Defunding Planned Parenthood

[Armoured]

Planned parenthood should be abolished and its members arrested.

On what charge?

 

[Miss Shelby]

Are there available studies saying it's mainly teenagers having abortions?

 

[Armoured]

Are there available studies saying it's mainly teenagers having abortions?

18% in the US, according to these guys; http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904509.html . Why?

 

[MoonlessNight]

that is so messed up on so many levels

In order to make sure that women have control over their own bodies we must forcibly install implants in every girl.

 

[Armoured]

In order to make sure that women have control over their own bodies we must forcibly install implants in every girl.

What part of "opt out" did you not get?

 

[MikeK]

Are there available studies saying it's mainly teenagers having abortions?

No, it is mostly adults.

 

[MoonlessNight]

What part of "opt out" did you not get?

I read the "until opt out" as meaning that it would be required to use the implant at age 16, but that they could opt out later.

But if you mean merely that the implant would be available upon request, how is this substantially different from any other program to distribute contraceptives?

 

[Armoured]

I read the "until opt out" as meaning that it would be required to use the implant at age 16, but that they could opt out later.

But if you mean merely that the implant would be available upon request, how is this substantially different from any other program to distribute contraceptives?

Think of it like a vaccination program. Anyone can opt out at any time, including not getting one to start with. The idea is that if you actively go out of your way to give everyone a "fire and forget" contraceptive, rather than merely "making it available", more people would get it. It's not a problem for religious people, because contraception is only a problem if you're having sex, right? Well, presumably religious people wouldn't be having sex in situations likely to result in an unwanted pregnancy, so having an Implanon type implant isn't going to materially effect them. For everyone else, there are no cases of "oops, better have an abortion".

 

[MoonlessNight]

Think of it like a vaccination program. Anyone can opt out at any time, including not getting one to start with. The idea is that if you actively go out of your way to give everyone a "fire and forget" contraceptive, rather than merely "making it available", more people would get it. It's not a problem for religious people, because contraception is only a problem if you're having sex, right? Well, presumably religious people wouldn't be having sex in situations likely to result in an unwanted pregnancy, so having an Implanon type implant isn't going to materially effect them. For everyone else, there are no cases of "oops, better have an abortion".

You really can't imagine why someone would object to using Implanon other than being a Christian who objects to both premarital sex and to contraceptives? You are aware that there are side effects to the use? You are aware that there are people who are allergic to it? You are aware that the long-term side effects of use are largely unknown? You are aware that Implanon in particular isn't even on the market anymore (though it has been replaced by similar drugs)? You are aware that some people mistrust designer drugs on principle (and so will also refuse vaccinations)?

And that's not even getting into funding issues.

 

[Ringo84]

quote from Congressman Randy Forbes, 4th District, VA, from his newsletter today:
https://mail.aol.com/webmail-std/en-us/suite

"...This is not about politics..."

Of course it is. Planned Parenthood did not do anything illegal, because moral disgust is not the same as illegality.
'Go

 

[Armoured]

You really can't imagine why someone would object to using Implanon other than being a Christian who objects to both premarital sex and to contraceptives? You are aware that there are side effects to the use? You are aware that there are people who are allergic to it? You are aware that the long-term side effects of use are largely unknown? You are aware that Implanon in particular isn't even on the market anymore (though it has been replaced by similar drugs)? You are aware that some people mistrust designer drugs on principle (and so will also refuse vaccinations)?

And that's not even getting into funding issues.

I didn't know Implanon was no longer on the market. But fine, whatever the current iteration is. If people have a medical reason not to get one, don't get one. No worries. That's hardly likely to be most people, though, is it?

edit: appears to still be on the market to me: http://www.implanon-usa.com/en/consumer/index.xhtml

And that's not even getting into funding issues.

You think you're going to be able to make abortion illegal without providing funding somewhere? Whatever the cost of an Implanon implant in every woman who wants one costs, I doubt it is more than the cost of caring for pregnancies and children if abortion ceases to be available.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I didn't know Implanon was no longer on the market. But fine, whatever the current iteration is. If people have a medical reason not to get one, don't get one. No worries. That's hardly likely to be most people, though, is it?

It your solution to the reasons that people might not want to have the implant is to put on rosy glasses and pretend like that contingent would be too small to matter, we might as well pretend like the number of teenagers who will engage in sexual intercourse generally will be too small to matter.

