Death Toll To Go Up 65% By The End Of October

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How do you know he owes no favours to elements outside of the US? How do you know that he can stimulate business or the economy? How would you describe his efforts to have the British Open moved to his golf club? How do you know he is not an elitist? How do you know that the crime in cities is caused by the ‘liberals’ who live there?
I read different news sources liberal and conservative, I watch different news sources including CNN and MSNBC along with the major networks, I compare, process and remember. I think therefore I am. (René Descartes)
 
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I read different news sources liberal and conservative, I watch different news sources including CNN and MSNBC along with the major networks, I compare, process and remember. I think therefore I am. (René Descartes)

As I thought, bluster but no answer....

And your Descartes reference is clumsily inappropriate. He was offering a proof of existence, not mental acuity......sigh.
 
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As I thought, bluster but no answer....

And your Descartes reference is clumsily inappropriate. He was offering a proof of existence, not mental acuity......sigh.
no kidding, the meaning is in the eye of the beholder. Thanks for using the link I provided on Descartes, philosophy was one of my favorite subjects.
 
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He is not a liberal

He used to be a registered Democrat (circa 2001)

or a globalist or an elitist

A man who was technically made a millionaire at age 8 by his incredibly wealthy father is, pretty much, by definition, an "elitist". His entire fortune rested on Fred Trump's support. In fact he specifically wanted to go to Wharton because it had elite cache. He originally was at Fordham for a couple years but realized he needed that "elite" cache of UPenn so he enrolled in Wharton (also got someone else to take his SAT's...something non-elites like you and I couldn't really do)

, is not afraid to say what he thinks

This is 100% true. But then the same can be said of sociopaths.

and is obligated to no one.

Except his father, the banks who repeatedly bailed him out and allowed him to continue through the numerous bankruptcies in the 80's and 90's and the banks in Russia who continued to loan him money while most western banks no longer trusted him.

He owes no favors to lobbyists or people who have benefited his family members.

That doesn't seem likely. Considering that few if any billionaires are purely free of encumbrances.

Fred Trump was extremely politically connected which is how he set his son, Donald, up for success. Even in Manhattan Fred had pull. Multibillionaires don't usually spring up without some connections...and by definition..."favors owed".

He knows how to stimulate business and the economy.

That's questionable given his shoddy business practices which resulted in multiple bankruptcies (including a casino! How does one drive a casino into the ground? ). But I will give him credit for continuing and expanding the economic growth that started under Obama. He did do that well. (Until he mishandled COVID so badly that we are no looking down the barrel of a Depression to make the 1930's look like a cake walk...but that's still "TBD")

He is not trying to rewrite American history

That probably sounds good so long as no on bothers to remember American history. But it is also highly unlikely Trump actually knows any American history per se.

and he is not trying to radically change our nation or our values.

Denigrating the free press, labeling anyone who opposes him "enemies" of the United States, currying favor with every dictator on the world stage and insulting every ally we have is not what I would call "American Values".

Sorry if you do not see the value in those qualities.

I see values in those qualities...but I don't see those qualities in Trump.

I do not want our nation to end up like Venezuela

You mean like a third world country with a strong-man dictator-type leader who lives by "cult-of-personality" rules? We have a much higher death rate than most of the developed world due to COVID and it's climbing (unlike most of the developed world). We have third-world levels of income inequality. We have a leader who is fanning out unmarked vans with mysterious government figures to round up protestors.

I'd say we are pretty much in "Banana Republic" zone now.

or some of our cities that have been mismanaged by liberals and suffer civil unrest and incredible crime where children and babies are killed with no end in sight. Questions?

No, you summarized it nicely. Thanks!
 
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He used to be a registered Democrat (circa 2001)



A man who was technically made a millionaire at age 8 by his incredibly wealthy father is, pretty much, by definition, an "elitist". His entire fortune rested on Fred Trump's support. In fact he specifically wanted to go to Wharton because it had elite cache. He originally was at Fordham for a couple years but realized he needed that "elite" cache of UPenn so he enrolled in Wharton (also got someone else to take his SAT's...something non-elites like you and I couldn't really do)



This is 100% true. But then the same can be said of sociopaths.



Except his father, the banks who repeatedly bailed him out and allowed him to continue through the numerous bankruptcies in the 80's and 90's and the banks in Russia who continued to loan him money while most western banks no longer trusted him.



That doesn't seem likely. Considering that few if any billionaires are purely free of encumbrances.

Fred Trump was extremely politically connected which is how he set his son, Donald, up for success. Even in Manhattan Fred had pull. Multibillionaires don't usually spring up without some connections...and by definition..."favors owed".



