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[PsychoSarah]

My faith does not determine that Jesus is true. He determines wether He is true or not.

Well thank God Jesus was not only a man, now was He?? He was God too! If He was so ordinary and not influential, then our AD and BC would have no meaning!

I'm not giving bible verses here. I'm giving summeries because I know it doesn't matter to you guys anyway.

So who are the Jews then?

But Jesus didn't write in the bible (and even if you consider some portions to be written by him somehow, that still leaves the majority not written by him or eyewitnesses to events). Thus, normal people wrote it, and people are flawed. The Jews were probably a well established nomadic people in the Middle East for a long time before the Egyptian empire became strong. It is possible and perhaps even likely that they were harassed to some extent by Egyptians, but not enslaved to the extent presented in the bible.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Because Jesus already knew what the world was like and was going to be like. That's why He told His disciples many things and you can see them written in the Bible. The world today is exactly like He said it was.

The vague claims are hardly noteworthy.

 

[DogmaHunter]

My faith does not determine that Jesus is true. He determines wether He is true or not.

Your faith makes you accept the claim that "he is true".
This is something that you believe and that we don't believe.

I can't comprehend that I have to point this out.

Well thank God Jesus was not only a man, now was He??

Yes, I know that that is what you believe on faith. It's not what I believe.

He was God too! If He was so ordinary and not influential, then our AD and BC would have no meaning!

The road of history is paved with influential regular people. You don't need to be a supernatural super hero to have influential ideas and kick start global movements and religions. As demonstrated by Buddha and Muhammed.

I'm not giving bible verses here.

You're going by what the bible says about this dude named jezus. If that's not using bible verses, then what is?

I'm giving summeries because I know it doesn't matter to you guys anyway.

You realise that your bible doesn't matter to us, yet you keep using your bible as if it will convince us of anything.

So who are the Jews then?

As far as I can tell, jews are caanites who reinvented their history in legend form. Much like Romans invented a legendary story about Romulus and Remus who supposedly founded Rome.

 

[anyathesword]

I know the questions aren't directed at me, but out of boredom i'll answer anyway.




I've read the bible cover to cover twice. I re-read certain chapters afterwards.
I've also read the quran cover to cover, parts of the bagavad Ghita and some parts of Greek, Roman and Egyptian mythology.




Not really, no.
Each of these books have their own style and stuff, sure.
But all are obviously religious books written with an undertone of authority.




The book written with the biggest undertone of authority is by far the Quran.



lol. Do you even know how the bible was compiled? Centuries after jezus alledgelly lived? It sounds like you don't.

At least with the Quran, the book was compiled in full within 20 years after muhammed died (who, btw, certainly lived as there's plenty of contemporary and independent confirmation of the man existing). Not only was it compiled within 2 decades after his death... it was also compiled by his very companions. Meaning that the quran is a collection of first hand accounts, with no generations of oral tradition in between.

If we are going to use the way these books are compiled and written as a measure of how believable they are, then the Quran wins hands down. No competition at atll.



This is relevant why exactly?



It doesn't matter what you believe.



No different then Muhammed's companions then I guess. Except, off course, that we actually have evidence of the Quran being compiled in written form by those very people within 20 years after his death, while the bible was only compiled centuries later.

You should be carefull with these kinds of arguments if those exact arguments actually give more credibility to a rivaling religion.

Ouch. The Bible is more complicated than that!! It was written over a 1000 year period by over 40 different authors!!

Authors that did not even live in the same time period! There is so much future telling in the Bible, it's more than in any other religious book! Events that came to pass and other events that are still to come!

 

[anyathesword]

But Jesus didn't write in the bible (and even if you consider some portions to be written by him somehow, that still leaves the majority not written by him or eyewitnesses to events). Thus, normal people wrote it, and people are flawed. The Jews were probably a well established nomadic people in the Middle East for a long time before the Egyptian empire became strong. It is possible and perhaps even likely that they were harassed to some extent by Egyptians, but not enslaved to the extent presented in the bible.

