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Thank you. The people of Miss. seem to be OK with that flag so why should we not be. If a person does not like that there are 49 other states to choose from you do not have to reside within the state lines.
If I remembered what we were taught, then I'd tell you, but I'd say it was fairly objective.
I didn't expect you to have a balanced view of the subject. Very nicely said.
It was the same when I took US history in HS and University in Arkansas. Slavery was indeed the prime cause of secession. Yet the war itself wasn't fought over slavery, from either Northern or Southern perspective. If that had been the issue, too few people would have fought. The North fought to preserve the Union, but Linciln waited for the South to fire the first shot, which Gen. Beauregard did at Ft. Sumpter. The South fought to defend itself from the subsequent invading Northern Army. It's telling that four states (Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina, and Tennessee) seceded only after Lincoln called for troops to invade the South. Prior to that, those states were ambivalent about secession.
You cannot separate the Confederacy from its racist past. The problem with people waving around the Confederate flag is they deny it has any connection to racism, that is patently absurd. Trying to turn this into a "both sides are wrong" argument is ridiculous as you are constructing a false equivalence. It's not about one side simply wanting heritage, it's about claiming heritage while ignoring the hate. The Confederacy had slavery at its cornerstone, it was in all the state constitutions, it was the topic with the heaviest modification in the CSA Constitution. It was referenced in speeches by politicians, it was referenced in letters by Confederate troops. Following the dissolution of the Confederacy, former Confederate soldiers formed the KKK and began a decades long campaign of terrorism against African Americans. The Confederacy was heavily referenced in response to desegregation efforts. This is the history, these are the facts. When people turn around and claim the flag has no connection to racism or oppression, it is a lie. It is no different than someone saying the Nazi flag has no connection to the Holocaust.
How so? Southern heritage? How can they call it that when so many African Americans disagree? States' rights? But that's connected to institution of slavery. Simply to honor Southern soldiers? And what were they fighting for? The issue is not their pride, it's the denial and lying about history.
You're making things up now, nowhere in this thread or the linked stories is there an effort "make" companies stop manufacturing the flag. That is a complete lie.
The view that the Confederacy has nothing to do with racism is a lie, that is not political correctness. Denying history because it's inconvenient is dishonest and disrespectful to the many people hurt by those who used the flag as their standard bearer.
Doh! Of course you're right. Not enough coffee this morning...Sorry, it was Virginia, not Florida. Florida was the third one to leave.
Yes, exactly. The last vote was to wait an see what happens, then come back and vote on whether or not to put a referendum on the ballot for all the voters to decide. But Lincoln calling for troops after Ft. Sumpter incensed people so much, they voted overwhelmingly (unanimously except for one delegate) to secede.
All I'm for is for the people of the state to decide. If they decide to change it, that's fine by me. I just don't want the politicians to do it against the will of the people.
The First KKK lasted less than a decade and was dissolved by General Forrest after he saw how bad it had become. The Klan of the 20s, which is the Klan most people are familiar with, was a separate organization that formed and used the imagery of the First Klan. But it was not an organic continuation of the original Klan.
The first Klan, now was it just freed slaves or were there some anti-reconstruction and anti-carpetbagger in there somewhere too?
My understanding was that it primarily targeted Carpetbaggers (Republican Yankees who moved South) and the Blacks who allied with them. It got bad, so that is why Gen Forrest disbanded it.
That would be the revisionist history talking, the first Klan was disbanded because they were classified as a terrorist organization by the federal government and were soon prosecuted for their crimes. By the time they died out, they were a broken organization.
