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[lasthero]

But do you know what happens when Kings or Pharoahs get humiliated or defeated? They destroy the evidence!!!

Then how do we know about any king or Pharoahs getting humiliated?

 

[anyathesword]

Then how do we know about any king or Pharoahs getting humiliated?

The Bible of course and other records.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Of course it's relevant.

It's not. Claims fall and stand on their own merrit - not by who does and doesn't believe them.

Until you take a moment and open up the Bible or look online at the New Testament and see what Jesus says about himself, then you will understand. But of course you won't understand the connection of the Exodus to Jesus, unless you read some of the Bible.

But I'll help you out a little bit. Jesus calls himself the Bread of Life, that's just to say he is the only nutrition we really need to live by. The point is, he compares himself to the manna, the bread that fell from Heaven to feed these people in the desert when they escaped the Egyptians.

Funny how you assume that I haven't read the bible.

Why would Jesus compare Himself to this Event? He would have to be totally stupid to say so, if the Exodus was a myth.

Unless off course, the authors of the new testament believed it actually happened. Just like you. But as I mentioned multiple times already, it doesn't matter how many people believe X. The belief can still be wrong.

The entire human population once believed that the sun orbits the earth. That didn't make it true, now did it?

The whole basis of the Bible, the whole basis of the Jews, the Passover, and the whole basis of the Christian faith relies on this huge event.

Newsflash: christianity could be wrong. Just like you assume all other religions to be wrong. Your inability to admit to that possibility doesn't change anything.

In case you didn't understand it yet, there's actually a reason why I'm not a christian. What is becoming increasingly clear though, is that the only reason that you insist that this event took place, is because somehow you are convinced that your entire worldview is based on it taking place. It's quite obvious that you just fear that what you believe could be wrong.

Can you admit that that which you believe on faith actually might be wrong?

But you won't understand until you read some.

I've read the bible front to back multiple times. Stop assuming that I didn't read it. I did. I also read the quran.

The Egyptians were not totally destroyed. They moved on, and grew powerful again. Where does it say they were totally destroyed?

I didn't say that they WERE totally destroyed. Please read my posts with a little more attention. I said that IF this event took place, it would mean that this ancient super power lost a million worker hands overnight. This loss would have had a dramatic effect on that civilisation. It would have collapsed economically. But this never happened. Instead, it just continued to grow more powerfull. There was no backlash. Because the event never took place. If it did take place, there WOULD have been a backlash. But there wasn't, so it didn't.

Don't we know about the Exodus? There is plenty of indirect evidence for the Exodus.

All you presented till now is "some dude that supposedly lived a 1000 years later believed it".

That's not evidence. Not even indirect evidence. It's just a logical fallacy. An argument from authority (and only a perceived authority at that).

It's not relevant at all. The bible is just a religious book. Exodus is a claim of the bible. NOTHING in the bible can be used as evidence for that claim. That would be circular reasoning.

If you want me to accept exodus happened, I will require evidence that:
- slaves in egypt were jews
- a million slaves walked out overnight
- a million people wandered around the desert for decades
- a million people invaded what is now called jeruzalem

And none of those pieces of evidence can come from biblical sources.

None of this can be shown to be correct or even remotely correct.
I've already explained to you why this definatly did not happen. It's as simple as pointing out that Egypt remained a super power.

For goodness' sake, Rome went through economic troubles when a few thousands slaves revolted and caused a little stir. Yet, you expect us to accept that a FREAKING MILLION slaves walked out of an ancient city and that life simply went on as usual, with no problems at all as a result?????

Who are you trying to fool dude?

 

[seashale76]

I got about four minutes in. Narrating your topic and then randomly splashing other things on the screen that don't seem to go along with what you're talking about makes it very difficult to concentrate on what you're attempting to say.

I will sum up what I remember though:
1) Science = bad
2) Dad's version of Christianity = good
2) Something about the laws of physics
3) Something about the speed of light with time (specifically) being bad
4) Random words on the screen
5) The past is different

 

[PsychoSarah]

No. I am intelligent enough not to pay people to make a web site in any language I do not want it in.

So you are saying that the biblical witnesses weren't smart enough to find people to write for them in the language that they themselves spoke?

