Daily Christian Universalist Verses

[FineLinen]

"God, you’re such a safe and powerful place to find refuge!

You’re a proven help in time of trouble—more than enough and always available whenever I need you. So we will never fear even if every structure of support were to crumble away. We will not fear even when the earth quakes and shakes, moving mountains and casting them into the sea. For the raging roar of stormy winds and crashing waves cannot erode our faith in you. God has a constantly flowing river whose sparkling streams bring joy and delight to his people. His river flows right through the city of God Most High, into his holy dwelling places. God is in the midst of his city, secure and never shaken. At daybreak his help will be seen with the appearing of the dawn.

When nations are in uproar with their tottering kingdoms, God simply raises his voice, and the earth begins to disintegrate before him. Here he comes! The Commander! The mighty Lord of Angel armies is on our side! The God of Jacob fights for us! Pause in his presence everyone look! Come and see the breathtaking wonders of our God. For he brings both ruin and revival. He’s the one who makes conflicts end throughout the earth, breaking and burning every weapon of war.

your anxiety. Be still and realize that I am God. I am God above all the nations, and I am exalted throughout the whole earth. Hhe stands! The Commander! The mighty Lord of Angel Armies is on our side! The God of Jacob fights for us!" ~TPT

 

[HSong]

ISAIAH 48:10 See, I have refined you ... I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.

Our current life is the furnace of affliction. But like smelting an iron ingot, you don’t keep it in the furnace forever. When you bake bread, you don’t keep it in the oven forever, otherwise it will burn to ash and will not be useful to the baker. Therefore, our suffering will not last forever, but only last a moment.

 

[HSong]

God has a constantly flowing river whose sparkling streams bring joy and delight to his people.

Yes, this is the river of life that was shown in the beginning of Genesis and again a river of life showed at the end of Revelations. God is a constant source of life.

The God of Jacob fights for us!

Jeremiah 30:18"This is what the LORD says: "`I will restore the fortunes of Jacob's tents and have compassion on his dwellings; the city will be rebuilt on her ruins, and the palace will stand in its proper place.

God always heals in the end. He rebuilds, He restores all of the world to Christ through faith alone in Him.

Be still and realize that I am God

God can do anything. He will save the whole world, because it's His desire. He is God, who can stop Him? Nobody! Like God said to Job, who was there at the beginning of the universe, when God put the stars in the sky? Nobody can stop God's will from coming to fruition, His will to save every single person on Earth!

 

[Oneofhope]

Hello. I would originally post a Christian Universalist verse daily on the Tentmaker Universalism site. However, a Cloudflare error has caused the site to go down, specificially

"Table './hopebey1_tentmaker_forum/smf_messages' is marked as crashed and should be repaired"

I was posting daily Christian Universalist Bible verses and my own commentary of them on there, but since it's down, I've decided to continue doing that on this forum. There's some members from that forum that are also active on here, like FineLinen, who posts great content on there, so I figured I'd give it a shot here. They would also post daily content, which served as my inspiration for this series.

Everyone goes to Heaven, Christian Universalism.
Psalm 118:14 The LORD is my strength and my song

No way. Look who's here! Hsong!!

 

[Der Alte]

Yes, this is the river of life that was shown in the beginning of Genesis and again a river of life showed at the end of Revelations. God is a constant source of life.
Jeremiah 30:18"This is what the LORD says: "`I will restore the fortunes of Jacob's tents and have compassion on his dwellings; the city will be rebuilt on her ruins, and the palace will stand in its proper place.
God always heals in the end. He rebuilds, He restores all of the world to Christ through faith alone in Him.
God can do anything. He will save the whole world, because it's His desire. He is God, who can stop Him? Nobody! Like God said to Job, who was there at the beginning of the universe, when God put the stars in the sky? Nobody can stop God's will from coming to fruition, His will to save every single person on Earth!

That ain't what God said in Jeremiah 13

Jeremiah 13:11-14
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.​

And that ain't what Jesus said in Matthew 7.

Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day,[Judgment day] Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

 

[Jeff Saunders]

I know all about the study of Aionios and what it means. I've studied it very extensively as I used to be a believer in Eternal Torment. But I now know better.

So if you believe it means Eternal then explain how a secret is held eternally?

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Can you tell me how the secret is ever to be known if it is held secretly? And YES, that bolded section is from the word AIONIOS.

