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  1. Marilyn C

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    [QUOTE="Bible2+, post: 71656022, member: 380638"[/QUOTE]

    Hi Bible2,

    Ever thought of writing movie scripts? Did enjoy your take on the scenario in the trib.

    Marilyn.
     
  2. Alithis

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    I consider all popes to be apostate.
    They are certainly not Gods mouth peice
     
  3. Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4

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    Strong delusion is antichrist i believe , antichrist does not mean half devil human with horns but a person who replaces Christ and announce to people that he is Christ himself . We know that Satan will declare himself as Jesus and will do miracles , so many people will be deceived by that delusion .
     
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    Good deal.
     
  5. devin553344

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    Are you talking about that it is Mormons in the Temples proclaiming themselves as Gods, with the power Jesus the Christ had, saying what they seal in the temple is sealed in heaven? Being the falling away and the son of perdition?
     
  6. JESUS=G.O.A.T

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    I would say it has come although i'm not sure if I should list what they are might offend some. But yes it's here.
     
  7. amariselle

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    Topics of interest regarding this could include the NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) and the growing Ecumenism between not only the Catholic Church and Protestant/Evangelical denominations, but among all world religions. (A unity Pope Francis in particular has done much to further, although Pope John Paul II was also very ecumenical, and much of what Pope Francis is doing is built on what Pope John Paul II accomplished during his time as Pope).
     
  8. HeLeadethMe

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    This is what I believe the Lord has given me to understand: that the strong delusion as such will particularly centre around the antichrist and the third temple where he will sit proclaiming himself God. Counterfeit miracles will be involved in the delusion too, as we know from 2 Thess. 2. The false prophets have already been preparing the hearts of the people for it, of which one will arise and be a false witness pointing the world to the antichrist/son of perdition when he is revealed. Do not rejoice when the third temple is built.......it is going to have a very strong pull on people's hearts, this the Lord allowed me to see and feel it........we must remember that we are the temple of God now, a temple built not with human hands.

    As much as I love the Jewish people and long for their salvation......they are still away from the Lord and have to pay twice for their sins (rejecting Christ) before receiving the double portion of comfort (Holy Spirit) in the end. Jerusalem will be attacked again as we understand from prophecy. But before that, unbelieving Israel is going to be in the delusion too, sadly. From what i understand, both apostate church and Israel are part of mystery Babylon, mother of harlots, which the beast will deceive and use for a while, but when he is done using her, he will then turn on her.
     
  9. HeLeadethMe

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    Amen.......the interfaith movement is what the strong delusion is all about....false unity of world peace between all faiths and religions. Unfortunately even the Jews who are in charge of preparations for the third temple plan on using it to usher in the "messiah" and unity of all faiths...world peace. Neither they nor the erring church will know that the beast and antichrist will just be using them and deceiving them for his own gain and power. By peace......he will destroy many. False peace.

    As we know, antichrist comes before the real return of Christ.......and the rapture will not occur until some time AFTER the son of perdition is revealed.
     
  10. Bible2+

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    Note that nothing requires that.

    Also, note that the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Catholicism in its past and current form, insofar as Catholicism affirms Jesus is the Christ, while the Antichrist will deny Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Catholicism affirms Jesus is the Son of God, while the Antichrist will deny Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 2:22b). And Catholicism affirms Christ is in the flesh, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Catholicism affirms the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms the only man who is God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, while the Antichrist will say he (the Antichrist) is God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms Lucifer (Satan) is evil, while the Antichrist will bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be Catholicism in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.

    Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist, and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be a secretly apostate pope), could at first pretend to support Catholicism (as well as Christianity generally, and also Islam), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.
     
  11. Bible2+

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    Note that "anti"-Christ can simply mean anyone who is "against" the true Christ, as in any "opponent of the Messiah" (Strong's Greek Dictionary, Word #500: antichristos), as in anyone who denies Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), or denies Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (1 John 2:22b), or denies Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The spirit of antichrist (1 John 4:3) has been working since the 1st century AD (2 Thessalonians 2:7), animating many antichrists since that time (1 John 2:18; 2 John 1:7).