If you are going to chastise pro-lifers for not having all the answers, you should think about the issue for more than 30 seconds yourself.

 

[Armoured]

It your solution to the reasons that people might not want to have the implant is to put on rosy glasses and pretend like that contingent would be too small to matter, we might as well pretend like the number of teenagers who will engage in sexual intercourse generally will be too small to matter.

If you are going to chastise pro-lifers for not having all the answers, you should think about the issue for more than 30 seconds yourself.

I'[ve thought about the issue plenty. I never said "that contingent would be too small to matter". But let's worry about the majority of people, rather than throwing our hands up and saying "not 100% effective, therefore let's not do it".

I'm not JUST talking about teenagers, either.

So, if you don't like my suggestion, what's your solution? Or are we just throwing contrarian rocks here?

 

[lucen15]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nned-parenthoods-work-mammograms-preventive-/

Here’s the breakdown from the annual report:

Abortions: 327,653

Sexually transmitted infection/disease testing and treatment: 4,470,597

Contraception: 3,577,348

Cancer screening and prevention: 935,573

Pregnancy tests: 1,128,783

Prenatal services: 18,684

Family practice services: 65,464

Adoption referrals: 1,880

Urinary tract infection treatments: 47,264

Other: 17,187

Yeah planned parenthood is all about abortions and making profits...

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/03/win...h_about_the_planned_parenthood_hoax_revealed/

Heres more fun...

 

[Fantine]

There seems to be a cult of narcissism about pregnancy with many young women. They continually put naked pictures of their growing bellies on Facebook. Sometimes they will paint fishbowls with swimming fish or happy faces on their bellies. As someone whose youngest child is in her 20's, all I can think of is "ugh!" There are people with whom you should freely share your growing belly, but Facebook friends are not among them!

They sometimes seem to be enamored of all the attention that they will get, as if the baby is a new fashion accessory or something. I just don't think they have a realistic picture of what parenting is--and with so many small families now, they haven't had much real life experience with babies.

Yeah, babies are great when you're ready and all your cylinders are firing. They are worth waiting for, but if they are born to parents who are children themselves, financially and emotionally unready for the task ahead, they will not only make themselves miserable but make the other party in the equation--their innocent child--miserable as well.

Lock these teenagers in a movie theater for a weekend with some cinema verite of real life parenting--colicky babies crying all night, etc.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I don't think I've ever seen a report which defends Planned Parenthood which doesn't get its numbers from either Planned Parenthood itself or the Guttmacher institute.

I bet Marlboro wishes that it had it so good.

I actually did a lot of digging the last time this "study" (really a press release claiming "only 3% of Planned Parenthood's services are abortions") came up and I found some interesting things.

Here you will see that about 11-13% of Planned Parenthood's clients receive abortions. It also turned out that 9-30% of their income (it wasn't possible to be more precise due to lack of data) comes from abortions.

Here you will see that 96% of the services that Planned Parenthood provided to pregnant women were abortions and that they conducted about a third of the abortions performed in the US.

No matter how you look at it the "only 3% of services are abortion" figure is highly misleading. Abortion is a key part of their business.

The only data on the other side comes from Planned Parenthood's own press releases, with their own counting methods. But would you trust a Marlboro press release which said that secondhand smoke was not dangerous?

 

[AvilaSurfer]

I thought ObamaCare was supposed to take care of all this. Why do we need Planned Parenthood?

 

[Bree H]

Fetuses are not people, according to the Catholic church. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...catholic-hospital-says-in-court-case/1863013/

 

[WarriorAngel]

Think of it like a vaccination program. Anyone can opt out at any time, including not getting one to start with. The idea is that if you actively go out of your way to give everyone a "fire and forget" contraceptive, rather than merely "making it available", more people would get it. It's not a problem for religious people, because contraception is only a problem if you're having sex, right? Well, presumably religious people wouldn't be having sex in situations likely to result in an unwanted pregnancy, so having an Implanon type implant isn't going to materially effect them. For everyone else, there are no cases of "oops, better have an abortion".

That's dangerous considering girls at age 16 arent emotionally responsible enough to make such decisions.
And since parents must leave the Dr's office - it could very well be a sold idea to the children... teens.

Then there are the health repercussions we have seen in so many implant type contraception that can cause sterilization via scarring tissue.

 

[Armoured]

Fetuses are not people, according to the Catholic church. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...catholic-hospital-says-in-court-case/1863013/

Wow.