CRT and Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

[SilverBear]

Most of the people here asking for evidence have been given evidence already on other threads.

They aren't holding their beliefs because of evidence. I think it's more accurate to treat them like cultists.

Ask what evidence they would want....and they can't answer. It might force them to admit the cult exists.

you just described yourself.

 

[TLK Valentine]

CRT scholars. CRT has multiple offshoots. Critical Gender Studies, Critical Latinx Studies, Critical Indigenous Studies, Critical Feminist Studies, Critical Queer Studies,...

Critical Whiteness Studies is where most of your brand new beliefs about racism come from and basically none of it is supported by any evidence.

And which of these is your own specialty?

It's a rather common gripe. She doesn't want to stop teaching, she just doesn't want to indoctrinate children.

I've heard it often enough myself -- but "common" doesn't mean "true."

 

[TLK Valentine]

Academic work that can easily be faked, checked by peer reviewers, and published....

Then given an award.



It's possible....it's also possible it's CRT.

There's a way to figure out which is true.



What would you accept as evidence it's being taught?

Let's start with an intelligent discussion regarding what it actually is, and we can take it from there.

 

[rjs330]

as a teacher I did almost this very thing. Excellent and important lesson!

Are you suggesting kids shouldn't have a metacognitive understanding of their own identity and how that affects their views and their place in a culture?

Yes we know you believe in teaching CRT. And you were trying to claim it wasn't being taught. And you are doing it yourself!

 

[TLK Valentine]

as a teacher I did almost this very thing. Excellent and important lesson!

Are you suggesting kids shouldn't have a metacognitive understanding of their own identity and how that affects their views and their place in a culture?

Indeed -- the present is a useful tool for understanding the past. We live in a society where all cultures, not just the dominant one, must be respected... but that wasn't always the case, was it?

That understanding can give students an appreciation for how far we've come as a society -- which will keep them from getting frustrated with what needs to be done next.

 

[rjs330]

It's not 1991

This isn't from 1991.
There is No Neutral on Racism and Hate: Back to School for White Educators

Racism is systemic and deliberate: Delgado and Stefancic say CRT teaches that “racism is ordinary, not aberrational,” it is “the usual way society does business,” though unacknowledged by some. It is imbedded in all institutions and, especially, in the law – understood as “white supremacy,” “white privilege” or “whiteness as property.” Racism is deliberate, and whites only move to eliminate racism when it benefits them.

Think this isn’t taught in schools? In Maine, a school district sent a statement to parents on equity that read, “In a culture that continually reinforces white supremacy, justice can only be achieved when we confront and repair the anti-Blackness woven through every aspect of society—in our homes, schools, workplaces, communities, places of worship, and government.”

Kimberlé Crenshaw, an early CRT activist, coined the term to describe how someone might be disadvantaged because of multiple aspects of their identity, such as being black, female and same-sex attracted. Various aspects of personality are seen as empowering or oppressed.

This manifests in schools, as when third graders in Cupertion were taught about intersectionality and asked “to deconstruct their racial and sexual identities, then rank themselves according to their ‘power and privilege.’”

So yes it is being taught in schools. You and other deniers are defining the issue as narrow. If there isn't a class on CRT or a curriculum that specifically says CRT, then it isn't being taught. What's happening is the principles of CRT ARE being taught without labeling it as CRT. And that is undeniable.

But go ahead and deny anyway. Weve got you number. You are not fooling anyone.

Is ‘Critical Race Theory’ Being Taught in Public Schools? CRT Deniers Claim it Isn’t

VA education department boosts critical race theory despite McAuliffe claim

11/11/20 Crystal Community Antiracism/DEI Updates

 

[LeafByNiggle]

This isn't from 1991.
There is No Neutral on Racism and Hate: Back to School for White Educators

No, it isn't from 1991, but it is just an opinion blog, citing anecdotes. By careful curating of anecdotes, one can prove just about anything.

Think this isn’t taught in schools? In Maine, a school district sent a statement to parents on equity that read, “In a culture that continually reinforces white supremacy, justice can only be achieved when we confront and repair the anti-Blackness woven through every aspect of society—in our homes, schools, workplaces, communities, places of worship, and government.”

It is a statement to parents, not a curriculum taught to children.

It is interesting to note the contrast between this recent denial of the role of racism and oppression, and the way Germany has embraced their Nazi past. Even though the Nazi era lasted about a decade, and American oppression of blacks has a history of more than a century, German society has firmly rejected their Nazi past not by denial but by education. Teaching the subject of the Holocaust and the Nazi era is mandatory in German schools and in addition to the classroom curriculum, almost all students have either visited a concentration camp or a Holocaust memorial or museum. We should take a lesson from Germany.

 

[rjs330]

is a statement to parents, not a curriculum taught to children.

Did you miss the part where it said "in our schools"? They admitted what they are working at.

