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Darwinism: Science or philosophy?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Gunny, Aug 22, 2002.

  1. foolsparade

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    I know this has nothing to do with science but...
    Christiansoldier, Nietzsche is often mis-interrpreted, and associating his essay {der overman} with nazism is a common mistake. Have you ever read any of Nietzsche's books?? like I mentioned before Nietzsche was not a nationalist, and wrote against socialism and even Germany itself. "Wherever Germany sways her might she ruins culture". His works were also altered by his racist sister after he died.

    " His Will to Power illustrates how the masses have a "herd psychology" where they pity the weak and despise the strong and virtuous. In contrast, the superman is a man who arises by many virtues-- strength, valor, vigor, courage, and determination to reach new physical as well as mental heights, the superman is elite, unlike a weakling who merely follows the "herd instinct." Although one may not agree with Nietzsche on every issue, his Will to Power is something that all people should aspire to."

    http://www.uta.edu/english/apt/fritz/anietzschenazi.html


    How ludicrous I find the socialists, with their nonsensical optimism concerning the "good man," who is waiting to appear from behind the scenes if only one would abolish the old "order" and set all the "natural drives" free. WP 755 nietzsche.

    A legal order thought of as sovereign and universal, not as a means in the struggle between power-complexes but as a means of preventing all struggle in general--perhaps after the communistic cliche of Duhring, that every will must consider every other will its equal--would be a principle hostile to life, an agent of the dissolution and destruction of man, an attempt to assassinate the future of man, a sign of weariness, a secret path to nothingness.-- GM 1:11

    The very same conditions that will on average lead to the leveling and mediocritization of man--to a useful, industrious, handy, multi-purpose herd animal--are likely in the highest degree to give birth to exceptional human beings of the most dangerous and attractive quality. BGE 242

    The democratization of Europe is at the same time an involuntary arrangement for the cultivation of tyrants--taking that word in every sense, including the most spiritual. BGE 242
     
  2. Christian Soldier

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    "Funny, if he was an atheist putting on a front of being a Christian wouldn't it be kinda dumb to go and get photos taken with an atheist philosopher?"

    Are you disputing William L. Shirer, world-renown historian of the Nazi era, whose The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich has been translated into several languages, and has worldwide sales well into eight figures? His book is still the one history of Naziism that all others are judged by. Shirer was a foreign correspondent who lived and worked in Germany before and during the Third Reich.

    If you are claiming to be a more qualified historian on this subject than Shirer, please present your credentials for examination. Did you actually live and work in Nazi Germany?

    I've seen one of the photos with my own eyes, I know they exist.


    "Anyway, Hitler lists his biggest influence as Martin Luther in Table Talk and Mein Kampf. Let's have a look a what Luther has to say about what should be done with Jews if they don't convert:"

    I'm calling you on that, friend. Either give us documented, in-context quotes from Mein Kampf and Table Talk to back your assertion, or admit you're talking trash. Hitler ridiculed Christian anti-Semitism in Mein Kampf, he had no desire to convert the Jews. More solid evidence he wasn't a Christian.

    By the way, atheists often squawk that Hitler was a "devout Catholic". Why would an alleged "devout Catholic" consider Martin Luther as his greatest influence---you know, the same Martin Luther who verbally trashed the Catholic church and spearheaded the PROTESTANT reformation?


    "Well, I don't think Hitler was interested in converting them."

    Precisely. More solid evidence Hitler wasn't a Christian. Hitler had no intention of converting Jews to anything. He just wanted to kill all Jews. Luther was willing to give money to the Jews, if they would just convert. Big difference.

    "I wonder if Luther and Hitler were related?"

    Not a very intelligent suggestion. The alleged "devout Catholic" Hitler and the militantly anti-Catholic father of Protestantism related? Surely you jest. Hitler had far more in common with the atheist Nietzsche.
     
  3. blader

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    More of Hitler's extreme hatred of Christianity, straight from CS's favorite Hitler book:

    "The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine."
    Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12



    "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
    Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 46



    "This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief."
    Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, p.152


    Oh, by the way, here's the Martin Luther quote:

    "To them belong, not only the truly great statesmen, but all other great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great stands Martin Luther as well as Richard Wagner."
    "Mein Kampf", Volume 1, Chapter 8


    Eagerly awaits the spin doctering.