 

[biggles53]

Of course it's relevant. Until you take a moment and open up the Bible or look online at the New Testament and see what Jesus says about himself, then you will understand. But of course you won't understand the connection of the Exodus to Jesus, unless you read some of the Bible.

But I'll help you out a little bit. Jesus calls himself the Bread of Life, that's just to say he is the only nutrition we really need to live by. The point is, he compares himself to the manna, the bread that fell from Heaven to feed these people in the desert when they escaped the Egyptians.

Why would Jesus compare Himself to this Event? He would have to be totally stupid to say so, if the Exodus was a myth. The whole basis of the Bible, the whole basis of the Jews, the Passover, and the whole basis of the Christian faith relies on this huge event.

But you won't understand until you read some.

The Egyptians were not totally destroyed. They moved on, and grew powerful again. Where does it say they were totally destroyed?

Don't we know about the Exodus? There is plenty of indirect evidence for the Exodus.

Wrong. Wrong...WRONG...!

You are approaching the question from entirely the opposite direction....but, as I have said before, this is what happens when you start with a foregone conclusion and then attempt to make everything else fit that conclusion...!

That's NOT how the real world works...!

Because you have STARTED with the belief that Jesus existed, and that everything told about him MUST be true, then you necessarily have to believe that all these stories about floods and exoduses and miracle births, etc MUST be true as well....

BUT........you have NO EVIDENCE for those stories...! Not only that, the very people who would have most invested in that exodus myth DON'T BELIEVE ANY LONGER THAT IT HAPPENED....! Why do you think that YOU should know any better, particularly when your claim is based upon NOTHING more than a wish that it be so....!?

 

[anyathesword]

Wrong. Wrong...WRONG...!

You are approaching the question from entirely the opposite direction....but, as I have said before, this is what happens when you start with a foregone conclusion and then attempt to make everything else fit that conclusion...!

That's NOT how the real world works...!

Because you have STARTED with the belief that Jesus existed, and that everything told about him MUST be true, then you necessarily have to believe that all these stories about floods and exoduses and miracle births, etc MUST be true as well....

BUT........you have NO EVIDENCE for those stories...! Not only that, the very people who would have most invested in that exodus myth DON'T BELIEVE ANY LONGER THAT IT HAPPENED....! Why do you think that YOU should know any better, particularly when your claim is based upon NOTHING more than a wish that it be so....!?

If all Jews did not believe in the Exodus then why so many celebrate the Passover? And why is it so important for them to have their land of Isreal?

I don't wish these things to be true, I just know that they are.

Jesus existed whether I believe it or not. That's a fact. What he said and taught is found in the Bible. He said many things pertaining to the Exodus. Why would he be talking about the Exodus if it was a myth?

Sometimes what you or I believe in does not determine the facts and truth. Facts and truth can determine if we believe in it or not.

 

[anyathesword]

It's not. Claims fall and stand on their own merrit - not by who does and doesn't believe them.



Funny how you assume that I haven't read the bible.



Unless off course, the authors of the new testament believed it actually happened. Just like you. But as I mentioned multiple times already, it doesn't matter how many people believe X. The belief can still be wrong.

The entire human population once believed that the sun orbits the earth. That didn't make it true, now did it?



Newsflash: christianity could be wrong. Just like you assume all other religions to be wrong. Your inability to admit to that possibility doesn't change anything.

In case you didn't understand it yet, there's actually a reason why I'm not a christian. What is becoming increasingly clear though, is that the only reason that you insist that this event took place, is because somehow you are convinced that your entire worldview is based on it taking place. It's quite obvious that you just fear that what you believe could be wrong.

Can you admit that that which you believe on faith actually might be wrong?



I've read the bible front to back multiple times. Stop assuming that I didn't read it. I did. I also read the quran.





I didn't say that they WERE totally destroyed. Please read my posts with a little more attention. I said that IF this event took place, it would mean that this ancient super power lost a million worker hands overnight. This loss would have had a dramatic effect on that civilisation. It would have collapsed economically. But this never happened. Instead, it just continued to grow more powerfull. There was no backlash. Because the event never took place. If it did take place, there WOULD have been a backlash. But there wasn't, so it didn't.



All you presented till now is "some dude that supposedly lived a 1000 years later believed it".

