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CRT and Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

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I don't know.
so potentially CRT is correct and the cause is systemic and institutionalized racism

I am wondering if you're purposely being difficult with me. Given that I was born with a language/grammar problem perhaps I am not being clear with my words? I am simply saying that I do not want narrow viewpoints being taught in the classroom and if CRT is indeed promoting narrow viewpoints that I do not want it being taught in the classroom.
how do you know what its viewpoints are?

Given that I have been repeatedly upfront about being ignorant about CRT I would think it would be easy to deduce this.
which is why i keep asking if you are "ignorant about CRT" how do you know your views on it are correct?

Alright.


I am not blaming disparities on genetic differences. I am simply stating that a serious study of racial issues needs to encompass all possible avenues. No matter how politically incorrect. If it doesn't, it's probably garbage.
and we have decades of those studies to call upon How many do you think found that the racial discrepancies were the result of systemic and institutionalized racism? ((While not all studies looked at racism those that did pretty much found it to be a if not the sole cause of racial discrepancies))
 
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Claiming they are Christians does not make them Christians.

I'm willing to say they were not. But most American Christians are not willing to say the were not.

So to the extent that American Christians want to continue to claim those folk as Christians (such as, for instance, all the Southern Baptist Convention), then they must accept that those Christians knowingly committed great sin. But they're not willing to accept that, either.
 
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According to...?


Again: according to...?

CRT scholars. CRT has multiple offshoots. Critical Gender Studies, Critical Latinx Studies, Critical Indigenous Studies, Critical Feminist Studies, Critical Queer Studies,...

Critical Whiteness Studies is where most of your brand new beliefs about racism come from and basically none of it is supported by any evidence.


80% of teachers burn out within 5 years. Whether she's one of them or has a legitimate gripe, who can say?

It's a rather common gripe. She doesn't want to stop teaching, she just doesn't want to indoctrinate children.
 
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That is already in the story. There are just some gaps to fill in....

I never learned anything about black slave owners or native American slave owners. I wasn't taught about the Native Americans siding with the Confederacy in the Civil War.

Most importantly though, the trans-Atlantic slave trade was focused more on the inhumane transport of slaves than how they were actually acquired. I was left believing a "Roots" narrative of evil white men running around a jungle and lassoing the black tribesmen.

I felt foolish for believing that.

Regardless, I have no problem with correctly teaching history....but no nonsense about "white supremacy" in the CRT sense or "whiteness" or "white privilege".

These are all opinions....and political ones at that.
 
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That is pretty much what's happening. CRT is, basically, a process of analysis but it is not in itself a set of conclusions.

Then why does it always reach the same conclusion?

What is it's epistemological method? How does it find truth?

CRT is like a sextant...it's a tool to help one get to a destination.

The same destination, no matter what the issue is.

It's like how christianity always points to the fallen nature of man. It's never anything else.

But like a sextant, it's not going to get everyone to the same destination. Some people want to present a set of conclusions and call their conclusions "CRT" but that's like a sailor reaching a shore and declaring that shore is the only place a sextant can get someone to.

That's the only way to do CRT correctly.

As we look into causal factors that have created the current situation of blacks in America and relations between blacks and whites, looking into racism and how racism has been embedded in different fabrics of American society is worthwhile...that's like a pest exterminator pulling back baseboards to find every evidence of vermin infestation.

What if I could present you with evidence that racial attitudes in the US are increasingly tolerant and accepting over time?


But this is where purposes and goals need to be examined. Ultimately, the goal must be reconciliation, because neither black Americans nor white Americans are going anywhere. The ultimate purpose of pulling away the baseboards to clean out all traces of the vermin is not to destroy the house, but to repair it. I think that has become a great failure of understanding in America today, and as a Christian I believe there is an evil spirit at work.

As Dave Chapelle has said, we've got the best white people now that we've ever had. This isn't the time to give up hope.

Reconciling what exactly?
 
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A few years ago I learned that some of my ancestors on my mother's side owned slaves. If I were to hear this news several years ago it would have legitimately been a heavy emotional blow due to the white guilt I had. Thankfully SJWs/BLM folk managed to snap me out of it. Seeing how mean spirited and manipulative many of them are just made me jaded about the whole white guilt thing.

While irrational, it is a very common part of human psychology. To feel guilt for what one's ancestors have done. Especially from immediate family like a father or a mother. Many prominent children from Nazi officials have deep psychological problems over it. Any adult who cheers or engages in trying to develop undeserved guilt in children is a monster.

I think the pushing guilt on little white kids is bad enough....but when you tell them "and it's up to you to fix x problem"...you're engaging in abuse.
 
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It because a wider problem because they claim "I'm teaching CRT" which they are not...but gives people who don't know any better the idea that they are.

There's state education boards claiming to embrace CRT.

We're past the point where it's being taught. It's 100% being taught.
 
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No, those are not the "principles" of CRT. Those are, perhaps, the results some people believe they have found by applying CRT to certain situations. However, they could just be wrong, like applying principles of logic to incorrect premises.

Essentially....you're saying that they aren't teaching CRT, they're doing it.
 
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If it was ever "CRT" in the first place. Remember, CRT is not a single ideology or philosophy, but a broad term that covers a wide spectrum of sociological thinking covering about 5 decades of deep academic work.

Academic work that can easily be faked, checked by peer reviewers, and published....

Then given an award.

It would be ridiculously easy for someone to take some asinine lesson plan that never should've made it to a classroom, call it "CRT," and get the fearful and credulous to believe it.

It's possible....it's also possible it's CRT.

There's a way to figure out which is true.