And NO, Aionios is not limited duration or unlimited duration. It doesn't speak to the end point of the duration. Let me teach you on this. Aionios is like the Horizon. Something is beyond it but you only know it as being concealed from you. Aionios speaks to a CONTINUING point. Something that is Aionios is in the current age of the context and continues into or comes forth from the adjoining age depending on how it is used.

For example:

Mat_25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The words Everlasting and Eternal are both AIONIOS. This is because those that are wicked will CONTINUE into the next age to receive punishment (Correction) and those that are righteous (which have the LIFE of Christ) will CONTINUE into that life in the next age.

Because people don't know this they don't see how the FOCUS is being placed on the COMING AGE when we see the term used.

Yes someone who gets it. So many Christians don’t realize that this time in mortal bodies is not the end it’s just the beginning. No place in scripture does it say that people can’t except Jesus once the mortal body dies. They quote that it is appointed once for man to die then the judgement. But they assume that the judgement is heaven or hell but it’s not. The judgement is did you follow Jesus in the mortal body or not those who do go to be with God those who don’t go into punishment till all the sin is burned away and then they will see Jesus as he is and no one can reject Jesus forever. Augustine did the church no favors by using the Latin and not the Greek, his error is still a heavy influence even today. If one uses the correct translation for aionios as of the age or eon then the whole of scripture fits together well . No more two will of God , no more all doesn’t mean all, Jesus really is the savior of the world , every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. Jesus will draw all to him ect. This is why Universal redemption was the majority view till Augustine.

 

[Deafsilence]

Yes someone who gets it. So many Christians don’t realize that this time in mortal bodies is not the end it’s just the beginning. No place in scripture does it say that people can’t except Jesus once the mortal body dies. They quote that it is appointed once for man to die then the judgement. But they assume that the judgement is heaven or hell but it’s not. The judgement is did you follow Jesus in the mortal body or not those who do go to be with God those who don’t go into punishment till all the sin is burned away and then they will see Jesus as he is and no one can reject Jesus forever. Augustine did the church no favors by using the Latin and not the Greek, his error is still a heavy influence even today. If one uses the correct translation for aionios as of the age or eon then the whole of scripture fits together well . No more two will of God , no more all doesn’t mean all, Jesus really is the savior of the world , every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. Jesus will draw all to him ect. This is why Universal redemption was the majority view till Augustine.

Let me ask - You mentioned Augustine. Which Augustine. Because when I read Augustine of Hippo "On Grace and Free Will":

CHURCH FATHERS: On Grace and Free Will (St. Augustine)

Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.

www.newadvent.org

I see in that link many references to a Universalism understanding. Consider these chapters:

Chapter 38.— We Would Not Love God Unless He First Loved Us. The Apostles Chose Christ Because They Were Chosen; They Were Not Chosen Because They Chose Christ.​

Chapter 41 [XX.]— The Wills of Men are So Much in the Power of God, that He Can Turn Them Whithersoever It Pleases Him.​

Chapter 42 [XXI]— God Does Whatsoever He Wills in the Hearts of Even Wicked Men.​

Chapter 43.— God Operates on Men's Hearts to Incline Their Wills Whithersoever He Pleases.​

Chapter 45 [XXIII]— The Reason Why One Person is Assisted by Grace, and Another is Not Helped, Must Be Referred to the Secret Judgments of God.​

That sounds a lot like Universalism. So I'm wondering if this Augustine you mentioned is another or something other that I'm not aware of.

 

[Der Alte]

Let me ask - You mentioned Augustine. Which Augustine. Because when I read Augustine of Hippo "On Grace and Free Will":

CHURCH FATHERS: On Grace and Free Will (St. Augustine)

Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.

www.newadvent.org

I see in that link many references to a Universalism understanding. Consider these chapters:
Chapter 38.— We Would Not Love God Unless He First Loved Us. The Apostles Chose Christ Because They Were Chosen; They Were Not Chosen Because They Chose Christ.

Chapter 41 [XX.]— The Wills of Men are So Much in the Power of God, that He Can Turn Them Whithersoever It Pleases Him.​

Chapter 42 [XXI]— God Does Whatsoever He Wills in the Hearts of Even Wicked Men.​

Chapter 43.— God Operates on Men's Hearts to Incline Their Wills Whithersoever He Pleases.​

Chapter 45 [XXIII]— The Reason Why One Person is Assisted by Grace, and Another is Not Helped, Must Be Referred to the Secret Judgments of God.​

That sounds a lot like Universalism. So I'm wondering if this Augustine you mentioned is another or something other that I'm not aware of.

