Darwinism: Science or philosophy?

[Christian Soldier]

Anti-Christian bigots claim that Hitler's anti-Semitism was based on his alleged Christian beliefs. However, in Mein Kampf, Hitler ridiculed and criticized Christian anti-Semitism at length.

"The anti-Semitism of the new movement was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge. The reason for the intrusion of this mistake was the same which brought about the second fallacy."

"It is obvious that combating Jewry on such a basis could provide the Jews with small cause for concern. If the worst came to the worst, a splash of baptismal water could always save the business and the Jew at the same time. With such a superficial motivation, a serious scientific treatment of the whole problem was never achieved, and as a result far too many people, to whom this type of anti-Semitism was bound to be incomprehensible, were repelled."

"It was a sham anti-Semitism which was almost worse than none at all; for it lulled people into security; they thought they had the foe by the ears, while in reality they themselves were being led by the nose. In a short time the Jew had become so accustomed to this type of anti-Semitism that he would have missed its disappearance more than its presence inconvenienced him."

"The Pan-German movement was right in its theoretical view about the aim of a German renascence, but unfortunate in its choice of methods. It was nationalistic, but unhappily not socialistic enough to win the masses. But its anti-Semitism was based on a correct understanding of the importance of the racial problem, and not on religious ideas."

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

 

[blader]

Anti-Christian bigots claim that Hitler's anti-Semitism was based on his alleged Christian beliefs. However, in Mein Kampf, Hitler ridiculed and criticized Christian anti-Semitism at length.

This "anti-Christian bigot" is particularly bigoted against the "Christian anti-semitism bigotry" you mentioned.

 

[Didaskomenos]

 

[blader]

Originally posted by Didaskomenos
Blader,

What is the point of your signature? What good does it do to make fun of, call attention to, or otherwise berate instances of pseudo-Christianity with dire consequences? You probably intend it for shock value, but the most shocking thing is the thought that you might actually believe that Christianity properly understood leads to monstrous things like the mind of Hitler. This is a textbook straw-man. You don't like straw-men, do you?

Unless you actually believe Christianity = Hitler, the only possible reason you would keep this signature would be to demonstrate bigotry that celebrates ignorance, to a degree on par with Nick, Kent Hovind, or AIG. I suppose you have a right to be that way; I just thought better of you than that.

You are of course correct on all points. The signature is gone.

 

[Christian Soldier]

"This "anti-Christian bigot" is particularly bigoted against the "Christian anti-semitism bigotry" you mentioned."

Your pious platitude is meaningless, and intended to cover up the fact that you have no response to my documented Hitler quotes. They clearly prove that Hitler's virulent anti-Semitism wasn't based on Christian beliefs.

As a Jew by birth and Christian by faith, I am opposed to anti-Semitism in any form. I can state unequivocally that the overwhelming majority of Christians are not anti-Semitic. In fact, most staunch Christians are very pro-Jewish and pro-Israel.

 

[chickenman]

oh come on didaskomenos, it gives CS something to argue about

 

[Didaskomenos]

Thanks, blader - that was truly noble of you. My post is deleted as well.

 

[Didaskomenos]

Originally posted by chickenman
oh come on didaskomenos, it gives CS something to argue about

Well, let's try this: tell him that evolutionists have decided the sky is blue. Then we get to see how quickly he'll cook up some biblical scientific evidence to refute that view.

 

[blader]

Originally posted by Christian Soldier
"This "anti-Christian bigot" is particularly bigoted against the "Christian anti-semitism bigotry" you mentioned."

Your pious platitude is meaningless, and intended to cover up the fact that you have no response to my documented Hitler quotes. They clearly prove that Hitler's virulent anti-Semitism wasn't based on Christian beliefs.

As a Jew by birth and Christian by faith, I am opposed to anti-Semitism in any form. I can state unequivocally that the overwhelming majority of Christians are not anti-Semitic. In fact, most staunch Christians are very pro-Jewish and pro-Israel.

Uhm, okay. I don't see why exactly I was obligated to respond to quotes that show "Hitler's virulent anti-Semitism wasn't based on Christian beliefs." I never said that Hitler's anti-Semitism was because of his Christianity. I never claimed THAT ANYTHING Hitler has done was the result of his Christianity. Again you attribute claims that I never made to myself.

My use of the phrase "Christian anti-Semitism," was actually quoting you:

Hitler ridiculed and criticized Christian anti-Semitism at length.

So what point exactly were you trying to make, and what response did I owe you for the post? My only claim was that Hitler was a Christian, who happened to be Hitler. You have yet to refute this.

As a Jew by birth and Christian by faith, I am opposed to anti-Semitism in any form. I can state unequivocally that the overwhelming majority of Christians are not anti-Semitic. In fact, most staunch Christians are very pro-Jewish and pro-Israel.

