have left graves to encroach on Jesus to over power Him and hold Him in death. This resulted in some people who were asleep, waking up and going home.

Does Satan have arms and legs?

Do you agree? Would you add, or take away, or hold an entirely different image of these dramatic moments?

As Ezekiel reminds us - All angels have a body and the ones like Lucifer that fell to become demons did not lose their body when they fell into sin.