That's not evidence. Not even indirect evidence. It's just a logical fallacy. An argument from authority (and only a perceived authority at that).

It's not relevant at all. The bible is just a religious book. Exodus is a claim of the bible. NOTHING in the bible can be used as evidence for that claim. That would be circular reasoning.

If you want me to accept exodus happened, I will require evidence that:
- slaves in egypt were jews
- a million slaves walked out overnight
- a million people wandered around the desert for decades
- a million people invaded what is now called jeruzalem

And none of those pieces of evidence can come from biblical sources.

None of this can be shown to be correct or even remotely correct.
I've already explained to you why this definatly did not happen. It's as simple as pointing out that Egypt remained a super power.

For goodness' sake, Rome went through economic troubles when a few thousands slaves revolted and caused a little stir. Yet, you expect us to accept that a FREAKING MILLION slaves walked out of an ancient city and that life simply went on as usual, with no problems at all as a result?????

Who are you trying to fool dude?

Well you don't seem to be catching the connection between what Jesus said about Who he was and about the Exodus.

I'm not trying to fool anyone and I am not a dude.

Yes, that's what happened, study history and archeology and you will see how this event is able to fit nicely in history.

I already gave you a few pictures of heiroglyphs and armana tablets showing them working in Egypt. With mud building a wall and their name was Habiru.

 

[biggles53]

If all Jews did not believe in the Exodus then why so many celebrate the Passover? And why is it so important for them to have their land of Isreal?

I am an atheist, yet I celebrate Christmas...obviously I celebrate it as a secular, family event, not a religious one. Just because people still celebrate particular events says NOTHING about the truth claims associated with those events.

And why wouldn't the Jews want to have their own homeland...? Over the centuries, they were kicked out of most other places in the world, or treated as pariahs....!

I don't wish these things to be true, I just know that they are.

You " know" no such thing.......because you have ZERO evidence to support you.....You WANT them to be as you believe....

Jesus existed whether I believe it or not. That's a fact. What he said and taught is found in the Bible. He said many things pertaining to the Exodus. Why would he be talking about the Exodus if it was a myth?

I talk about Christmas. Does that automatically mean it must have been the birthday of a man-god...? As DH has pointed out, the claim that a man spoke about something that happened 1000 years before he was supposedly born says NOTHING about the truth of that event...

Sometimes what you or I believe in does not determine the facts and truth. Facts and truth can determine if we believe in it or not.

On that we agree.......and there is ZERO evidence for the Exodus.....it's why the Jews have dropped it as part of their history.....

 

[biggles53]

Well you don't seem to be catching the connection between what Jesus said about Who he was and about the Exodus.

There is no connection, as far as truth claims are concerned...

You see, you have two minor and one major hurdle there....whether Jesus even existed and whether he spoke the words we see in the Bible are the minor hurdles.....but the major one is that, even if you clear the first two, there is NOTHING TO SHOW that his words automatically mean the Exodus happened....

I'm not trying to fool anyone and I am not a dude.

Yes, that's what happened, study history and archeology and you will see how this event is able to fit nicely in history.

No....that's the whole point....you have NOTHING from the fields of history or archaeology to support your claim........that's why the Jews themselves have STOPPED making the claim...!

I already gave you a few pictures of heiroglyphs and armana tablets showing them working in Egypt. With mud building a wall and their name was Habiru.

Which provide NO evidence for the claims of an exodus.....

 

[anyathesword]

It's not. Claims fall and stand on their own merrit - not by who does and doesn't believe them.



Funny how you assume that I haven't read the bible.



Unless off course, the authors of the new testament believed it actually happened. Just like you. But as I mentioned multiple times already, it doesn't matter how many people believe X. The belief can still be wrong.

The entire human population once believed that the sun orbits the earth. That didn't make it true, now did it?



Newsflash: christianity could be wrong. Just like you assume all other religions to be wrong. Your inability to admit to that possibility doesn't change anything.

In case you didn't understand it yet, there's actually a reason why I'm not a christian. What is becoming increasingly clear though, is that the only reason that you insist that this event took place, is because somehow you are convinced that your entire worldview is based on it taking place. It's quite obvious that you just fear that what you believe could be wrong.

Can you admit that that which you believe on faith actually might be wrong?