The wonderful thing about the Bible that I did also get confused about earlier; is it is the WRITING that is inspired, not the people. The WRITING is what is perfect, true and correct and God inspired.

Do you believe other parts of the Bible? What do you agree with that is in the Bible?

 

[anyathesword]

Your faith makes you accept the claim that "he is true".
This is something that you believe and that we don't believe.

I can't comprehend that I have to point this out.



Yes, I know that that is what you believe on faith. It's not what I believe.



The road of history is paved with influential regular people. You don't need to be a supernatural super hero to have influential ideas and kick start global movements and religions. As demonstrated by Buddha and Muhammed.





You're going by what the bible says about this dude named jezus. If that's not using bible verses, then what is?



You realise that your bible doesn't matter to us, yet you keep using your bible as if it will convince us of anything.



As far as I can tell, jews are caanites who reinvented their history in legend form. Much like Romans invented a legendary story about Romulus and Remus who supposedly founded Rome.

I'm using Bible verses and my memory to myself to summerize and give to you. If I was using Bible verses I would list the book, chapter and verse and the whole verse. I don't, now do I?

I'd like you to go to a Jewish person and ask where they came from. You really think they invented their whole history, does that sound logical? And now they celebrate the Passover since many hundreds of years? And they all flock to Isreal? These are the chosen people of God, you know. You would offend them greatly I think, if you said that.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The wonderful thing about the Bible that I did also get confused about earlier; is it is the WRITING that is inspired, not the people. The WRITING is what is perfect, true and correct and God inspired.

Do you believe other parts of the Bible? What do you agree with that is in the Bible?

Most myths, legends, and stories have some basis in reality, although not necessarily a lot. I believe that Jesus was a real person or based on multiple people. I feel that he was perhaps a healer or a shaman (at the time, Jewish people had some of if not the best medicine practices, and they avoided harmful treatments such as blood letting), an occupation in which parlor tricks such as turning water to wine would have been advantageous (his exploits and healing capabilities exaggerated). I believe he was probably killed in a torturous manner, and crucifixion was common at the time. It wouldn't shock me if he claimed to have godlike powers or ancestry.

That is my personal take on Jesus.

There are scattered portions of the bible I feel could be realistic enough to occur, but overall they are few and far between. You can guarantee I don't believe:

1. Any of the biblical predictions or prophecies are significant, as many could have been tailored to make past events look like they fit predictions or people's details could have been added to make them fit preexisting prophecies. Also, many are such generalized statements that they lose any power as prophecies (basically, they predict stuff that is pretty much guaranteed to happen and would be more of a surprise if it didn't happen) and a few of them actually end up being wrong.

2. That Moses, Jesus, Noah, and other key people in the bible who supposedly had direct contact with god or could directly attest to the existence of the deity wrote or edited any portion of the bible, or that a deity itself had any direct influence on its contents.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ouch. The Bible is more complicated than that!! It was written over a 1000 year period by over 40 different authors!!

Authors that did not even live in the same time period! There is so much future telling in the Bible, it's more than in any other religious book! Events that came to pass and other events that are still to come!

And it shows the errors you would expect if a book was written in such a fashion. The Bible has hundreds of self contradictions:

BibViz Project - Bible Contradictions, Misogyny, Violence, Inaccuracies interactively visualized

 

[biggles53]

I'm not going to discuss a subject that you mock. If you are interested, you have great books on it and witness testimonies and doctor reports.

Stop being so sarcastic, I don't know what you are trying to do. You obviously do not understand these subjects and how they work. I'm not a good little Christian and I never claimed to be.

Study for yourself if you are interested. You don't go hunting down witches to kill them. Please don't say stupid things.

Witches are normal people with demons Inside of them. They invite the demons into themselves willingly. They perform all kinds of supernatural acts. In the end they are destroyed by the demons Inside of them. These demons are too powerful for a human to fight. Only the name of Jesus can cast them out.

Do you ever take time to Watch movies based on true stories or do you just mock things because you think it's all fantasy and not true? These kind of things are not a joke. Take the Exorcism of Emily Rose for example.

Anyway, suit yourself and think what you will.

