CSA Flag varient to stay in Mississippi

[AmericanChristian91]

Your ignorance is duly noted.



Because they were right.

There right when hell freezes over.

How is promoting racism/slavery ok, and turning against ones nation because they dislikes the views of the President and his Republican party, right?

There is nothing right in wanting a slavery institution to not only be further protected in the south, but have it expand to new territories.

A land whose white citizens mostly opposed abolition and enslaved his brothers of another color more so then the North, and justifies it under God is twisted.

What were you taught about the causes of the civil war?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Slavery had iron clad protection under the constitution of the United States of America until the end of 1865. Slavery existed 20x longer in the United States of America than it did in the Confederacy. The United States has committed far more atrocities against “people of color” than the Confederacy ever did and far more oppression and discrimination. Not only were Union armies committing unrestricted warfare on white women, children and old people in Georgia during the march to the sea, but the glorious Union armies were also committing unrestricted warfare on Native American women, children and old people in Wisconsin and Colorado territory. Yet we have a national holiday to celebrate all this in July. And we buy little flag decals to support the troops. And our leaders always end their speeches with “God bless the United States of America.”

There are a lot of hypocrites here.

 

[South Bound]

Slavery had iron clad protection under the constitution of the United States of America until the end of 1865. Slavery existed 20x longer in the United States of America than it did in the Confederacy. The United States has committed far more atrocities against “people of color” than the Confederacy ever did and far more oppression and discrimination. Not only were Union armies committing unrestricted warfare on white women, children and old people in Georgia during the march to the sea, but the glorious Union armies were also committing unrestricted warfare on Native American women, children and old people in Wisconsin and Colorado territory. Yet we have a national holiday to celebrate all this in July. And we buy little flag decals to support the troops. And our leaders always end their speeches with “God bless the United States of America.”

There are a lot of hypocrites here.

This is what I always wonder.

Slavery was permitted far longer under the American flag than under the Confederate flag. Slave ships sailed under the American flag, not the Confederate flag. Numerous atrocities were committed against the Indians under the American flag. The KKK was reinstated by a Democrat president literally standing under the American flag. Likewise, the military was segregated by a Democrat president under the American flag. Thousands of Japanese, Italians, and Germans were imprisoned without trial for no reason other than their ethnicity under the American flag. The Ku Klux Klan marched with the American flag. Democrat Jim Crow laws existed under the American flag.

And yet, you never hear them call for the American flag to be taken down because of what it has represented.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Slavery had iron clad protection under the constitution of the United States of America until the end of 1865. Slavery existed 20x longer in the United States of America than it did in the Confederacy. The United States has committed far more atrocities against “people of color” than the Confederacy ever did and far more oppression and discrimination. Not only were Union armies committing unrestricted warfare on white women, children and old people in Georgia during the march to the sea, but the glorious Union armies were also committing unrestricted warfare on Native American women, children and old people in Wisconsin and Colorado territory. Yet we have a national holiday to celebrate all this in July. And we buy little flag decals to support the troops. And our leaders always end their speeches with “God bless the United States of America.”

There are a lot of hypocrites here.

I am aware of America's sins. I know what people have done, and I know the North wasn't pure in the war.

You seem to be separating the CSA completely from America. Slavery after all, existed in those southern states for a LONG time. The ideals that later developed into the CSA sure were not developed right before the war. Roots for the Civil War can be traced much farther back. After all the Southern states would not have joined the new Union if slavery was made illegal in the Constitution.

Also the 4th of July is not celebrating the destruction that Americans did to native Americans, but celebrating our independence day from Great Britain. If I might add, an Independence that was not founded on further expanding and promoting slavery like the CSA was.

Yes their is a lot of dirt on the USA flag. But there is also improvement in the civil rights realm in that flag. I can't say the same for the CSA flag.

 

[SummerMadness]

Slavery had iron clad protection under the constitution of the United States of America until the end of 1865. Slavery existed 20x longer in the United States of America than it did in the Confederacy. The United States has committed far more atrocities against “people of color” than the Confederacy ever did and far more oppression and discrimination. Not only were Union armies committing unrestricted warfare on white women, children and old people in Georgia during the march to the sea, but the glorious Union armies were also committing unrestricted warfare on Native American women, children and old people in Wisconsin and Colorado territory. Yet we have a national holiday to celebrate all this in July. And we buy little flag decals to support the troops. And our leaders always end their speeches with “God bless the United States of America.”

There are a lot of hypocrites here.