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[Der Alte]

Yes someone who gets it. So many Christians don’t realize that this time in mortal bodies is not the end it’s just the beginning. No place in scripture does it say that people can’t except Jesus once the mortal body dies. * * *

JPS Proverbs 24:20​

(20) For there will be no future to the evil man, the lamp of the wicked shall be put out.​

Ephesians 2:12​

(12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:​

1 Thessalonians 4:13​

(13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.​

Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?​

Psalms 88:5 Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand.​

Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.​

Proverbs 14:32 The wicked is driven away in his wickedness: but the righteous hath hope in his death.​

John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.​

 

[Saint Steven]

Let me ask - You mentioned Augustine. Which Augustine. Because when I read Augustine of Hippo "On Grace and Free Will":

CHURCH FATHERS: On Grace and Free Will (St. Augustine)

Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.

www.newadvent.org

I see in that link many references to a Universalism understanding. Consider these chapters:

Chapter 38.— We Would Not Love God Unless He First Loved Us. The Apostles Chose Christ Because They Were Chosen; They Were Not Chosen Because They Chose Christ.​

Chapter 41 [XX.]— The Wills of Men are So Much in the Power of God, that He Can Turn Them Whithersoever It Pleases Him.​

Chapter 42 [XXI]— God Does Whatsoever He Wills in the Hearts of Even Wicked Men.​

Chapter 43.— God Operates on Men's Hearts to Incline Their Wills Whithersoever He Pleases.​

Chapter 45 [XXIII]— The Reason Why One Person is Assisted by Grace, and Another is Not Helped, Must Be Referred to the Secret Judgments of God.​

That sounds a lot like Universalism. So I'm wondering if this Augustine you mentioned is another or something other that I'm not aware of.

What character quality of God do these titles claim?

The "Secret Judgments of God"? Predestination to damnation is none of our business? Wow. Hush, hush?

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

 

[Deafsilence]

What character quality of God do these titles claim?

The "Secret Judgments of God"? Predestination to damnation is none of our business? Wow. Hush, hush?

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

I'm a believer in Universal Salvation. I'm just wondering if history has done disservice to Augustine's writings.

 

[HSong]

I'm a believer in Universal Salvation. I'm just wondering if history has done disservice to Augustine's writings.

There are very many in our day, who though not denying the Holy Scriptures, do not believe in endless torments. -- Augustine (354-430 A.D.)

The Church Fathers on Universalism

A collection of famous quotes and quotations showing that many of the early church fathers believed in ultimate reconciliation and were universalists, the Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ.

www.tentmaker.org

From the Tentmaker site, it seems there are different viewpoints on Augustine. The above link mentioned him more positively, but there are others like this link below, which speaks about him more negatively.

Chapter 20 - Augustine--Deterioration Continued

I am also a believer in Universal Salvation. However, I currently have no opinion on Augustine at the moment. I will need to do more research on his writings to understand his character. Though, I am curious what other Christian Universalists think of him.

 

[Deafsilence]

There are very many in our day, who though not denying the Holy Scriptures, do not believe in endless torments. -- Augustine (354-430 A.D.)

The Church Fathers on Universalism

A collection of famous quotes and quotations showing that many of the early church fathers believed in ultimate reconciliation and were universalists, the Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ.

www.tentmaker.org

From the Tentmaker site, it seems there are different viewpoints on Augustine. The above link mentioned him more positively, but there are others like this link below, which speaks about him more negatively.

Chapter 20 - Augustine--Deterioration Continued

I am also a believer in Universal Salvation. However, I currently have no opinion on Augustine at the moment. I will need to do more research on his writings to understand his character. Though, I am curious what other Christian Universalists think of him.

Yes, I just wonder if all these mentions of Augustine are the same and if so, are we getting caught up in determining their position based on translations or over expressed commentary of their comments. Because the link I provided earlier clearly shows that Augustine of Hippo had Universalist views based on this readers opinion of his own writings.

