CSA Flag varient to stay in Mississippi

[dogs4thewin]

See, they didn't support slavery, they just fought for it.

Not all of them. There were even people from CANADA that fought with the south. Not everyone that lived in the south support slavery or the war. Not everyone in the north opposed slavery .

 

[AmericanChristian91]

It is very sad that the Lost Cause movement of the South is still alive after so many years, I wish it would just die and everyone would know the causes of the war without resorting to tactics that say the CSA Flag doesn't represent racism and slavery wasn't actually a key factor for the war.

I wonder what is taught in Mississippi schools about the civil war. Hopefully.....pardon the pun, they don't "whitewash" the actual reasons why the southern states turned against the USA.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I do not understand what you're saying, please clarify your post.

Yes South Africa was an example of reverse racism.

When you asked about what blacks owned where the racism was occuring I pointed out that a black could be racist they do not have to own anything or be part of some big company or group to be racist.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Not all of them. There were even people from CANADA that fought with the south. Not everyone that lived in the south support slavery or the war. Not everyone in the north opposed slavery .

Your right on all those factors. Some simply joined in the CSA army because their state went Rebel, and they didn't want to fight their own state (more loyalty to state then country).

BUT

All what you said doesn't change the fact that most people in the South supported slavery and the cause of secession and the CSA. If more then 50% of the white southerners were against the ideals of the CSA.....well it would be VERY surprising how the Confederacy would even be developed and last as long as it did.

 

[MoonofIsaiah]

I'd hope Mississippi schools would avow education and teach students about the history that made their present possible in Mississippi.And in the nation of America as a whole.

Equality in education argument fails and falls in on itself if present prejudices rewrite past truths.
Political Correctness is a term that should forewarn in itself. When has politics ever acted correctly?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Your right on all those factors. Some simply joined in the CSA army because their state went Rebel, and they didn't want to fight their own state (more loyalty to state then country).

BUT

All what you said doesn't change the fact that most people in the South supported slavery and the cause of secession and the CSA. If more then 50% of the white southerners were against the ideals of the CSA.....well it would be VERY surprising how the Confederacy would even be developed and last as long as it did.

Today the south ( by in-large still is for small government, so it that sense it is certainly more than a flag.

 

[SummerMadness]

Yes South Africa was an example of reverse racism.

South Africa was not an example of reverse racism, reverse racism is a made up term.

When you asked about what blacks owned where the racism was occuring I pointed out that a black could be racist they do not have to own anything or be part of some big company or group to be racist.

Older definitions of racism do not include an important aspect of racism, it is not simply disliking or feeling superiority to another group, it is taking that attitude and ascribing power to it. Hence when the KKK marches, it's yawn-worthy as they no longer wield the power they once held. So what institutions do African Americans control that give them power to discriminate against other groups racially?

And to explain white privilege, white privilege is pointing out that American society is geared and designed to the benefit of White Americans. For instance, when it comes to school standards, there are often demands that standards be increased or unchanged when comparing students to African American and Latino students (arguing that they must not be held back), but then arguing to slow things down due to stress when compared to Asian students (arguing that it is too competitive). In both cases, the system is catering to the White majority.

Another great example is right-hand privilege. Most people in the world are right-handed, thus products and facilities are designed to cater to a right-handed populous.

Today the south ( by in-large still is for small government, so it that sense it is certainly more than a flag.

Yet they take the most in federal dollars per capita.

 

[MoonofIsaiah]

Isn't it fascinating how more and more our beingness and reality is becoming labeled as a privilege? What's that make it for everything else?

 

[dogs4thewin]

South Africa was not an example of reverse racism, reverse racism is a made up term.

Older definitions of racism do not include an important aspect of racism, it is not simply disliking or feeling superiority to another group, it is taking that attitude and ascribing power to it. Hence when the KKK marches, it's yawn-worthy as they no longer wield the power they once held. So what institutions do African Americans control that give them power to discriminate against other groups racially?

And to explain white privilege, white privilege is pointing out that American society is geared and designed to the benefit of White Americans. For instance, when it comes to school standards, there are often demands that standards be increased or unchanged when comparing students to African American and Latino students (arguing that they must not be held back), but then arguing to slow things down due to stress when compared to Asian students (arguing that it is too competitive). In both cases, the system is catering to the White majority.

