Defunding Planned Parenthood

[ebia]

Do you feel God couldnt ensure His creatures?

Eh?

 

[pdudgeon]

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

and from your same link:

Because of DECLINING growth rates, it will now take over 200 years to double again.

you have to look at the whole picture, and not just a slice of the pie.

 

[Armoured]

and from your same link:


you have to look at the whole picture, and not just a slice of the pie.

200 years to reach 14 billion is still growing, dude.

 

[MoonlessNight]

For those of you who support Planned Parenthood, could you state a hypothetical scenario in which you support defunding the organization?

 

[MikeK]

and from your same link:


you have to look at the whole picture, and not just a slice of the pie.

Huh? How long, in your opinion, should it take for the world's population to grow from 7 million to 14 million? Please answer the question directly with a number and explain your position. I think 200 years is a reasonable time span to figure out the policies and procedures required to feed, clothe, shelter and proteins healthcare for an extra 7,000,000 people.

 

[USincognito]

Didn't see which forum this was. Whoops.

 

[SolomonVII]

Now put that figure up against the "one child per family plan" in China, which not only affects today's families, but even the possibility of having a marriage or a family for the next generation and beyond, as the number of children is reduced.

Put the abortion figure up against the continuing downward spiral of stagnation of births in Europe, Scandinavia, the U. S.and in Russia where the same problem of being able to marry and have children will be reduced in each succeeding generation.

Put the abortion figure up against the campaign for same sex marriage that is crossing the globe, add in the acceptance of birth control, the 'morning after' pill, and continued abortion numbers, and see if that doesn't also lead to a decrease in the population.

every one of these above programs is directed against children with the goal of devaluing them and each succeeding generation after them.

Then you will have a much better grasp of the whole problem, and not just one slice.
the fight against abortion is just one part of the whole 'Me, Myself, and I first" syndrome,
and the " Only I Count" rotten pies with which the world is being flooded these days.

Europe is below replacement.
Iran, in which the ayatollahs started out encouraging people not to have any more children, has done an about face, as their replacement numbers have tanked like Europe's.
Japan is contemplating robots as replacements for the children Japanese are no longer having.
Russia is in a death spiral of abortion and vodka, and the Orthodox Church is being put back into service to get Russians back on the right track of producing life.
India and China have taken the planning message to heart, and modern technology has allowed for the choice of boy babies through girl abortions. That is going to be a real interesting social experiment for the next generations.
For countries like America and Canada, natural birth rate can be supplemented with foreign immigrants. That will work for a time at least.
So much for the numbers though, and the effects that failure to reproduce a next generation has on individual countries.

It is the selfishness, where people make the choice to progress their career, and terminate their own child, that degrades the spirit and the moral core of a society.
We can afford to be selfish, if we do not have any skin in the game beyond our own four score plus or minus twenty, if we do not invest into a future shared with our society through our children.
It is a selfishness too that the Bible records in people wanting to carry on their name through their children, in a world where immortality was left in the Garden of Eden.
But it is a selfishness that has been given a divine sanction, and a selfishness that ties people to their society and their nation, through their children.

 

[MikeK]

Europe is below replacement.
Iran, in which the ayatollahs started out encouraging people not to have any more children, has done an about face, as their replacement numbers have tanked like Europe's.
Japan is contemplating robots as replacements for the children Japanese are no longer having.
Russia is in a death spiral of abortion and vodka, and the Orthodox Church is being put back into service to get Russians back on the right track of producing life.
India and China have taken the planning message to heart, and modern technology has allowed for the choice of boy babies through girl abortions. That is going to be a real interesting social experiment for the next generations.
For countries like America and Canada, natural birth rate can be supplemented with foreign immigrants. That will work for a time at least.
So much for the numbers though, and the effects that failure to reproduce a next generation has on individual countries.

It is the selfishness, where people make the choice to progress their career, and terminate their own child, that degrades the spirit and the moral core of a society.
We can afford to be selfish, if we do not have any skin in the game beyond our own four score plus or minus twenty, if we do not invest into a future shared with our society through our children.
It is a selfishness too that the Bible records in people wanting to carry on their name through their children, in a world where immortality was left in the Garden of Eden.
But it is a selfishness that has been given a divine sanction, and a selfishness that ties people to their society and their nation, through their children.

Right on. That's why, with 5 children so far, I'm electing to do my part. If I do my part and you do your part, others will see how full of evident joy our lives of service to Christ, family and country are and will want to follow suit. There are lots of zero, one or two child families out there selling the lie that large families are not compatible with a happy, full life. You and I have the power to make a difference!

 

[classicalhero]

Well, here is the conundrum:

- Democrats fund non-abortion related programs at Planned Parenthood. Because abortion is not funded, no babies, pre-born or born, are killed.

- Republicans defund Planned Parenthood--callous to the consequences. They're certainly not in favor of giving the babies "a chance to endure."

So what's worse? Democrats, who wants babies to endure but is denying them "the chance to be conceived?" (As long as that is also the wish of the couples involved.)

Or Republicans, who want every baby to have "a chance to be conceived" but want to deny them the assistance required to endure?

Isn't that point of Obamcare to provide such service via your health care provider, so why does PP even need any funding based on this?

 

[Fantine]

I recognize that industrialized countries are facing problems because their populations are declining. This is why immigration can be helpful to these countries--immigrants, usually hardworking and young, and, where border security is a problem, "survivors," shore up our Social Security and Medicare systems.

But one of our main problems is that technology and globalization have diminished job opportunities for so many young people. Unemployment is rampant among black American youth, and in Italy youth unemployment is as high as 25%. The reason, of course, is greed.

When I was young, magazine articles stated that technology would lead to 30-hour work weeks and 6-week vacations. Instead, people are working longer hours than ever in the name of "productivity" and shareholder profits. In the meantime, millions are unemployed while workers are overworked.

If we ever want to revive our population numbers, we must create job opportunities for all, and--despite what Jeb Bush says--dividing the available work among the available workers is the only solution, even if some poor wage slave working unpaid overtime has the opportunity to get home to watch his son's Little League game. What's wrong with that?

 

[Armoured]

For those of you who support Planned Parenthood, could you state a hypothetical scenario in which you support defunding the organization?

When they stop providing necessary services.

 

[Arcangl86]

Has it been mentioned that PP abortion centers are separate entities and do not get government funding to begin with?

 

[Rhamiel]

When they stop providing necessary services.

the same justification could have been said for Nazi Germany
"well yeah, they kill a lot of people, but wow, look at those nifty roads they built"

 

[Arcangl86]

the same justification could have been said for Nazi Germany
"well yeah, they kill a lot of people, but wow, look at those nifty roads they built"

Except removing federal funding from PP won't stop the abortion centers.

 

[Rhamiel]

Except removing federal funding from PP won't stop the abortion centers.

I think you would be surprised how many abortion clinics close down if we defund PP

 

[SolomonVII]

the same justification could have been said for Nazi Germany
"well yeah, they kill a lot of people, but wow, look at those nifty roads they built"

It does not seem like a very good idea, to depend on psychopaths to provide essential health services, does it?

 

[Armoured]

And for the precisely the same reason, one should be careful to discuss things on their merits, rather than emotive stereotypes.

 

[Armoured]

I think you would be surprised how many abortion clinics close down if we defund PP

Surprise us, then?

 

[ebia]

I think you would be surprised how many abortion clinics close down if we defund PP

why?

 

[ebia]

Hint: if, instead of talking about defunding PP, the talk had been of beginning funding a range of other agencies to provide the needed services, and a plan to shift all that funding and work across, transitioned over a realistic timeframe, you'd get a lot less negative reaction.