    Give it up. Hitler's a Christian. That's that. I'll let any reasonable person who has read this thread come to their own conclusions.

    Speaking of "photos," please check page 3.

    Oh wait, I forgot, those were all propaganda, and your photos are all obviously not.
     
  4. Christian Soldier

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    "Christiansoldier, Nietzsche is often mis-interrpreted, and associating his essay {der overman} with nazism is a common mistake. Have you ever read any of Nietzsche's books?? like I mentioned before Nietzsche was not a nationalist, and wrote against socialism and even Germany itself. "Wherever Germany sways her might she ruins culture". His works were also altered by his racist sister after he died."

    Often misinterpreted? Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

    I've heard your tired canard too many times. There are nazis who insist Hitler was just "misinterpreted". There are communists who insist Stalin was just "misinterpreted". Give me a break.

    Oh, and blame his sister. :sleep: That's such a pathetic excuse. Most of Nietzsche's works were already in print and circulated before he died, so the "racist sister" myth has less veracity than Grimm's fairy tales.


    "Society has never regarded virtue as anything other than as a means to strength, power, and order. The State [is] unmorality organized... the will to war, to conquest and revenge... Society is not entitled to exist for its own sake but only as a substructure and scaffolding by means of which a select race of beings may elevate themselves to their higher duties... There is no such thing as the right to live, the right to work, or the right to be happy: in this respect man is no different from the meanest worm."

    Nietzsche

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    "A daring and ruler race is building itself up.... The aim should be to prepare a transvaluation of values for a particularly strong kind of man, most highly gifted in intellect and will. This man and the elite around him will become the 'lords of the earth'."

    Nietzsche

    I suppose you're going to tell us that it's just a "coincidence" that Hitler uses the phrase "lords of the earth" in Mein Kampf.

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    "Ye shall love peace as a means to new war, and the short peace more than the long. You I advise not to work, but to fight. You I advise not to peace but to victory.... Ye say it is the good cause which halloweth even war? I say unto you: it is the good war which halloweth every cause. War and courage have done more great things than charity."

    Nietzsche

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    "Man shall be trained for war and woman for the procreation of the warrior. All else is folly."

    Nietzsche

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    "The strong men, the masters, regain the pure conscience of a beast of prey; monsters filled with joy, they can return from a fearful succession of murder, arson, rape, and torture with the same joy in their hearts, the same contentment in their souls as if they had indulged in some student's rag.... When a man is capable of commanding, when he is by nature a "Master," when he is violent in act and gesture, of what importance are treaties to him?... To judge morality properly, it must be replaced by two concepts borrowed from zoology: the taming of a beast and the breeding of a specific species."

    Nietzsche
     
  5. blader

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    Some more:

    "The Führer made it known to those entrusted with the Final Solution that the killings should be done as humanely as possible. This was in line with his conviction that he was observing God's injunction to cleanse the world of vermin. Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so” [Quoting Hitler], he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. Then extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God."

    - Diary of Gerhard Engel, an SS Adjutant, in October 1941; From John Toland, ed., Adolf Hitler, p. 50

    “The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.”

    ( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 562. )

    “For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: ‘Lord, make us free!’ is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: ‘Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!’”

    ( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, pp. 632-633. )

    “Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.”

    ( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 383. )

    “As far as this variety of ‘folkish’ warriors, are concerned, I can only wish the National Socialist movement and the German people with all my heart: ‘Lord, preserve us from such friends, and then we can easily deal with our enemies.’”

    ( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 565. )

    “What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe.”

    ( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 214. )

    “I know that here and there the objection has been raised: Yes, but you have deserted Christianity. No, it is not that we have deserted Christianity; it is those who came before us who deserted Christianity. We have only carried through a clear division between politics, which have to do with terrestrial things, and religion, which must concern itself with the celestial sphere. There has been no interference with the doctrine of the Confessions or with their religious freedom, nor will there be any such interference. On the contrary the State protects religion, though always on the one condition that religion will not be used as a cover for political ends.