Sure. And I will state that the overwhelming majority of Christians are not genocidal war mongering maniacs. Or anti-semitic. (The KKK are, of course, not included in this majority of Christians.) Wow. We agreed on something.

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by Christian Soldier
As a Jew by birth and Christian by faith, I am opposed to anti-Semitism in any form.

Ya see, ya got it all wrong. As a Christian, you're supposed to hate yourself as a Jew and hope you get cursed. Wait a minute..."the error of Balaam" suddenly comes to mind.

Seriously, during my early days as a Christian, I was surrounded by other Christians who seemed to have almost an obsession about Jewish people. I wondered what the heck I was missing, because I didn't really give a hoot either way about the Jews. So I prayed about it. And what do you know? G~d went and gave me a heart for the Jews. He must kinda like 'em or something.

 

[Sky]

The KKK are not true Christians.

 

[blader]

Originally posted by Sky77
The KKK are not true Christians.

They devoutly, fervently, fanatically, believe that they are. That is enough.

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by blader
They devoutly, fervently, fanatically, believe that they are. That is enough.

I believe I'm a scientist.

 

[blader]

Originally posted by npetreley


I believe I'm a scientist.

It didn't take a degree to become a Christian last time I checked.

 

[Christian Soldier]

"Well, let's try this: tell him that evolutionists have decided the sky is blue. Then we get to see how quickly he'll cook up some biblical scientific evidence to refute that view."

You apparently don't read well. In my posts on evolution, I don't cite the Bible. It's not necessary. I often use quotes from evolutionists themselves, like the ones I posted that clearly refute gradualist evolution. Of course, evolutionists choose to remain in complete denial, even when it's painfully obvious they've lost rather badly.

 

[Christian Soldier]

"So what point exactly were you trying to make, and what response did I owe you for the post? My only claim was that Hitler was a Christian, who happened to be Hitler. You have yet to refute this."

I refuted you long ago, you're simply not intelligent enough or well-read to realize it. You're a mere bigot, no better than those who claim The Protocols of Zion are genuine.

Albert Speer, Hitler's closest companion, has verified Hitler's hatred for Christianity---which Hitler himself openly admitted in Mein Kampf in 1925, when he advocated the destruction of Christianity.

Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister and another close associate of Hitler, has also verified this cold, hard fact.

 

[Satoshi]

Originally posted by Christian Soldier
"So what point exactly were you trying to make, and what response did I owe you for the post? My only claim was that Hitler was a Christian, who happened to be Hitler. You have yet to refute this."

I refuted you long ago, you're simply not intelligent enough or well-read to realize it. You're a mere bigot, no better than those who claim The Protocols of Zion are genuine.

Albert Speer, Hitler's closest companion, has verified Hitler's hatred for Christianity---which Hitler himself openly admitted in Mein Kampf in 1925, when he advocated the destruction of Christianity.

Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister and another close associate of Hitler, has also verified this cold, hard fact.

You've got the wild assertions down, but you've forgotten to mispell every other word and your capitalization looks to be correct.  Furthermore, you need to add more exclamation points.  Fortunately, you throw in a few insults to raise your score.  I can give you a 3/10.  If you'd look up Boatwright, he could probably give you a few pointers which could raise your score considerably.

 

[Christian Soldier]

"They devoutly, fervently, fanatically, believe that they are. That is enough."

Realizing his "Hitler was a Christian" myth has run its course, Blader brings up the old KKK straw man.

Actually, the KKK's roots are in Freemasonry. Go in virtually any Christian bookstore and you'll find books denouncing Freemasonry as being completely incompatible with Christianity.

Albert Pike, one of the most influential Freemasons in history and an ardent enemy of Christianity, was a co-founder of the KKK.

The occult influence in the KKK is unmistakable to anybody intelligent. Klan officers go by titles like "Imperial Wizard" and "Exalted Cyclops". They burn Crosses, the holiest symbol of the Christian faith.

 

[blader]

Originally posted by Christian Soldier
I refuted you long ago, you're simply not intelligent enough or well-read to realize it. You're a mere bigot, no better than those who claim The Protocols of Zion are genuine.

Is ad-hominem all you have left? Then I don't think there's anything more to discuss. Rest assured that I am secure enough in my intelligence that your pathetic insults do not even warrant a real rebuttal from me. They merely reflect your own intelligence. Or lack thereof.

 

[Christian Soldier]

"You've got the wild assertions down, but you've forgotten to mispell every other word and your capitalization looks to be correct.  Furthermore, you need to add more exclamation points.  Fortunately, you throw in a few insults to raise your score.  I can give you a 3/10.  If you'd look up Boatwright, he could probably give you a few pointers which could raise your score considerably."

If you have anything intelligent to say or a credible argument to present, please do so.