You can't make such a comparison as the Confederacy never had the opportunity to have slavery longer because they lost the war. As for atrocities, of course the United States has committed atrocities, but it also has done many wonderful things under the flag. Maybe the Confederacy could have done wonderful things under the stars and bars, but that's a moot point. It's a failed state that only existed for four years and the entirety of its four years was devoted to maintaining a racist institution.

I think it's a little intellectually dishonest to cite American slavery considering the people most devoted (and the ones who demanded the 3/5 Compromise) were the people that seceded and formed the Confederacy. Yes, there were Union states with slaves, but every Confederate state had slavery, that's what they stood for. States' rights was the battle cry because they wanted to maintain the institution of slavery. You cannot divorce the Confederacy from slavery, it requires too much intellectual dishonesty.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

I like to fly the confederacy's last flag personally.

I like to celebrate April 13th, or as I call it: The Day The Traitors Lost, every year by desecrating any version of the confederate flag. Long live the Union and long live the US of A.

 

[AceHero]

Yes their is a lot of dirt on the USA flag. But there is also improvement in the civil rights realm in that flag. I can't say the same for the CSA flag.

The meaning of the American flag is constantly changing. The Confederate flag, not so much.

 

[grandvizier1006]

I like to fly the confederacy's last flag personally.

I like to celebrate April 13th, or as I call it: The Day The Traitors Lost, every year by desecrating any version of the confederate flag. Long live the Union and long live the US of A.

I get that you're trying to be funny, but it's quite condescending to mock everybody in the South as "traitors", especially considering that there are a lot more Christians here than in Ohio.

 

[SummerMadness]

I get that you're trying to be funny, but it's quite condescending to mock everybody in the South as "traitors", especially considering that there are a lot more Christians here than in Ohio.

Do you know what's more condescending? Telling a group of people that were terrorized by slavery and segregation with the Confederacy used as the standard bearer, and then telling those people they're stupid and/or wrong for considering it a symbol of subjugation and oppression.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

I get that you're trying to be funny, but it's quite condescending to mock everybody in the South as "traitors", especially considering that there are a lot more Christians here than in Ohio.

What does being a christian have to do with it? While the confederacy committed treason, they still saw themselves as a christian nation. In the south you would have people who were pro confederacy and pro slavery while believing in Jesus Christ. Also remember he is mocking the South of long ago that did commit treason. It would be a mistake if ChristSoldier mocked the modern day southerners as traitors.

 

[Tallguy88]

I like to fly the confederacy's last flag personally.

I like to celebrate April 13th, or as I call it: The Day The Traitors Lost, every year by desecrating any version of the confederate flag. Long live the Union and long live the US of A.

Ironically, your picture is of two traitors, one of whom was a life-long a slave owner.

 

[South Bound]

What does being a christian have to do with it? While the confederacy committed treason

How so? All the Confederate states wanted to do was leave the Union. Even the Declaration of Independence and Lee Declaration acknowledge their right to do that.

How is simply wanting out "treason"?

 

[SummerMadness]

How so? All the Confederate states wanted to do was leave the Union. Even the Declaration of Independence and Lee Declaration acknowledge their right to do that.

How is simply wanting out "treason"?

There goes that intellectual dishonesty again, it wasn't just about leaving the Union, it was leaving the Union because they did not want the institution of slavery impeded.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Also secession is not a right they had since the states had agreed to follow the constitution, be apart of the UNITED states of America. Secession further showed to be unconstitutional after the war by the Supreme Court in Texas vs White.

 

[Armoured]

I get that you're trying to be funny, but it's quite condescending to mock everybody in the South as "traitors", especially considering that there are a lot more Christians here than in Ohio.

Be8ng Christian doesn't preclude one from treason, so thatskind of an odd thing to say about there being more Christians.

 

[grandvizier1006]

What does being a christian have to do with it? While the confederacy committed treason, they still saw themselves as a christian nation. In the south you would have people who were pro confederacy and pro slavery while believing in Jesus Christ. Also remember he is mocking the South of long ago that did commit treason. It would be a mistake if ChristSoldier mocked the modern day southerners as traitors.

You probably wouldn't understand because you're not a white southerner. The entertainment Industry mocks us and calls us racists, not just our ancestors but all of us as well (and they tend to ignore the black population of the south), and insists that we were all just inherently evil when we were trying to defend ourselves. Do you honestly think that the ancestor of mine that wrote a letter to his mother as he was dying--a bloodstained letter, I might add--was thinking to himself, "it's a darn shame I got killed. Now how am I supposed to go back home and whip the n******?"

