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No? People have been given the death penalty on less evidence than God has going for Him. So why is God special all the sudden?Not exactly strong...
You? No, no, you misunderstand. You stated that there isn't evidence for Christianity's claims, no? What evidence will you accept? Empirical? Legal? Complete certainty? What is your criteria for evidence? I mean, if the claims of Christianity can be proven using some criteria I'd like to give it a shot. Who knows? It might help those struggling in their faith.I'm confused about what you think I'm supposed to be proving.
Thank you to everyone who has tried to help, I am a little overwhelmed by the response...
I am trying to think about all that has been said, and work out where I really am. It's hard, mainly because I am afraid of where it will lead. But I do appreciate the prayers and advice you have offered. I can't talk to anyone in 'real life' about it, so it does help to be able to talk here.
Thank you to everyone who has tried to help, I am a little overwhelmed by the response...
I am trying to think about all that has been said, and work out where I really am. It's hard, mainly because I am afraid of where it will lead. But I do appreciate the prayers and advice you have offered. I can't talk to anyone in 'real life' about it, so it does help to be able to talk here.
I think it is important for good people such as yourself and Criada to try to remember that our faith is not a destination but a journey.
This journey takes us to lots of different places, and to meet lots of different people. Some of them will agree with us, some of them will disagree, and some will cause us to doubt our own beliefs.
All that matters in the end is whether you want to make this journey with Christ beside you, or without. It is not about believing the same as anyone else on earth, it is not about pure orthodoxy of faith with any denomination, it is not about believing the Scriptures as if they were God himself. It is about Christ.
The Lord will not abandon you, whatever you decide. You can decide to turn away from the Christian journey for 20 or 30 or 40 years, and then one day realise that there he is, just where he has always been. But you can make a choice about knowing he is there, or trying to go it alone.
Whatever you decide, I wish you peace of mind, and may God be with you.
I'm quite sure there are plenty of people, myself included, who would love to chat with you via MSN or Skype or something, if that would help more than the forums. You know where to find us.Thank you to everyone who has tried to help, I am a little overwhelmed by the response...
I am trying to think about all that has been said, and work out where I really am. It's hard, mainly because I am afraid of where it will lead. But I do appreciate the prayers and advice you have offered. I can't talk to anyone in 'real life' about it, so it does help to be able to talk here.
Thank you, Dawn
I hope that will be my experience.. right now I can't honestly say that I believe it will, but... if I could find a way back, I would. I miss that relationship... but it just isn't there at the moment, and perhaps I was fooling myself that it ever was...
Being kind to yourself won't kill anyone...being martyr to a cause can cause all sorts of damage. imo.
Thank you, Dawn
I hope that will be my experience.. right now I can't honestly say that I believe it will, but... if I could find a way back, I would. I miss that relationship... but it just isn't there at the moment, and perhaps I was fooling myself that it ever was...
Indeed! Foremost in my mind is the book Jesus Freaks, that book is so inspiring. And the first martyr, Stephen, is an inspiration to a young man I know by that same name. Suffering is definitely used for good in God's Kingdom. Doesn't make it any less painful, though...We know that being a "martyr" for Christ not only it has not caused any damage either but that very thing is what brought about the faith and hope in billions over billions of people.
Pwnzer, let me get straight to the point rather than continuing to dodge around. I've been around apologetics long enough to know that when someone labels something as 'ridiculous' or 'exaggerated', they often aren't there to discuss something but to win a fight. And I've certainly been here when general apologetics was around, so I'm no stranger to the accusations you're making about the Bible.
However, you raised these issues in a thread where someone is struggling with where they're at, and that's just not cool. It's inappropriate, rude, and inconsiderate. As a Christian, I ask that you respect my religion enough to be considerate of those who are struggling with it and not cause further confusion. Please, go raise your issues in philosophy or something.
I don't have a problem with people expressing their own opinions... would be nice if you could try not to fight over it, though!
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