Defunding Planned Parenthood

[mark46]

Why should it matter the child can't survive outside the womb? A child can't survive without the attention of it's mother or someone else, lest it die.

I understand. Your preference is no additional law. In that case, the 20 week standard is eliminated and =the clinics can continue to have abortion on those both under and over 20 weeks. Is that your position?

So there should be all or nothing? We should push for legislation making illegal all abortions, including the morning after pill, and the contraceptive pill. If we can't get that, we should accept nothing.

IMHO, this kind of attitude is for the self-righteous. IMHO, we should prevent as many abortions as we can.

 

[Rhamiel]

I understand. Your preference is no additional law. In that case, the 20 week standard is eliminated and =the clinics can continue to have abortion on those both under and over 20 weeks. Is that your position?

So there should be all or nothing? We should push for legislation making illegal all abortions, including the morning after pill, and the contraceptive pill. If we can't get that, we should accept nothing.

IMHO, this kind of attitude is for the self-righteous. IMHO, we should prevent as many abortions as we can.

I understand. Your preference is no additional law. In that case, the 20 week standard is eliminated and =the clinics can continue to have abortion on those both under and over 20 weeks. Is that your position?

So there should be all or nothing? We should push for legislation making illegal all abortions, including the morning after pill, and the contraceptive pill. If we can't get that, we should accept nothing.

IMHO, this kind of attitude is for the self-righteous. IMHO, we should prevent as many abortions as we can.

I think we need to do everything we can to get rid of abortion.

support a social safety net
personally give to charities that help women in need and battered women shelters
vote for politicians who have policies that support big business (sometimes it is rough balancing strong economy and social safety net)

and we have to get laws that make abortion illegal
fetal pain restrictions
no morning after pill for minors without parental consent

we can defund Planned Parenthood
we can pass laws at the state (or national level) that make it so the abortion clinic needs to have admitting privileges at a local hospital
raise standards to the point that the abortion clinic has to shut down
change zoning laws to make them move, which will be a costly thing for any business but extra hard on a medical facility
tax them into oblivion

the goal is all abortion to be illegal
but we will probably not get there in one fell swoop
so we have to take small measures
but a lot of small measures add up

 

[mark46]

BTW, if every abortion were made illegal (including the morning after pill), do you think that the number of abortions would necessarily go down?

I think we need to do everything we can to get rid of abortion.

support a social safety net
personally give to charities that help women in need and battered women shelters
vote for politicians who have policies that support big business (sometimes it is rough balancing strong economy and social safety net)

and we have to get laws that make abortion illegal
fetal pain restrictions
no morning after pill for minors without parental consent

we can defund Planned Parenthood
we can pass laws at the state (or national level) that make it so the abortion clinic needs to have admitting privileges at a local hospital
raise standards to the point that the abortion clinic has to shut down
change zoning laws to make them move, which will be a costly thing for any business but extra hard on a medical facility
tax them into oblivion

the goal is all abortion to be illegal
but we will probably not get there in one fell swoop
so we have to take small measures
but a lot of small measures add up

 

[classicalhero]

Yes, just look at Chile. People predicted that Chile would have a bad time once abortion was made illegal, but it has the second best maternity survival rate in all the Americas, just behind Canada and above the US. But making abortion legal doesn't make things better for women and Mexico shows. http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/2/e006013.full

In comparison to states with more permissive abortion legislation, those with less permissive legislation showed a more favourable profile in several indicators related to maternal healthcare and human development.

 

[MikeK]

BTW, if every abortion were made illegal (including the morning after pill), do you think that the number of abortions would necessarily go down?

I'll answer that. Yes, I do. Many people are willing to break the law, but some are not.

 

[Rhamiel]

BTW, if every abortion were made illegal (including the morning after pill), do you think that the number of abortions would necessarily go down?

well some people would have illegal abortions
but some would be afraid of going to jail
or some will just not be able to procure an abortion because the murderous doctors and nurses will be thrown in prison where they belong.

 

[Rhamiel]

also, making it illegal is not the ONLY move, I stated that before
but it is part of the endgame

 

[SolomonVII]

Whether or not the rape rate would go down, what would it say about a country that decided to make rape legal?

Laws do not solve the problem of evil. They do however let everyone know clearly and unambiguously what a country thinks is right or wrong.
The law is more than an enforcer. It is a teacher too.

 

[pdudgeon]

as a reminder, we need to get back on topic please. The topic in this thread is PP and the efforts to defund it.
please confine your discussion accordingly.

 

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