The truth is, CRT is not being taught to your children, never was, and was never going to be -- the only reason you or I have even heard of it is because someone needed to start a moral panic -- providing a fake enemy to rescue you from.

What would you accept as evidence it's being taught?
 
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No, those are not the "principles" of CRT. Those are, perhaps, the results some people believe they have found by applying CRT to certain situations. However, they could just be wrong, like applying principles of logic to incorrect premises.

This is how CRT is being taught today.

From the article.

The teacher asked all students to create an “identity map,” listing their race, class, gender, religion, family structure, and other characteristics. The teacher explained that the students live in a “dominant culture” of “white, middle class, cisgender, educated, able-bodied, Christian, English speaker,” who, according to the lesson, “created and maintained” this culture in order “to hold power and stay in power.”

CRT principles involving white privilege and power.

Kimberle Crenshaw, the CRT scholar who first came up with the CRT term “intersectionality,” put the need to abandon the Parisian post-modernism best when she wrote:

While the descriptive project of postmodernism of questioning the ways in which meaning is socially constructed is generally sound, this critique sometimes misreads the meaning of social construction and distorts its political relevance…. But to say that a category such as race or gender is socially constructed is not to say that that category has no significance in our world. On the contrary, a large and continuing project for subordinated people—and indeed, one of the projects for which postmodern theories have been very helpful in thinking about—is the way power has clustered around certain categories and is exercised against others.Kimberle Crenshaw, “Mapping the Margins: Intersectionality, Identity Politics, and Violence Against Women of Color,” Stanford Law Review, Vol 43. No. 6 (July 1991), p. 1296, https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/SPR470/um/68138626/Crenshaw_1991.txt (accessed December 3, 2020).


According to Critical Race Theorist, the notion of white supremacy within Critical Race Theory offers an all pervading notion of how white racism infuses, directs, situates and positions white people at the expense of their constituent and constructed black Other. As Ansley’s comments,

By] ‘white supremacy’ I do not mean to allude only to the self-conscious racism of white supremacist hate groups. I refer instead to a political, economic, and cultural system in which whites overwhelmingly control power and material resources, conscious and unconscious ideas of white superiority and entitlement are widespread, and relations of white dominance and non-white subordination are daily re-enacted across a broad array of institutions and social settings’ (Ansley, 1997, P.592).

So yes those are principles contained within crt.


I don't know how to get rid of the strike outs!
 
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This is how CRT is being taught today.

From the article.

The teacher asked all students to create an “identity map,” listing their race, class, gender, religion, family structure, and other characteristics. The teacher explained that the students live in a “dominant culture” of “white, middle class, cisgender, educated, able-bodied, Christian, English speaker,” who, according to the lesson, “created and maintained” this culture in order “to hold power and stay in power.”

CRT principles involving white privilege and power.

Kimberle Crenshaw, the CRT scholar who first came up with the CRT term “intersectionality,” put the need to abandon the Parisian post-modernism best when she wrote:

While the descriptive project of postmodernism of questioning the ways in which meaning is socially constructed is generally sound, this critique sometimes misreads the meaning of social construction and distorts its political relevance…. But to say that a category such as race or gender is socially constructed is not to say that that category has no significance in our world. On the contrary, a large and continuing project for subordinated people—and indeed, one of the projects for which postmodern theories have been very helpful in thinking about—is the way power has clustered around certain categories and is exercised against others.Kimberle Crenshaw, “Mapping the Margins: Intersectionality, Identity Politics, and Violence Against Women of Color,” Stanford Law Review, Vol 43. No. 6 (July 1991), p. 1296, https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/SPR470/um/68138626/Crenshaw_1991.txt (accessed December 3, 2020).


According to Critical Race Theorist, the notion of white supremacy within Critical Race Theory offers an all pervading notion of how white racism infuses, directs, situates and positions white people at the expense of their constituent and constructed black Other. As Ansley’s comments,

By] ‘white supremacy’ I do not mean to allude only to the self-conscious racism of white supremacist hate groups. I refer instead to a political, economic, and cultural system in which whites overwhelmingly control power and material resources, conscious and unconscious ideas of white superiority and entitlement are widespread, and relations of white dominance and non-white subordination are daily re-enacted across a broad array of institutions and social settings’ (Ansley, 1997, P.592).

So yes those are principles contained within crt.


I don't know how to get rid of the strike outs!

Good for you on doing the work. This stuff is dense and pretty boring.

Yeah, white supremacy in the minds of these people....is a feature unique to white people....and is the cause of everything white people did after leaving Europe in the 1400s or so.

There's a distinction between a "traditional theory" and a "critical theory"....according to the Frankfurt school which originated critical theory.

A traditional theory seeks to understand something.

A critical theory seeks to criticize something in its relationship to "power". Understanding the thing isn't required at all.
 
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Someone would have to send a signed affidavit from a court along with the actual curriculum fully certified from the school. They MIGHT accept that as evidence.

Most of the people here asking for evidence have been given evidence already on other threads.

They aren't holding their beliefs because of evidence. I think it's more accurate to treat them like cultists.

Ask what evidence they would want....and they can't answer. It might force them to admit the cult exists.
 
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. The teacher asked all students to create an “identity map,” listing their race, class, gender, religion, family structure, and other characteristics. The teacher explained that the students live in a “dominant culture” of “white, middle class, cisgender, educated, able-bodied, Christian, English speaker,” who, according to the lesson, “created and maintained” this culture in order “to hold power and stay in power.”
as a teacher I did almost this very thing. Excellent and important lesson!

Are you suggesting kids shouldn't have a metacognitive understanding of their own identity and how that affects their views and their place in a culture?
 
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