Don't be naive

 

[rjs330]

is interesting to note the contrast between this recent denial of the role of racism and oppression, and the way Germany has embraced their Nazi past. Even though the Nazi era lasted about a decade, and American oppression of blacks has a history of more than a century, German society has firmly rejected their Nazi past not by denial but by education. Teaching the subject of the Holocaust and the Nazi era is mandatory in German schools and in addition to the classroom curriculum, almost all students have either visited a concentration camp or a Holocaust memorial or museum. We should take a lesson from Germany.

Who's denying any role of racism and oppression in American history? Last I knew history classes included lessons on slavery and black oppression during Jim Crow era and about the Civil War, Civil Rights.

Just how many Americans don't know anything about that?

You guys act like it's all been erased from history. What utter nonsense.

 

[rambot]

Yes we know you believe in teaching CRT. And you were trying to claim it wasn't being taught. And you are doing it yourself!

HAHA!
No I'm not.
I am teaching kids how to understand their IDENTITY. Why do you have a problem with that?

ALSO, this has been a part of our provincial curriculum since 2002. This is not some kind of CRT.

You've created some kinda weird boogeyman that you are thoughtlessly apply because you're freaked out.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Evidence in a debate is a citation of independent and authoritative sources for the information being claimed.

Could you be less vague?

Earlier I posted an article that included screenshots from state education boards.

It said they embrace CRT and consider it "best practices".

It seems like a state education board is pretty authoritative.

 

[RDKirk]

Delgado and Stefancic say CRT teaches that “racism is ordinary, not aberrational,” it is “the usual way society does business,” though unacknowledged by some. It is imbedded in all institutions and, especially, in the law – understood as “white supremacy,” “white privilege” or “whiteness as property.” Racism is deliberate, and whites only move to eliminate racism when it benefits them.

That's true, though. That's true of any sin, as handled by the flesh.

Racism had certainly been embedded in American law, although it has gradually been rooted out since the 60s. Is it all out? Probably not quite yet. That should be taught honestly.

 

[Ana the Ist]

HAHA!
No I'm not.
I am teaching kids how to understand their IDENTITY. Why do you have a problem with that?

Why would you think you are justified or capable of defining the important part of children's identities?

 

[TLK Valentine]

You've created some kinda weird boogeyman that you are thoughtlessly apply because you're freaked out.

It's how authoritarians appeal to the masses:

Step 1: Create a problem.
Step 2: Blame The Other for the problem.
Step 3: Promote oneself as the only One who can rescue the masses from the problem.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That's true, though. That's true of any sin, as handled by the flesh.

Racism had certainly been embedded in American law, although it has gradually been rooted out since the 60s. Is it all out? Probably not quite yet. That should be taught honestly.

Whites only move to eliminate racism when it benefits them?

And you think that's true?

You genuinely believe that the whites who supported and passed the Civil Rights Act were doing it out of selfish reasons?

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's how authoritarians appeal to the masses:

Step 1: Create a problem.
Step 2: Blame The Other for the problem.
Step 3: Promote oneself as the only One who can rescue the masses from the problem.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

Glad we're calling CRT authoritarianism now.

 

[Ana the Ist]

no.

Yes!

Stop spreading misinformation. Virginia schools literally call CRT best practices and use their terms and ideas.

You've been exposed.

 

[RDKirk]

Whites only move to eliminate racism when it benefits them?

And you think that's true?

You genuinely believe that the whites who supported and passed the Civil Rights Act were doing it out of selfish reasons?

You want to call it purely a matter of altruism?

"Is there really such a thing as altruism?" That's been a debate topic in these forums before.

It could be argued even whether Christian charity is a matter of genuine "love for our fellow man" or merely command-following or pain-avoidance.

A hedonist would be fair and humane out of a sophisticated level of pain avoidance.

Many abolitionists were definitely acting to save white souls from damnation, not out of an altruistic love of black people.

It is argued that the images of black people in the south being set upon by dogs and water cannon struck too close to people who were still aghast at the horrors of the Jewish Holocaust and didn't want to be written in history in the same light. Is that altruism or self-consideration?

And does it matter? Both parties should walk away from any good transaction feeling that they've gained something valuable.

It is better that white people feel that eliminating racism benefits them, because otherwise they'd be resentful. For those who are resentful...what do you feel you're lost in the transaction?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Glad we're calling CRT authoritarianism now.

Glad you're claiming there's no problem with CRT.

 

[bekkilyn]

Why would you think you are justified or capable of defining the important part of children's identities?

Because "woke" teachers want to make sure as many students as possible are indoctrinated into those "identities" as early as possible. And to what purpose? So that children who are identified with certain qualities can be labeled as evil oppressors, inherently racist, "too white" and others can be labeled as the oppressed, inferior, helpless, victim. Some are even being taught to hate their country, replacing American flags with rainbow flags, and even basic biological reality is denied at the altar of identity. And once these identities are inflicted on children, even if false, they carry them for years because an adult with power encouraged them.

Of course, the usual people will deny everything, but one only needs to go to places like Tik Tok, Instagram, YouTube, etc. to see videos that teachers are posting about what they teach in their classrooms. Of course in their minds, it's wonderful, but to the rest of us, including many parents once they find out, it's horrifying.