    And note nothing requires the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will ever claim to be the Messiah/Christ. For his antichrist denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him as a mortal-flesh human (under his mistaken Gnostic doctrine) from being Christ. Instead, the non-mortal-flesh Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) could be the false Christ (that is, the "Lucifer" Christ, and not the "Jesus" Christ: 1 John 2:22) during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), which will be in the latter half of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

    But none of this means there won't also be multiple, human false Christs who will arise during the Tribulation (Matthew 24:24), including one who will be an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false Christ/Messiah. For shortly after the start of the Tribulation, the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:22-23a) in Israel, promising this false Messiah and his ultra-Orthodox Jewish followers they can keep for at least seven years (Daniel 9:27a) a 3rd Jewish temple (Revelation 11:1) which they will have built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

    Note that when Satan (Lucifer, the dragon) is cast down to the earth permanently at the midpoint of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 12:9,12), he won't claim to be "Jesus" Christ, just as the separate Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast", the man of sin: 2 Thessalonians 2:3b-4,9, Revelation 13:4-18) won't claim that Lucifer (or claim that he, the Antichrist) is "Jesus" Christ. For "anti"-Christ means someone who denies Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22).
     
  12. Bible2+

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    Note that while the Church as a whole is indeed a figurative temple building (Ephesians 2:21), it isn't the only temple of God. For it coexisted with the literal, 2nd temple building which was in Jerusalem in the 1st century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), just as the Church coexisted, and still coexists today, with the literal temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and with the temple of Jesus Christ's individual human body (John 2:21), and with the temple of every Christian's individual human body (1 Corinthians 6:19). And if the Church-as-a-whole temple can currently coexist with all these other temples of God, it will be able to coexist with the future, 3rd, earthly, literal temple building which Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show will exist in Jerusalem during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' first coming (Matthew 23:21), and even at the time of the early Church (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).

    For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and they will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Romans 7:12). This is why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in His temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the 2nd temple's Old Covenant Mosaic law practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26; 1 Corinthians 9:20). This isn't to say the Jesus-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Old Covenant Mosaic law 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God, because the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself remains holy before God (Romans 7:12), even though its letter is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Romans 7:6), because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus Christ and His once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28).

    Regarding "a temple built not with human hands", note that Acts 7:48-50 and Acts 17:24 refer back to the principle of Isaiah 66:1-2a, which was true even at the time of Solomon's temple (2 Chronicles 2:6). It means the Creator God YHWH is too big to dwell only in temples made with hands. For it isn't contradicting God did dwell in Solomon's temple (1 Kings 8:11). And then God dwelt in the 2nd Jewish temple (Matthew 23:21), in which the Church continued to worship God even after Jesus Christ's sacrificial death for our sins and His physical resurrection (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17). And so nothing requires God won't also dwell in the 3rd Jewish temple which will be built in Jerusalem during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). And God could also dwell in the 4th temple which will be built in Jerusalem during the future Millennium (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13), which won't begin until after Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21).
     
  13. Erik Nelson

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    Doesn't 2 Thess 2 = 1 Thess 5 ?

    the "deluding influence" Deceiving many into following the "man of lawlessness, the son of destruction (Greek apoleia ~= Apollyon the destroyer of Rev 9:11)" who will, according to Prophetic scheduling, claim from somewhere on earth to be the "One True Actual Factual God in heaven"... all on the Biblical eve of Judgement Day...

    which "day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."


    I offer that (one major element of) the deluding influence will be (historicist) / is now (preterist) a false sense of security. People will, as it were, think that the "coast is clear", that the "whole fabric of space-time" is just a "quiet park for them to romp around in". Then, at some point of maximum psychological "shock", they will all be "surprised" to find out that the Lord of heaven has Arrived, to destroy earth with fire (Rev 20:9 = 2 Pet 3:10).

    ( The fact that so many today are mocked & jeered for feeling "insecure" shows just how overly "secure" the mockers & jeerers feel. A preterist could construe the same as further evidence for the preterist view, e.g. most of Revelations has already come to pass, and we now live in the End Times after the Millennium (Rev 20:7-9), when the Prophetically scheduled "deluding influence" will Deceive many into feeling a strong sense of "peace & safety". If so, then they who feel so "immune to it all" and "above it all" will eventually notice that the Lord of heaven is above all of space and the earth therein... even if, until then, they get no reality checks from humans on earth, but only eventually from heaven alone. )
     
  14. Hal A Peno

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    A false prophet has a following.
     
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  18. Alithis

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    I think it's just terminologypeople use.
    It speaks of the great falling away where the love of many (for God) will become cold. They will turn to doctrines that tickle thier ears and not love the truth.
    And in thier rejection of the truth God will send them great delusion.

    So its not speaking of the world but the church in bulk will fall away and follow a lie.
    Just like we are seeing today
     
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  20. Erik Nelson

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    Well, "never say never", the End Times will (according to Scripture) be full of lies, trickery & Deceit...

    However I understand that that main sense of "unity" will (according to Scripture) be the global unity of "Gog & Magog" spiritually animated as an essentially unified "anti-Christian" movement
     
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