I've read the bible front to back multiple times. Stop assuming that I didn't read it. I did. I also read the quran.





I didn't say that they WERE totally destroyed. Please read my posts with a little more attention. I said that IF this event took place, it would mean that this ancient super power lost a million worker hands overnight. This loss would have had a dramatic effect on that civilisation. It would have collapsed economically. But this never happened. Instead, it just continued to grow more powerfull. There was no backlash. Because the event never took place. If it did take place, there WOULD have been a backlash. But there wasn't, so it didn't.



All you presented till now is "some dude that supposedly lived a 1000 years later believed it".

That's not evidence. Not even indirect evidence. It's just a logical fallacy. An argument from authority (and only a perceived authority at that).

It's not relevant at all. The bible is just a religious book. Exodus is a claim of the bible. NOTHING in the bible can be used as evidence for that claim. That would be circular reasoning.

If you want me to accept exodus happened, I will require evidence that:
- slaves in egypt were jews
- a million slaves walked out overnight
- a million people wandered around the desert for decades
- a million people invaded what is now called jeruzalem

And none of those pieces of evidence can come from biblical sources.

None of this can be shown to be correct or even remotely correct.
I've already explained to you why this definatly did not happen. It's as simple as pointing out that Egypt remained a super power.

For goodness' sake, Rome went through economic troubles when a few thousands slaves revolted and caused a little stir. Yet, you expect us to accept that a FREAKING MILLION slaves walked out of an ancient city and that life simply went on as usual, with no problems at all as a result?????

Who are you trying to fool dude?

Ok lets start with this then;

1. The Ipuwer Papyrus: The Admonitions of an Egyptian written in 1650 BCE describing plagues that occured in Egypt which are similar to the Biblical plagues.

2. Egyptian maps made at the end of the Bronze Age showing cities that did exist at the time of the Exodus. "Among them are Dibon (Numbers 13:45), a city where the Israelites' camped on their way to invade Canaan, and Hebron (Numbers 13:22), another city targeted for invasion. Also included are the cities of Iyyn and Abel (biblical Abel [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim) both in Numbers 13: 45-50; Yom haMelach (Numbers 34:3); and Athar (Hebrew Atharim) (Numbers 21:1)."

3. Aper-el's Tomb: Possibly a Hebrew advisor to an Egyptian King. "They say his name is an Egyptian version of a Hebrew name. Aper-el was vizier to the famous Amenhotep III (1370-1293 B.C.E., 18th Dynasty) and later to his son, the monotheistic king Akhenaten. They dated the tomb around 1353-1335 B.C.E."

4. The Shiphra Papyrus: "The Brooklyn Museum has a papyrus, possibly from Thebes, with a list of slaves from the Egyptian Middle Kingdom, about 1740 B.C.E. It includes a slave named Shiphra and others with Semitic names. In the Bible, a Hebrew woman with the same name, Shiphra, was one of two midwives the Pharaoh commissioned to kill all the male Hebrew children at the time Moses was born (Exod. 1:15) The fact that the name Shiphra is found in both the Bible and the papyrus indicates that the name and the woman's condition of slavery were familiar to both Israelites and Egyptians."

Roger Isaacs: Passover In Egypt: Did the Exodus Really Happen?

 

[anyathesword]

Wrong. Wrong...WRONG...!

You are approaching the question from entirely the opposite direction....but, as I have said before, this is what happens when you start with a foregone conclusion and then attempt to make everything else fit that conclusion...!

That's NOT how the real world works...!

Because you have STARTED with the belief that Jesus existed, and that everything told about him MUST be true, then you necessarily have to believe that all these stories about floods and exoduses and miracle births, etc MUST be true as well....

BUT........you have NO EVIDENCE for those stories...! Not only that, the very people who would have most invested in that exodus myth DON'T BELIEVE ANY LONGER THAT IT HAPPENED....! Why do you think that YOU should know any better, particularly when your claim is based upon NOTHING more than a wish that it be so....!?

Yet when Jews observe Passover, they are commemorating what is arguably the most important event of all time--the Exodus from Egypt. If for no other reason than the fact that the Exodus directly or indirectly generated many of the important events cited by other groups, this is the event of human history.