    “There may have been a time when even parties founded on the ecclesiastical basis were a necessity. At that time Liberalism was opposed to the Church, while Marxism was anti-religious. But that time is past. National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.

    “The Church's) interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles.”

    ( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Koblenz, August 26, 1934. )
     
  6. Christian Soldier

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    "The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine."

    Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12

    As usual, Blader proves absolutely nothing. Blader's fanatical anti-Christian bigotry (which is on the same level as those who advocate The Protocols of Zion to attack my fellow Jews) causes him to completely misinterpret the context of Hitler's words.

    Would a Christian refer to Christianity as "inexorable fanaticism"? No, but an enemy of it would!

    Many historians refer to the "greatness" of various empires and dictators in history, such as the Roman empire or Genghis Khan. That doesn't mean they're advocating and promoting these regimes/dictators.

    Blader is blinded by his bigotry, and he should start trying to use in-context quotes---and quit giving us his fairy tale interpretations of them.


    "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
    Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 46"

    I have a copy of Mein Kampf open to page 46 right now. Your quote does not appear on that page or any near it.

    Presuming the quote is genuine, which "Almighty Creator" is he referring to? That's a very deist statement, absolutely no mention of Christ. Is he talking about the mother earth goddess or what? Please explain, rather than engaging in pathetic out of context quote mining.


    "This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief."

    Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, p.152"

    "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"

    Albert Einstein

    By your pathetic and bigoted logic, Einstein must have been a Christian or nazi.
    :rolleyes:

    "To them belong, not only the truly great statesmen, but all other great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great stands Martin Luther as well as Richard Wagner."
    "Mein Kampf", Volume 1, Chapter 8"

    Thank you for proving me correct. Nowhere does Hitler say that Luther was his greatest influence. He merely mentions him as a great reformer, which many non-Christian historians worldwide would fully agree with.

    You also help prove me correct again. Anybody who is literate in world history, which would exclude yourself, knows that both Frederick the Great and Richard Wagner were both non-Christians who were bitter enemies of Christianity. So it's not surprising that Hitler admired them. Hitler admired Luther only for his anti-Semitism, not because he was a Christian. There are devout Muslims who admire Luther for his anti-Semitism, does that make them Christians? Your logic is pathetic.


    "Eagerly awaits the spin doctering."

    You're the one spinning like a top. Why haven't you responded to my Nietzche post?

    "Give it up. Hitler's a Christian. That's that. I'll let any reasonable person who has read this thread come to their own conclusions."

    Blader has spoken! Now if we can just stop laughing long enough, any intellectually honest person who read my Nietzche post knows you're talking sheer nonsense.
     
  7. Lanakila

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    If Hitler was a Christian, then so are you bladder. You are an American aren't you? LOL. Many people do think we have a Christian culture here, and that makes them a Christian. Being born again from above makes a person a Christian. The book of first John is clear and Hitler was not a Christian by the standard of our "religious text" the Bible.

    1 John 1:5-6 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
    6. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.

    1 John 2:4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    1 John 2:9-11 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.
    10. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble.
    11. But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him

    1 John 3:7-10 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
    8. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.
    9. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
    10. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
     
  8. blader

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    Big difference:

    Hitler EAGERLY proclaims himself as Christian.

    I, do not.

    My name has only one 'd'.
     
  9. blader

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    What you call anti-Christian bigotry, I call rationality. To an rabid anti-atheist bigot, however, rationality may appear as "bigotry." Some of closest friends are Christians, and I think Christianity is a religion that has done a lot of good, but also a lot of evil, much like any other religion.

    Would an enemy of Christianity say "I have been and always will be a Catholic?" Or say "As a Christian..."?

    Point taken.

    That's funny. If I'm blinded by bigotry, then your own bigotry must be making you delusional. I don't recall writing any commentary on the quotes I've posted. Look again. They're just quotes. Any "intepretations" are solely your OWN. Funny how even your own interpretations offend you. Shouldn't that say some thing about the quotes themselves before you are so quick to blame it on my alleged "interpretations", which in fact doesn't even EXIST? The only "intepretation" I made is that Hitler is a Christian, which in fact was pretty much proved a half dozen pages ago.