I often think that the matter of the scriptural references to consuming the wicked and hell are more of a Test much like the (two swords are enough) to determine who has an EAR. In other words the TWO Sword being enough was never a command to carry two literal swords but rather two spiritual swords. For we find that as soon as they were carried and used, Jesus rebuked Peter for cutting the ear of the apprehender. So Parabolically, the scriptures are organized so that the earthly thinkers will take them as stated and the Spiritual will understand the True meaning.

 

[HSong]

Because the link I provided earlier clearly shows that Augustine of Hippo had Universalist views based on this readers opinion of his own writings.

I agree. From the link you provided, it does show many quotes from Augustine about their support of Christian Universalism. Based on that, I'm surprised the Tentmaker site would feature an article going against them.

So Parabolically, the scriptures are organized so that the earthly thinkers will take them as stated and the Spiritual will understand the True meaning.

Yes, the true meaning of parables are always spiritual. The Lord just uses the physical medium as a way to explain them to us.

Matthew 13:35 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world.”

Here, the Bible mentions that parables are a way to communicate what was hidden since the foundation of the world. However, when God was creating the Earth, physical items mentioned in the parable did not exist yet.

Matthew 9:16-17 discusses the Parable of New Cloth on Old Garment. Yet, in the Garden of Eden, it was only after Adam and Eve sinned that they realized were naked and sought to create clothes. So, at the foundation of the world, no garments existed yet.

Matthew 18:23-35 talks about the Parable of The Unforgiving Servant. Yet, at the foundation of world, there were no human kings and human servants yet, only Adam and then Eve and all their descendants. They came afterwards, but they weren't at the very beginning.

However, certain concepts have always existed since the foundation of the world. For instance, God's plan for Jesus to sacrifice Himself on the cross for humanity's sins, God's foreknowledge of the serpent going to the Garden to tempt Eve and the very concept of Christian Universalism, to save everyone and restore all back to Christ. Ideas have no physical characteristics, they're concepts.

The only one who was there at the very beginning is the Almighty Lord. He had these ideas before creating the world, before the physical realm was created.

 

[HSong]

As well, here's today's daily Christian Universal Salvation verse.

ISAIAH 45:22-24 "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth. By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. They will say of me, `In the Lord alone are righteousness and strength.'" (NIV)

Word for word, all ends of the Earth will be save. God will make all people turn to Him because that’s His will, for all of His creation to worship Him.

 

[HSong]

Hi again. I was watching some Christian Universal Salvation videos, and stumbled upon this one:

It seems like fate that Augustine would show up in it randomly. Specifically, at 3:35, the person on the video talks about Augustine being "the primary spokesperson for Hell. He was the super spreader of ECT".

Though, I can attest to King James using the word "Hell" way to many times in the KJV (it used to be the only version I read before I became a Universalist). From my own experience, I personally see King James as being more of a "spokesperson" for Hell than Augustine.

 

[Der Alte]

As well, here's today's daily Christian Universal Salvation verse.
ISAIAH 45:22-24 "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth. By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. They will say of me, `In the Lord alone are righteousness and strength.'" (NIV)
Word for word, all ends of the Earth will be save. God will make all people turn to Him because that’s His will, for all of His creation to worship Him.

These vss. do not say what you think they do. God is not talking to the dead in the grave or hell. There ain't no "ends of the earth" in the grave or hell.
In these vss. God is talking to the living on this earth.

Isaiah 45:9-10
(9) Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
(10) Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
Isaiah 45:16-17
(16) They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.
(17) But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Isaiah 45:25
(25) In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.​

 

[Saint Steven]

I'm a believer in Universal Salvation.

That's good to know, thanks.
I think I had some suspicions earlier. Should have PM'd you to ask.

We should do a "coming out" topic. - LOL
All the closet Universalists (hidden behind a username) could make announcement.

 

[Saint Steven]

So Parabolically, the scriptures are organized so that the earthly thinkers will take them as stated and the Spiritual will understand the True meaning.

Very interesting observation. That's worth further discussion.

What do you see as the results in the church of those two perspectives? (earthly and spiritual)

 

[Der Alte]

* * * So Parabolically, the scriptures are organized so that the earthly thinkers will take them as stated and the Spiritual will understand the True meaning.

Ah yes! The old SPAM-Fig dodge. When scripture, as written, does not fit someone's presuppositions/assumptions, "Voila it is symbolic, poetic, allegory, metaphor or figurative."
The opposite of that is, if the scripture, as written, makes good sense, it is nonsense to seek any other sense.