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Well it seems you don't actually have your own original ideas to contribute to this discussion...what year did Yeshua die according to you? And what historical evidence do you have to back it up?
So what date exactly did Yeshua die in your view since that's what the discussion of this thread is about?Are you responding to me? You didn't quote either of my previous posts to you. If you cannot be clear and concise then how can you fault others for not being able to read your mind? Moreover, imo, throwing out dates isn't how we get to the truth. My main reasons for how and what I understand and believe are expounded in the scripture: but comprehension is required.
In the case with what I offered on the previous page, the rain is the Spirit in the prophecy: for Elohim pours out His Spirit, (living water), just as He pours out rain upon the earth. From the commencement of the ministry of Eliyah there were three years and six months without rain, when the heavens were shut up in the days of Eliyah, (Luke 4:25), and therefore, when all the people had been immersed, it came to pass that the Meshiah was also immersed, (Luke 3:21). And what happenes then? The rain comes, (Luke 3:22).
It seems you failed to notice or heed what is stated in Luke 3:21, that all the people had been immersed, and in the Gospel of Luke that process commences with the commencement of the public ministry of Yohanne, when the Rhema-Word of Elohim comes to him, that is, in Luke 3:2.
So what date exactly did Yeshua die in your view since that's what the discussion of this thread is about?
Well it seems you don't actually have your own original ideas to contribute to this discussion...what year did Yeshua die according to you? And what historical evidence do you have to back it up?
So what date exactly did Yeshua die in your view since that's what the discussion of this thread is about?
SO! What I'd like to know is all the reasons why you think [Insert Date] is the year of Christ's crucifixion.
Right so you have a problem because John dies before the end of Yeshua's ministry. Luke 3 is clear that Yeshua began His ministry at 29 going on 30 in the 15th Year of Tiberius.
Apparently it is at least three years and six months beyond what you claim. However you already have what I have posted thus far herein, and if indeed you are the historian and chronologist you claim to be then you should have no problem figuring out what I believe from that information: just adhere to the scripture. What a shame, after all the threads you have posted around here: it's back to the drawing board for you because you did not heed the scripture. But I am quite sure you will do no such thing.
Right so you have a problem because John dies before the end of Yeshua's ministry. Luke 3 is clear that Yeshua began His ministry at 29 going on 30 in the 15th Year of Tiberius.
You use the supposed 3½ Year Ministry of John to assert a 3½ Year Ministry of Christ...yet you're unable to explain why John died before the 3½ Year Ministry of Yeshua was over. And then you contradict yourself again by saying that John had already preached for 3½ Years by asserting that much time passed between Luke 3:2 and 21.No, that isn't true: it's your false premise that disallows you from seeing what has been said. Why should Yohanne being imprisoned and then beheaded have any impact on what I have presented? It doesn't.
However you do have a problem, as already stated, for you ignore the three years and six months between Luke 3:2 and the immersion in Luke 3:22, in which time frame all the people were immersed, (as stated in Luke 3:21).
Apparently you are not quite ready to believe that Yohanne is Eliyah as the Meshiah says, ("if you will receive it"), which was already quoted from Matthew 11. And therefore you disregard what is taught in the scripture concerning the ministry of Eliyah, as also already quoted from, referenced, and cited multiple times from 1 Kings 17 and the statement in Luke 4.
Why would you do such things if you are the seasoned historian and chronologist you claim to be? No doubt so that you may sideline the logos-reasoning and wisdom in the actual scripture contexts and defer to your own reasoning. The rest of what you offered is therefore rendered irrelevant at this point, and besides, I've already seen all of it anyway.
You use the supposed 3½ Year Ministry of John to assert a 3½ Year Ministry of Christ...
yet you're unable to explain why John died before the 3½ Year Ministry of Yeshua was over.
And then you contradict yourself again by saying that John had already preached for 3½ Years by asserting that much time passed between Luke 3:2 and 21.
Clearly you can't produce any historical documents to back up your claims.