    Which edition is it? I see it in mine.

    Gee, I don't know. It's probably the one from Islam, since he proclaimed himself to be Muslim in one of his speeches. Or was it the Hebrew God? Or maybe it was Buddha? It's probably the "mother earth goddess" since it's completely apparent from his speeches that he's a rabid environmentalist.

    Oh WAIT, that's right, the only religion he ever proclaimed himself to be is Christian. But no, that's too much of a stretch, right? It's far more logical to think that he's talking about "earth goddess" instead. Yep, sorry about my pathetic logic.

    Only by your pathetic and bigoted logic would you think that "Hitler is an Christian" is analogous to "Einstein is an Nazi."

    You DO realize that I'm not trying to prove anything from any single one these quotes by themselves? If Einstein ever made a speech where he says "As a Christian," on the other hand, then the above quote serves as evidence that that is true.



    Sure. Point granted. But it wasn't I who gave you the misquote.

    My logic WOULD be pathetic, if I actually MADE the claim that because Hitler admired Luther, then he is a Christian. But I didn't. So you're insulting the wrong person. Great logic there!

    And speaking of great logic, didn't you make a posts about how much Hitler admired Nietzsche? Or what about that picture with Mussolini, the "militant atheist fascist?" If you think Bender (the person you SHOULD be talking to about this) logic is pathetic, then that's an equally applicable comment on your own.

    Because two people already did by the time I saw it, so I did not feel the need to repeat their points a third time. And because, using your own logic, "your logic is pathetic." If the fact that Hitler admired Luther doesn't prove a thing about his Christianity, (and is a pathetic logical argument) as you say, then so is arguing that because Hitler admired Nietzsche, he's not a Christian.

    Why haven't YOU replied to my last post, with far stronger and better quotes? I guess spin doctoring only works so well.



    And that post, once again, is "pathetic logic", by your own same reasoning.

    I seriously don't think you should be the one laughing.
     
  10. foolsparade

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    ChristianSoldier, it appears obvious to me that you know very little of Nietzsche's life ,
    you either are not familiar with or do not understand his philosophy. I would
    also assume you have never read any of his books. You base your opinions on
    William L. Shirer?? I would point out that Hitler did not "mis-interpret"
    Nietzsche but knowingly picked out certain paragraphs out of context. The Nazis
    after all supplied "censored" versions of his writings. I am sure the Nazis
    didn't include statements such as this:

    "Admit no more Jews! And especially close the doors to the east (and also to
    Austria)!" thus commands the instinct of a people whose type is still weak and
    indefinite, so it could easily be blurred or extinguished by a stronger race.
    The Jews, however, are beyond any doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race
    now living in Europe; they know how to prevail even under the worst conditions."
    BGE 251

    Nietzsche even suggested that the Germans and Jews should inter-breed to produce
    a stronger race for Europe. I wonder how Hitler felt about that? Yes I have heard the same arguments before, ironically always coming from
    Christians. Perhaps there is some resentment?

    "The persecutor of God. -- Paul thought up the idea and Calvin rethought it, that
    for innumerable people damnation has been decreed from eternity, and that this
    beautiful world plan was instituted to reveal the glory of God: heaven and hell
    and humanity are thus supposed to exist - to satisfy the vanity of God! What
    cruel and insatiable vanity must have flared in the soul of the man who thought
    this up first, or second. Paul has remained Saul after all - the persecutor of
    God. "

    "Christianity was from the beginning, essentially and fundamentally, life's
    nausea and disgust with life, merely concealed behind, masked by, dressed up as,
    faith in "another" or "better" life.{The Birth of Tragedy

    "We love life not because we are used to living but because we are used to
    loving.. Nietzsche ;)
     
  11. alexgb00

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    Sigh.

    The idea of Hitler being a Christian is delirious babble. Not to mention a terrible insult to Christians everywhere! Maybe Stalin and Lenin were Christians too. How about Ghengis Khan? And Miss Cleo, along with John Lennon. And don't forget the most devout of us all! Rev. Osama bin Laden!