He and the thousands who died in that war weren't fighting for the right to be racist. Maybe the higher-ups like Jefferson Davis and some plantation owners, but the vast majority of people, even the--gasp!--racist ones bled and died, maybe for nothing other an the defense of his family, since his country was apparently illegitimate in most people's eyes.

When you make light of the deaths of so many AMERICANS and denigrate them as "traitors", and constantly rub it in to us Southerners that we lost a civil war, therefore we are "losers", even though we ourselves had no part in this war and I didn't even choose to be born here, you assign beliefs to a mass group of people and dehumanize them. I hate how ideologies on both sides love doing that, assuming that "the enemy" is this vast, monolithic block of evil people to justify their own side.

For us to look back at the Civil War and say that it was a struggle of good vs. evil simply because of 21st-century fusses over a piece of cloth--which I don't care for, I'm from Mississippi and I want it off my flag, too--is condescending, rude, dehumanizing, and un-Christian. On top of that, I have relatives in Ohio as well that would never stoop to this sort of level.

 

[grandvizier1006]

Do you know what's more condescending? Telling a group of people that were terrorized by slavery and segregation with the Confederacy used as the standard bearer, and then telling those people they're stupid and/or wrong for considering it a symbol of subjugation and oppression.

I never said you were stupid. I agree with you that the Confederate flag needs to be taken down. What I can't stand is your biased view on the issue. I know this will Probably come off as rude, but are you black? Have KKK people personally accosted you or a loved one, particularly while brandishing the Confederate flag? Did you know someone who was killed at the church in South Carolina?

I'd say we've been equally condescended to in life.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

He and the thousands who died in that war weren't fighting for the right to be racist. Maybe the higher-ups like Jefferson Davis and some plantation owners, but the vast majority of people, even the--gasp!--racist ones bled and died, maybe for nothing other an the defense of his family, since his country was apparently illegitimate in most people's eyes.

Sorry for offending you, and your right that we shouldn't mock people, even those who long ago made the error in trying to break away from the USA.

But I do want to talk about what you said above.

Fighting in the name of defending the Southern way of life/power (includes slavery and its expansion) went beyond plantation owners and the higher ups such as their President. Of course fighting to maintain a racist institution (especially when the North were trying to free slaves in the confederacy) was also mixed with defending ones home. Can't maintain your natural order of things if you let the North steamroll over southern land.

I agree that there were various reasons why non-slave owning white southerners fought, some probably didn't even have racism on their mind. But generally speaking, the reason why many southerners tried to leave the Union and later fought to defend their Confederacy, because they saw the USA as a threat to their natural/southern way of things (also mixed with seeing the North being against their religious beliefs and anti-slavery attitude influencing slave revolts and would be a ruin to the south,etc).

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/civil-war-overview/why-non-slaveholding.html

 

[William67]

You cannot select the history you like and conveniently ignore the facts that you don't like. A main cause of the Civil War was slavery.

Who owned slaves is irrelevant, the Confederacy, and those who fought for it, would have preserved the institution of slavery. Who sold their own people? Africans did not see themselves in terms of color, so the fact that they would sell an enemy to a European slave trader does not mean they sold their own people. Regardless of skin color, slavery is subjugating and oppressing your own people.

It never stopped being an issue, just because you didn't notice it does not mean it was not considered an issue.

Meanings change, and the meaning of the Confederate flag became worse when it was taken up as a mantle to protest desegregation. As I said, you can't just ignore the inconvenient facts.

Anyone who doesn't like the flag is free to leave and move somewhere they would feel more comfortable, like Detroit, NYC, San Francisco, etc.

 

[AceHero]

You cannot select the history you like and conveniently ignore the facts that you don't like. A main cause of the Civil War was slavery.

Who owned slaves is irrelevant, the Confederacy, and those who fought for it, would have preserved the institution of slavery. Who sold their own people? Africans did not see themselves in terms of color, so the fact that they would sell an enemy to a European slave trader does not mean they sold their own people. Regardless of skin color, slavery is subjugating and oppressing your own people.

It never stopped being an issue, just because you didn't notice it does not mean it was not considered an issue.

Meanings change, and the meaning of the Confederate flag became worse when it was taken up as a mantle to protest desegregation. As I said, you can't just ignore the inconvenient facts.

Anyone who doesn't like the flag is free to leave and move somewhere they would feel more comfortable, like Detroit, NYC, San Francisco, etc.

Or pretty much any other city in the North, large or small, that sees the stars and stripes as emblematic of our nation.