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I gave you the explanation of the "all that is written".... twice, three times if you go back and read my edited post in my first response. What you did was ask a loaded, presumptuous question, based on a purposed misunderstanding of "all that is written".... that presumes all of the prophecies of the bible have been fulfilled.playing word games? I am asking a question about what Jesus said. Which for some reason, you won't directly answer.
No, I don't. Because parts of Luke 21 are 70AD. And other parts of Luke 21 are end times. My doctrine did not establish the the verses. The verses established the doctrine.Another words, you pick and choose which verses to use that fit your own doctrines?
seems clear that Babylon = Jerusalem, fall of Babylon at Armageddon = fall of Jerusalem in 70 ADDo you view 70ad Jerusalem in Revelation or not?
Then we can talk about that "final judgement"....
From the scriptures...........Where are you reading 70AD Jerusalem in Revelation?
If you make Jerusalem, babylon the great of Revelation 18, and destroyed in 70 AD, then how are these verses regarding Babylon the Great in Revelation 16- fulfilled? The verses don't fit Jerusalem, nor 70 AD.From the scriptures...........
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/luke-19-luke-21-and-revelation-18-same-event.8076261/
Luk 19, Luk 21 and Reve 18 same event?
Luke 21 mentions the "Temple of the City and stone upon stone" in this passage [as does Matt and Mark]
Luke 21:
5 And certain saying about the Temple, that with goodly stones and devoted things It hath been adorned, He said,
6 ‘These things that ye behold —
days will come, in which there shall not be left a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.’
20 ‘And when ye may see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that come nigh did her desolation;
21 then those in Judea, let them flee to the mountains; and those in her midst, let them depart out; and those in the countries, let them not come in to her;
In Luke 19, the author goes into greater detail concerning Luke 21:20 and the 70 ad destruction of Jerusalem [as described by Josephus]:
Luke 19:
41 And as He nears, beholding the City and He laments/eklausen <2799> (5656) on Her, 42 saying,
"That if Thou-knew, and thou, even indeed in the day, this, the toward Peace of Thee, now yet it was hid from Thy eyes.
43 That shall be arriving days upon Thee, and Thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart/siege-work to Thee,
and shall be encompassing Thee, and pressing Thee every which place.
44 And they shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in thee,
and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee, instead which not thou knew the time of thy visitation/episkophV <1984>".
In Revelation, the same greek word #2799 is also used concerning the great City in Revelation:
Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried<2896>, weeping<2799> and wailing<3996>, saying, "Alas, alas, that great City!
wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of Her preciousness!
for in one hour is She made desolate.
I would be willing to bet the non-Christian Orthodox Jews would view that as 70ad Jerusalem.....IF they would read it....If you make Jerusalem, babylon the great of Revelation 18, and destroyed in 70 AD, then how are these verses regarding Babylon the Great in Revelation 16- fulfilled? The verses don't fit Jerusalem, nor 70 AD..
if you go back and read my edited post in my first response.
What you did was ask a loaded, presumptuous question, based on a purposed misunderstanding of "all that is written".... that presumes all of the prophecies of the bible have been fulfilled.
Luke 21:22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written
that presumes all of the prophecies of the bible have been fulfilled.
1. According to Jesus, Jerusalem is punished for all righteous blood shed.If you make Jerusalem, babylon the great of Revelation 18, and destroyed in 70 AD, then how are these verses regarding Babylon the Great in Revelation 16- fulfilled? The verses don't fit Jerusalem, nor 70 AD.
Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
I am saying that Jesus really meant what he said in Luke 21. But you are misunderstanding what he meant - on purpose - because you won't turn loose of your preterist view.I’m trying to understand what you are saying. Are you saying Jesus didn’t really mean all that is written is fulfilled or do you believe this statement is about the end times tribulation of Jerusalem and a future temple destruction?
That is true. But He couldn't really fulfill all things until the whole OC priesthood and Temple services were swept away in the day of wrath/vengeance.When Jesus said "to fulfill all things that are written" he just means to fulfill the Law. (Exodus 24:4, Deuteronomy 31:9).
Obviously Jesus fulfilled the law, except for those who rejected him. To deal with them was the complete fulfillment of the Law.
I would argue and the prophets as well.When Jesus said "to fulfill all things that are written" he just means to fulfill the Law. (Exodus 24:4, Deuteronomy 31:9). Obviously Jesus fulfilled the law, except for those who rejected him. To deal with them was the complete fulfillment of the Law.
After the demolition of Jerusalem, what was left there to occupy?It just means while the gentiles are occupying Jerusalem while Israel has been scattered among the nations.
Haven't the Arabs and muslims been claiming they occupied the land? What's the big conflict going over there right now, about?After the demolition of Jerusalem, what was left there to occupy?
God said He would bring them back into the land after their captivity/exile in 70ad , nothing about there not being non-Israelites also living in it....Haven't the Arabs and muslims been claiming they occupied the land? What's the big conflict going over there right now, about?
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