That's questionable given his shoddy business practices which resulted in multiple bankruptcies (including a casino! How does one drive a casino into the ground? ). But I will give him credit for continuing and expanding the economic growth that started under Obama. He did do that well. (Until he mishandled COVID so badly that we are no looking down the barrel of a Depression to make the 1930's look like a cake walk...but that's still "TBD")



That probably sounds good so long as no on bothers to remember American history. But it is also highly unlikely Trump actually knows any American history per se.



Denigrating the free press, labeling anyone who opposes him "enemies" of the United States, currying favor with every dictator on the world stage and insulting every ally we have is not what I would call "American Values".



I see values in those qualities...but I don't see those qualities in Trump.



You mean like a third world country with a strong-man dictator-type leader who lives by "cult-of-personality" rules? We have a much higher death rate than most of the developed world due to COVID and it's climbing (unlike most of the developed world). We have third-world levels of income inequality. We have a leader who is fanning out unmarked vans with mysterious government figures to round up protestors.

I'd say we are pretty much in "Banana Republic" zone now.



No, you summarized it nicely. Thanks!
Well if you had accepted anything favorable about Trump I would not know how to deal with it.
 
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You forgot, you made a claim a long time ago and then ducked. You tried to shift the burden of proof. That was an admission that you were wrong. That is why you earned a "try again".
OK I do not agree with you but that is fine and should be expected.
 
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He used to be a registered Democrat (circa 2001)



A man who was technically made a millionaire at age 8 by his incredibly wealthy father is, pretty much, by definition, an "elitist". His entire fortune rested on Fred Trump's support. In fact he specifically wanted to go to Wharton because it had elite cache. He originally was at Fordham for a couple years but realized he needed that "elite" cache of UPenn so he enrolled in Wharton (also got someone else to take his SAT's...something non-elites like you and I couldn't really do)



This is 100% true. But then the same can be said of sociopaths.



Except his father, the banks who repeatedly bailed him out and allowed him to continue through the numerous bankruptcies in the 80's and 90's and the banks in Russia who continued to loan him money while most western banks no longer trusted him.



That doesn't seem likely. Considering that few if any billionaires are purely free of encumbrances.

Fred Trump was extremely politically connected which is how he set his son, Donald, up for success. Even in Manhattan Fred had pull. Multibillionaires don't usually spring up without some connections...and by definition..."favors owed".



That's questionable given his shoddy business practices which resulted in multiple bankruptcies (including a casino! How does one drive a casino into the ground? ). But I will give him credit for continuing and expanding the economic growth that started under Obama. He did do that well. (Until he mishandled COVID so badly that we are no looking down the barrel of a Depression to make the 1930's look like a cake walk...but that's still "TBD")



That probably sounds good so long as no on bothers to remember American history. But it is also highly unlikely Trump actually knows any American history per se.



Denigrating the free press, labeling anyone who opposes him "enemies" of the United States, currying favor with every dictator on the world stage and insulting every ally we have is not what I would call "American Values".



I see values in those qualities...but I don't see those qualities in Trump.



You mean like a third world country with a strong-man dictator-type leader who lives by "cult-of-personality" rules? We have a much higher death rate than most of the developed world due to COVID and it's climbing (unlike most of the developed world). We have third-world levels of income inequality. We have a leader who is fanning out unmarked vans with mysterious government figures to round up protestors.

I'd say we are pretty much in "Banana Republic" zone now.



No, you summarized it nicely. Thanks!
Those opinions are less than interesting and not at all surprising
 
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Are you saying you might be willing accept anything about Trump that is positive?

As I said, I won’t know till I’ve heard any.

Up till now, I’ve heard his acolytes flatter him, exaggerate for him and lie for him. I haven’t heard or seen anything positive about him yet, whether it be his job as president, his abilities with finances, his support for laws, or simply his character as an honourable man...

You got any...?
 
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As I said, I won’t know till I’ve heard any.

Up till now, I’ve heard his acolytes flatter him, exaggerate for him and lie for him. I haven’t heard or seen anything positive about him yet, whether it be his job as president, his abilities with finances, his support for laws, or simply his character as an honourable man...

You got any...?
actually I think you will have to find them on your own, you can do it if you try just a little.
 
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Well if you had accepted anything favorable about Trump I would not know how to deal with it.
Trump has done some minor things correctly. But for the most part he has been a disaster. If one looks at graphs of the economy one can see that the growth we experienced during Trump's reign until the Covid19 crisis you will see that we only had the same rate of growth as under Obama. The problem was that some of his means of keeping it going were artificial. His deficit spending instead of decreasing, which is what should happen during a good economy, was increasing.

Obama had cut deficit spending after the recession ended. Trump should have cut it more so that we would have a prolonged period before the next recession (and recessions do occur no matter what we do) instead his YOLO tactics only give a good economy today and was doomed to fail sooner or later. Covid19 made it sooner. Much sooner. We can't blame him for that but we can blame him for the poor handling of it. Compare our cases to Europe. It is obvious that we did something terribly wong.
 
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