Apparently you're back peddling now and pretend to have amnesia because you lost track of your own words which I will reproduce here:Would it be possible for you to stop making false claims? Please quote the post where I asserted that the ministry of the Meshiah was three and a half years so I can correct it: otherwise please stop making false claims about what I have said.
So what date exactly did Yeshua die in your view since that's what the discussion of this thread is about?
Apparently it is at least three years and six months beyond what you claim. However you already have what I have posted thus far herein, and if indeed you are the historian and chronologist you claim to be then you should have no problem figuring out what I believe from that information: just adhere to the scripture. What a shame, after all the threads you have posted around here: it's back to the drawing board for you because you did not heed the scripture. But I am quite sure you will do no such thing.
Apparently you're back peddling now and pretend to have amnesia because you lost track of your own words which I will reproduce here:
It's clear that you claim Yeshua's ministry to last 3.5 Years and have used the passage from kings about Elijah stopping the rain for 3.5 Years to justify your claim.
If you're going to actually make the ministry of John make sense and connect Baptism and Rain: then you would need to count his time in the wilderness as the start point and the baptism of Yeshua as the end point.
As I thought...you're great at finding fault but can't produce any original ideas of your own. You criticize historians and chronologists with your inflated and slanderous tongue, yet you can't even adequately account for your own view.No, I didn't say what you claim. You've made it clear that you have no reading comprehension.
As I thought...you're great at finding fault but can't produce any original ideas of your own. You criticize historians and chronologists with your inflated and slanderous tongue, yet you can't even adequately account for your own view.
But why should this be a suprise? Your base slander is no better than Shimei who hurled dust and stones at men greater than himself, nor are you far removed from Thersites: however if the sword of Abishai or the staff of Odysseus were to strike your back, how your tongue would howl and whimper. The Lord knows what to do with men of your sort.
So what date exactly did Yeshua die in your view since that's what the discussion of this thread is about?
Apparently it is at least three years and six months beyond what you claim. However you already have what I have posted thus far herein, and if indeed you are the historian and chronologist you claim to be then you should have no problem figuring out what I believe from that information: just adhere to the scripture. What a shame, after all the threads you have posted around here: it's back to the drawing board for you because you did not heed the scripture. But I am quite sure you will do no such thing.
Contradicting yourself yet again...you claim the beginning of Yeshua's ministry began at immersion and you also said earlier that His death was 3.5 Years later...and hilariously enough you then claim that you never said His ministry to last 3.5 Years...Speaking the truth is slander? It's you who keeps claiming that I have said things which I have not said. Moreover if you had understood what I meant by what I said you would understand that I believe the ministry of the Meshiah begins exactly where Luke 3 says: at his immersion. How you can construe that to mean that his ministry runs congruent with the three years and six months between Luke 3:2 and the immersion of Meshiah is beyond me. Once again it just shows that you are not comprehending what you read. And if you cannot comprehend my words then why should I believe that you comprehend the scripture or any of the other historical documents which you quote to make your claims?
Contradicting yourself yet again...you claim the beginning of Yeshua's ministry began at immersion and you also said earlier that His death was 3.5 Years later...and hilariously enough you then claim that you never said His ministry to last 3.5 Years...
I truly do pity you brother...I will leave you the key to unshackle the chain around your neck so that when you decide to leave the Cave of Darkness you may then reach the entrance of it and see the Light of Truth. Your eyes will need time to adjust but I guarantee you that the World of Light far surpasses the Cave of Darkness many men have been accustomed to living in.No, I didn't say that. I said that apparently it is at least three years and six months later than you claim because you choose not to recognize the three years and six months between Luke 3:2 and the immersion of the Meshiah. Those three years and six months of the public ministry of Yohanne do not impact the length of the ministry of the Meshiah, and therefore I said, "at least".
I truly do pity you brother...I will leave you the key to unshackle the chain around your neck so that when you decide to leave the Cave of Darkness you may then reach the entrance of it and see the Light of Truth. Your eyes will need time to adjust but I guarantee you that the World of Light far surpasses the Cave of Darkness many men have been accustomed to living in.
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