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Defining sola scriptura.

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CaliforniaJosiah

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Now, how about providing us with your definition of sola scriptura, the one whcih allows you to read your bible and pass your private judgement on the content within, because unless you're norming dogma, the definition in post #11 is not for you.


Impossible. No such definition of the practice exists.


See post 497 (provided here for you...., in response to you stating the identical same thing)

You won't find that because there is no such definition (except in the imagination of Catholics and Mormons).


On the OTHER issue, I AGREE with you. Self insisting that self exclusively is the sole, unaccountable, authoritarian interpreter of Scripture is unbiblical, wrong and dangerous. But of course, there is only one main denomination that does what we both reject: Yours. The RC Denomination. See what it itself insists about it itself in the latest edition of the ever-changing Catechism of it itself # 85. Then spend all the rest of your days on Earth and in Purgatory searching every other Catechism of every other denomination on the planet for another denomination stating what yours does, what we both reject. You won't find one (*), no matter how long you live or spend in Purgatory, no matter how hard you search - you won't find another because there is no other. Just yours. Just the RC Denomination. Uniquely, exclusively, solely, singularly, individually - just it. You only are condemning your own denomination in the Catechism it itself wrote about it itself, #85.


But let's return to the actual definition. And perhaps leave your condemnation of the RC Denomination's insistence of it itself for it itself of being the only unaccountable, authoritarian interpreter to another day and thread?



Thank you.


pax


- Josiah



* Actually, the early LDS did the same thing, but officially abandoned that over a century ago, leaving the RCC alone in what you condemn. And I do not include here the "cults" just denominations largely regarded as Christian (you will find "cults" doing this - but lets leave them out of the discussion).



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You won't find that because there is no such definition (except in the imagination of Catholics and Mormons).

Really, so I won't have sola scripturist presenting the bible to me anymore accompanied by their personal opinions? That would be refreshing.
 
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What a strange thing to say. Is this really what your argument has been reduced to?

Now, how about providing us with your definition of sola scriptura, the one whcih allows you to read your bible and pass your private judgement on the content within, because unless you're norming dogma, the definition in post #11 is not for you.

I'm not arguing,... I'm agreeing with your personal choice to believe what you have personally chosen to believe.
Alice was considered strange in Wonderland, too.
 
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Impossible. No such definition of the practice exists.


That's going to be a disappointment for your fellow sola scripturists. They think sola scriptura allows for their personal reading of scripture and the private rendering of judgement.

Unless you're norming dogma, sola scriptura is not for you. Therefore, sola scriptura is limited to small groups of churchmen and is not applicable for the average bible reader.
 
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Really, so I won't have sola scripturist presenting the bible to me anymore accompanied by their personal opinions?


You might, that just has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. You may find one who employes Sola Scriptura handing you a cup of coffee or eating a cheeseburger or wearing a baseball cap or walking a dog - but that doesn't mean ergo the definition of Sola Scriptura is "handing you a cup of coffee" etc. Come on..... Sometimes, these discussions are beyond silly, below what we SHOULD expect here at CF. But on this topic, it's just the same thing from Catholics and Mormons.... over and over, thread after thread, year after year.... no matter what.

We KNOW you must protest this practice and we all know WHY. But all this silliness..... well, it's just silly.


And sure, I agree with your condemnation of self insisting that self alone is the sole, infallible, unaccountable, authoritarian interpreter of Scripture - but that's an issue for you to take to your own denomination as the only one that does what you condemn. And an issue for another day and thread.






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I see you personally choosing what you believe.

I'm not arguing,... I'm agreeing with your personal choice to believe what you have personally chosen to believe.
Alice was considered strange in Wonderland, too.

So you don read the bible and only believe what your told by the church of your personal choice.

I get that.

Maybe I'm wrong Rick, but I think you just suggested that I don't practice a personal reading of the Sacred Scriptures, (as the Church encourages me to do) and I mindlessly accept the teachings of the Church.

For a thread about sola scriptura, let me say I find this misguided characterization of me incredibly lame. I'm not the subject of this thread. Sola scriptura is. So, how about providing us with your definition, because unless your norming dogma, the definition offeried us in post #11 is not for you.
 
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You might, that just has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

I remember you and your sola scripturist friends having a good guffaw at my posting of scripture implying I was employing the principle/praxis/teaching/doctrine of sola scriptura. Since I was not norming any dogma, how could this be? You just admitted that posting scripture does not equate sola scriptura. Your own behavior contradicts what you profess your churchman to practice.
 
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Scripture teaches clearly that His church is called the body of Christ, many members and yet one body.
While I might agree with your statement, I don't know where it is in Scripture. It's a doctrine, though.
Are you really going to pretend that only Catholics make up His body? I can''t imagine why anyone would want to think like that, let alone think like that.
That's a problem with Protestants...they can't imagine a lot of things.
Why? Don't they know everything about the end times? Or are they just guessing about amillennialism and things like that?

Yes, we know everything that's essential. WE WIN.
 
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See, what I mean by the church of God is exactly what the holy scriptures say about the church of God, that it is His body, many members and yet one body.

It's exclusive to no denomination and consists of each and every person who has trusted in the precious shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins, and the LORD Himself (alone) adding them to His body by sealing them with the Holy Spirit, baptizing them into that one body by one Spirit.

In the Bible, there are no denominations. That's why it's exclusive to no denomination. It is exclusive to His Church. But there's three parts to being part of the Body of Christ. Receiving Him, Believing in Him and then being born again of water and spirit.
 
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That would be the view of most Christians. But we do know that certain denominations, including the Mormons, Roman Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and some others that are very well-known, do think that theirs is the only one that God cares about.

That's considered so eccentric and, frankly, absurd by members of the thousands of other denominations that it usually just rolls off their backs when it's said to them, and they don't even bother to consider it an insult, even though it is intended as such.

Some Catholics may think that, but the Church does not teach that.
 
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I remember you and your sola scripturist friends having a good guffaw at my posting of scripture implying I was employing the principle/praxis/teaching/doctrine of sola scriptura. Since I was not norming any dogma, how could this be?
You were relying upon Scripture to guide your decision.

There's no guarantee that you will use it correctly.
 
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Since the Bible is incomplete, meaning sola Scriptura is incomplete , meaning it needs something else to supplement it; i.e., the spoken or historically recorded word which we call Tradition.

Why not the magic 8-ball instead? It's easier to use and gives out with fewer conflicting replies.
 
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The Holy Bible tells us that it is incomplete, so, sola Scriptura is incomplete.

No, the Bible does NOT tell us it is "incomplete." In fact it says just the opposite. :doh:

Putting down the Bible is one thing, but there's no justification for misrepresenting its contents.
 
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