Another great example is right-hand privilege. Most people in the world are right-handed, thus products and facilities are designed to cater to a right-handed populous.

Yet they take the most in federal dollars per capita.

Right handness though is a bit different since that CAN in fact be a safety issue, so it would stand to reason that if a large majority of people are right-handed which is the case that things would by in large be designed for them.

 

[SummerMadness]

Isn't it fascinating how more and more our beingness and reality is becoming labeled as a privilege? What's that make it for everything else?

It is a privilege to be right-handed. When you buy something in the store, it is already designed for you. If you need something with a right-handed design, you are guaranteed to find it in the store (and likely in your size). Left-handed people are more limited. Simply pointing that out is not suggesting that left-handed people cannot succeed or function in this world, it's just not designed for them.

Right handness though is a bit different since that CAN in fact be a safety issue, so it would stand to reason that if a large majority of people are right-handed which is the case that things would by in large be designed for them.

That is irrelevant, the world is still advantageous to right-handed people.

 

[MoonofIsaiah]

I think it's a right to have the private life.

 

[zippy2]

Getting back to the OP, I wish Mississippi would elect to have the Bonny Blue Flag as its state flag. It is very pretty and maybe everyone would calm down.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I have no issue it is a FLAG OK a FLAG.

I don't think you'd ever fly a Nazi banner especially not in front of Jews or Holocaust survivors or even modern Germans for that matter, because of what that flag means. Now consider the Confederate flag means about the same to many people in our country. If people want to own one privately and fly it on their property then that is one thing and I have no problem with that but I don't see why any US State would fly the flag or honor the symbols of a now defunct state from 150 years ago that seceded from our country to maintain the barbaric system of slavery while we tried to move away from it.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

The flag of Hawaii. We have fought two bloody wars with Great Britain, yet the symbol of the bloody regime of King George III still adorns a state flag. Where is the outrage?

That's a good point. I'm not exactly sure why I have a problem with one and not the other.

 

[AceHero]

I have no issue it is a FLAG OK a FLAG.

A flag belonging to a failed, illegitimate, non-existent nation.

Well, no,, but it is not as if most in the south today dislike blacks it is about being proud of being southern if people cannot handle that that is their issue.

No one's saying one can't be proud of being a Southerner. But at least to us Northerners the Confederate flag represents the darkest period in our nation's history. You can fly it from your house all you want. But there's no reason for state governments to embrace it.

 

[SummerMadness]

Southern heritage, does that include African Americans? If so, why is so much energy devoted to a symbol they don't consider part of their heritage or worthy of recognition? I wonder why they dislike the symbol so much?

I can't wait for someone to point out, "African Americans owned slaves!" Because the less than 1% of African Americans who owned slaves means that African Americans should not see slavery as a problem of race. In that same breath, let's tout the sliver of white Southerners who owned slave to decouple the South from slavery.

 

[Tallguy88]

Glad Mississippi didn't bow to political correctness. If the people want to keep the flag as is, then the politicians and activists shouldn't be able to force it to be changed.

 

[SummerMadness]

Glad Mississippi didn't bow to political correctness. If the people want to keep the flag as is, then the politicians and activists shouldn't be able to force it to be changed.

And they shouldn't complain when people call them racists.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

People have been calling Mississippi racist long before I was born and haven’t stopped yet. I think they are used to it by now.

 

[Armoured]

Flags are symbols, symbols have meaning. If they were flying a pentagram in honor of Satan, many Christians would be justifiably outraged. Likewise if they were flying the flag of Nazi Germany, Jewish people (and many other people) would be justifiably outraged. Flags are symbols, symbols have meaning.

I think we've had this discussion before. Symbols have associated meaning, but it's important to remember that that's all it is. They don't have inherent meaning.

That said, much as I personally like the Confederate flag and admire the martial accomplishments of the South, and as much as I acknowledge that slavery wasn't the ONLY issue in the Rebellion, and that there were black Confederate soldiers, and yada yada yada... I still think any intellectually honest person can see why keeping the a Confederate emblem as part of a state and governments iconography is a bad idea and sends a racist message.