    Christ said, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." -- John 13:34 Whom, besides his own hide, did the cowardly rat Hitler love? Hitler was anything but a Chrisitan. Words prove nothing -- it's actions that prove what and who you are.

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  12. blader

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    alex: None of the names you mentioned made speeches proclaiming themselves to be Christian. In fact, you're just building up a strawman because I don't think any of them are Christians either. Lenin and Stalin were atheists, and they proclaimed themselves so. Hitler is a whole different story.

    Most Christians are good people, just like atheists, this I do not argue. But there are bad apples in any bunch, no matter the beliefs. There are as many evil Christians as there are atheists.

    The point is, not all Christians are good. Name one member of the Ku Klux Klan that isn't a fundamentalist Christian.
     
  13. alexgb00

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    Blader, the reason Lenin and Stalin didn't claim to be Christians is that being a Christian was forbidden in the USSR. In Germany, the majority of the population was Christians, and any successful politician needs a majority behind him. Hitler claimed to be a Christian for this reason.

    Another thing i wanted to mention is this: words don't make a man a Christian. It's Christ. The way you can see Christ working in a life is by the person's actions. Drunks quit their habit of drinking. Murderers repent and never go back to killing. Jesse Jackson claims to be a Christian, but if what he's accused of doing is true, then i don't think so -- his actions show otherwise.

    God bless you, man.
     
  14. blader

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    Alexgb:

    Just by "accepting Christ," doesn't automatically stop a Christian from sinning. And just by sinning, a Christian doesn't lost his salvation. At least that's what I gather from Protestant dogma.

    That's an assumption that you can make as a Christian belief. As an agnostic, I do not agree with you.
     
  15. alexgb00

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    You're right, Blader. Christians sin a lot, also. But the difference is that a Christian feels dirty and unworthy after he does a sin. A non-Christian might not at all feel bad. Hitler enjoyed, he fed off of watching people get executed, like those officials involved in the assassination attempt.

    God bless you, Blader!
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  16. blader

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    I am offended that you would say that only Christians has some kind of conscience. How do you know Hitler didn't feel bad? He felt bad enough to kill himself.

    I'm not trying to defend Hitler, I'm just saying that, in my opinion, there's nothing that really objectively differentiates a Christian from anyone else, except in his own mind.

    In fact, if you read the full quote in my sig, Hitler didn't think he was doing anything bad at all, he thought he was doing the work of GOD and JESUS. Even if he didn't feel bad, it's because he felt it was Biblically justified, just like the Catholics did during the Inquisition and the KKK does even today. Martin Luther, one of the founders of the Protestant movement, was every bit of the antisemite that Hitler was.
     
  17. Morat

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      I feel bad on the few occasions I violate my moral and ethical rules. Oops! I must be a Christian!

      Actually, I seem to be your average atheist. I've met quite a few, and all of them seem to have fairly rigid and complex ethical and moral systems, which they adhere to far more rigourously than some Christians I've met.

     
     
  18. Christian Soldier

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    The quote below proves that Hitler would cover up his bitter anti-Christianity when talking to people outside his Inner Circle and the upper echelons of the Nazi party.

    "Amid his political associates in Berlin, Hitler made harsh pronouncements against the church, but in the presence of the women he adopted a milder tone--one of the instances where he adapted his remarks to his surroundings."

    Albert Speer, Inside The Third Reich

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    Hitler in italics:

    "Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic peoples would have become heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conqueroring Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.

    Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?""

    Albert Speer, Inside The Third Reich

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    "The Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of religious rites. Both have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed."

    "His arguments cannot be refuted on any serious basis. They are totally unanswerable. He has little regard for homo sapiens. Man should not feel so superior to animals. He has no reason to."

    Joseph Goebbels, Goebbel's Personal Diary
     
  19. npetreley

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    Thanks for injecting some reality into the discussion, CS.
     
  20. blader

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    Your version of reality: "Great post, gunnysgt, even though the #1 rule on my own forums is no argulinking!"

    His "political associates?" Which ones, exactly? Himmler? Hess? Streicher? Goring? When, where?
     
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