Ummmm......you really don't know your own holy book, do you....?

In it, you are commanded to kill witches...! Does the admonition "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" ring any bells with you..? Or have you, like so many of your brethren, neatly excised those sections that don't sit so well with you...?

And again, please indicate the diseases that are caused by 'demons' .... I'm sure medical science would be grateful for the input.......

 

[biggles53]

You really don't understand do you? You don't get the simple point I'm getting across. Let's use the Law as an example.

All countries have laws. Driving Under the influence is against the Law. The Law here has the authority whether you like it or not.

So if I were to come and tell you my law is right because I say it is right! All other laws are not true because they are not MY laws!!!

Does that even make any sense to you?

The Law is the Authority whether you believe it to be or not.

I don't think I am as stupid as you think I am. You obviously are having a hard time with a simple subject here.

Jesus is the Authority. NOT whether I say or not! That's what HE said!

And stop acting like you know what I think, because you obviously don't know.

You're like the boy with the wheelbarrow.....all your work is still in front of you...!

You have yet to establish that a lawmaker exists, let alone whether or not its laws are valid...!

 

[biggles53]

Well thank God Jesus was not only a man, now was He?? He was God too! If He was so ordinary and not influential, then our AD and BC would have no meaning!

You are kidding.....! That is the most juvenile justification I think I've ever heard...!

Jesus exists because we structure our time scale around his purported birth...! Of course it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that those scales were put into place by the Romans, who just happened to have adopted that religion and imposed it upon the known world, would it...!?

By that cretinous logic, we have obviously proven that the Norse gods exist as well, because we have named our days of the week after them....!

 

[biggles53]

I'm using Bible verses and my memory to myself to summerize and give to you. If I was using Bible verses I would list the book, chapter and verse and the whole verse. I don't, now do I?

I'd like you to go to a Jewish person and ask where they came from. You really think they invented their whole history, does that sound logical? And now they celebrate the Passover since many hundreds of years? And they all flock to Isreal? These are the chosen people of God, you know. You would offend them greatly I think, if you said that.

Yes....they invented their own history.....as many have done down through the ages....

THEIR OWN ACADEMICS AND RESEARCHERS plainly concede that there was NEVER an enslavement in Egypt, nor a consequent exodus.....ALL the evidence points to the Jews being a rebellious under-class who managed to overthrow the ruling class in Canaa......

 

[dad]

THEIR OWN ACADEMICS AND RESEARCHERS plainly concede that there was NEVER an enslavement in Egypt, nor a consequent exodus...

They do not speak in any way for believers! Whoever they are they are not believers in God and His word, whatever comes out of their mouth.

..ALL the evidence points to the Jews being a rebellious under-class who managed to overthrow the ruling class in Canaa......

Dream on. Better yet, pony up.

 

[dad]

And it shows the errors you would expect if a book was written in such a fashion. The Bible has hundreds of self contradictions:..http://bibviz.com/

False.

 

[Subduction Zone]

They do not speak in any way for believers! Whoever they are they are not believers in God and His word, whatever comes out of their mouth.
Dream on. Better yet, pony up.

dad!!

How could you?

You know when it comes to evidence you have zilch!

 

[Subduction Zone]

False.

Nope, I could even provide you a link to them.

Hours of fun and enjoyment for the whole family!

 

[dad]

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False. We are commanded to preach the good news that Salvation has come. Don't try to pull an Obama on us here.

 

[dad]

Nope, I could even provide you a link to them.

Hours of fun and enjoyment for the whole family!

False. Those that chose to think God is wrong, are only showing the informed that they are wrong.

 

[dad]

Each of these books have their own style and stuff, sure.
But all are obviously religious books written with an undertone of authority.

Better with the help of God to read one and understand somewhat, than to read many and not do so.

 

[Subduction Zone]

False. We are commanded to preach the good news that Salvation has come. Don't try to pull an Obama on us here.

I see you have no answers to biggles post.

As usual you failed one of the basic demands of the Bible:


1 Peter 3:15 - But in your hearts revere Christ as - Bible Gateway