That it was a Jewish event is an eloquent tribute to the extraordinary role the Jewish people--so minute a fragment of the human race--have played in human history.
The Exodus Effect - My Jewish Learning

67 percent of Jews attend or hold the passover. That's more than half, Mr. Biggles.
http://www.jewfaq.org/holidaya.htm
hmm...

 

[DogmaHunter]

If all Jews did not believe in the Exodus then why so many celebrate the Passover? And why is it so important for them to have their land of Isreal?

I don't wish these things to be true, I just know that they are.

Jesus existed whether I believe it or not. That's a fact. What he said and taught is found in the Bible. He said many things pertaining to the Exodus. Why would he be talking about the Exodus if it was a myth?

Sometimes what you or I believe in does not determine the facts and truth. Facts and truth can determine if we believe in it or not.

Facts and trutgh can be determined whether ANYBODY (including jesus and the authors of the bible) believe in it or not.

This is the part that you aren't comprehending.

You are equating your FAITH with FACT.
It's a sad state of affairs when I have to explain why that is irrational.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Well you don't seem to be catching the connection between what Jesus said about Who he was and about the Exodus.

You don't seem to be catching the fact that what some dude who might or might not have existed is irrelavent to what events did and did not take place centuries or millenia before that.

What some dude who might or might not have existed said or didn't say or did or didn't believe is irrelavent to whether what he said or believed is true or not.

All you are doing is engaging in circular reasoning, argument from authority, etc. Stop with the logical fallacies, take a step back and look at it objectively, without your faith goggles and a priori beliefs.

Yes, that's what happened, study history and archeology and you will see how this event is able to fit nicely in history.

I've already explained to you 3 times now how it most certainly does not fit into history. Not even by a longshot.

I already gave you a few pictures of heiroglyphs and armana tablets showing them working in Egypt. With mud building a wall and their name was Habiru.

What does "mud building a wall " and the name "habiru" (which is actually heavily contested to mean hebrew - acadamics don't simply assume this to be the case - only bible thumpers believe this to be the case) prove about anything remotely connected to exodus?

How is this evidence about anything connected to exodus?

Why didn't egyptian society collapse after losing a million worker hands overnight?
Why did egyptian society instead only grow stronger economically and in influence?

It makes no sense.

 

[biggles53]

67 percent of Jews attend or hold the passover. That's more than half, Mr. Biggles.
Judaism 101: Pesach: Passover
hmm...

And 100% of my family celebrate Christmas.......and none of us believe it actually to be the birthday of a god....!

Read what DH says.....just because you believe in something doesn't make it TRUE....!

 

[DogmaHunter]

Ok lets start with this then;

1. The Ipuwer Papyrus: The Admonitions of an Egyptian written in 1650 BCE describing plagues that occured in Egypt which are similar to the Biblical plagues.

Only believing bible thumpers claim this. Actual egyptologists, archeologists, historians (in short: academia) reject this "interpretation" as selective reading and wishfull thinking. This is another example of how you start with a conclusion and then do everything you can to find things that you can fit into that a priori conclusion.

2. Egyptian maps made at the end of the Bronze Age showing cities that did exist at the time of the Exodus. "Among them are Dibon (Numbers 13:45), a city where the Israelites' camped on their way to invade Canaan, and Hebron (Numbers 13:22), another city targeted for invasion. Also included are the cities of Iyyn and Abel (biblical Abel [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim) both in Numbers 13: 45-50; Yom haMelach (Numbers 34:3); and Athar (Hebrew Atharim) (Numbers 21:1)."

Marvel comics mentions New York. But Spiderman isn't real. Neither is Wolverine. Exodus mentions Egypt as well. But exodus didn't happen just because Egypt exists.

3. Aper-el's Tomb: Possibly a Hebrew advisor to an Egyptian King. "They say his name is an Egyptian version of a Hebrew name. Aper-el was vizier to the famous Amenhotep III (1370-1293 B.C.E., 18th Dynasty) and later to his son, the monotheistic king Akhenaten. They dated the tomb around 1353-1335 B.C.E."

Soooo... first you cite a document that was written in 1650 BC or eariler... and then you cite a tomb from 1300 BC....
Because it has a name that may or may not be an egyptian version of a hebrew name... Good grief.

Hey, Julius is the Latin version of the name Julie. Clearly Ceasar was an american [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]....

4. The Shiphra Papyrus: "The Brooklyn Museum has a papyrus, possibly from Thebes, with a list of slaves from the Egyptian Middle Kingdom, about 1740 B.C.E. It includes a slave named Shiphra and others with Semitic names. In the Bible, a Hebrew woman with the same name, Shiphra, was one of two midwives the Pharaoh commissioned to kill all the male Hebrew children at the time Moses was born (Exod. 1:15) The fact that the name Shiphra is found in both the Bible and the papyrus indicates that the name and the woman's condition of slavery were familiar to both Israelites and Egyptians."

Roger Isaacs: Passover In Egypt: Did the Exodus Really Happen?

I can't find a single reference of this papyrus from a normal source. A search only reveals biblical sites. Unless you can give me an academic source about this, I'm gonna discard it at face value.

Funny, btw, that you copied everything from an article that exhibits nothing but doubt on the entire exodus story and then try to pass it as if this should be able to convince me that it happened.

I find all this "evidence" to be extremely weak and not consistent at all. Several of these things are centuries apart and some "hebrew sounding" names aren't impressive at all. Especially not considering that Egypt was an ancient super-power which was bound to have a big influence on the rest of the region (which would include naming, culture and language).

Got anything else?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Yet when Jews observe Passover, they are commemorating what is arguably the most important event of all time--the Exodus from Egypt. If for no other reason than the fact that the Exodus directly or indirectly generated many of the important events cited by other groups, this is the event of human history.

That it was a Jewish event is an eloquent tribute to the extraordinary role the Jewish people--so minute a fragment of the human race--have played in human history.
The Exodus Effect - My Jewish Learning

67 percent of Jews attend or hold the passover. That's more than half, Mr. Biggles.
Judaism 101: Pesach: Passover

hmm...

Muslims celebrate the event of Muhammed riding to heaven on a winged horse.

Draw the obvious conclusion using the same logic.

You may begin your special pleading now.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Only believing bible thumpers claim this. Actual egyptologists, archeologists, historians (in short: academia) reject this "interpretation" as selective reading and wishfull thinking. This is another example of how you start with a conclusion and then do everything you can to find things that you can fit into that a priori conclusion.




Marvel comics mentions New York. But Spiderman isn't real. Neither is Wolverine. Exodus mentions Egypt as well. But exodus didn't happen just because Egypt exists.




Soooo... first you cite a document that was written in 1650 BC or eariler... and then you cite a tomb from 1300 BC....
Because it has a name that may or may not be an egyptian version of a hebrew name... Good grief.

Hey, Julius is the Latin version of the name Julie. Clearly Ceasar was an american [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]....





I can't find a single reference of this papyrus from a normal source. A search only reveals biblical sites. Unless you can give me an academic source about this, I'm gonna discard it at face value.

Funny, btw, that you copied everything from an article that exhibits nothing but doubt on the entire exodus story and then try to pass it as if this should be able to convince me that it happened.

I find all this "evidence" to be extremely weak and not consistent at all. Several of these things are centuries apart and some "hebrew sounding" names aren't impressive at all. Especially not considering that Egypt was an ancient super-power which was bound to have a big influence on the rest of the region (which would include naming, culture and language).

Got anything else?

Yes, anyone else notice that often people seem to either try I use sources that don't support their point as a whole? I think some people must do it by accident by not reading the whole thing.

 

[AirPo]

But Spiderman isn't real.

WHAT?!?!?!!?


Dude, learn how to use spoiler tags.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Yes, anyone else notice that often people seem to either try I use sources that don't support their point as a whole? I think some people must do it by accident by not reading the whole thing.

Honestly, I have my doubts about it being an accident.
I have my doubts about them not realising to be using inadequate sources and weak evidence while ignoring the elephants in the room.

I used to think that they simply didn't know better and / or were ignorant or uneducated on the subjects.

But I doubt it these days. Like on the other topic where I explained no less then 4 times, in great detail, why asking about the "first" homo sapiens is an invalid question... After explaining it 4 times, I get a reply from the dude saying "BUT WHERE IS THE FIRST HUMAN???"

This is no longer accidental or a matter of "not knowing any better". This is simply being dishonest and unwilling to learn anything.

I'm getting the same feeling on the topic of exodus.