CRT and Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

[LeafByNiggle]

I mean to say those primary and secondary teachers came back from those workshops and think that what they're teaching their own classes is "CRT."

What they're teaching their children is not CRT, although some seem to think and state that it is. CRT is a process that's tough for even graduates who have specialized in it to wrap their heads around.

Then that's a problem with those individual teachers only.

 

[RDKirk]

Then that's a problem with those individual teachers only.

It because a wider problem because they claim "I'm teaching CRT" which they are not...but gives people who don't know any better the idea that they are.

 

[bekkilyn]

Then that's a problem with those individual teachers only.

Well whatever has been coming out of those classrooms, whether it is actually "CRT" or not, has been very problematic and now that parents have had more visibility because of COVID as to what their kids are being taught, they're not very happy at all.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well whatever has been coming out of those classrooms, whether it is actually "CRT" or not, has been very problematic and now that parents have had more visibility because of COVID as to what their kids are being taught, they're not very happy at all.

Don't you see a problem with banning CRT without bothering to find out whether that "whatever" is actually CRT or not?

Seems kind of foolish to advocate for censorship without actually knowing what you're censoring.

"I don't actually know what 'CRT' is... But I know its Communism, and I don't like it!" ~actual quote from a voter in Virginia.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

It because a wider problem because they claim "I'm teaching CRT" which they are not...but gives people who don't know any better the idea that they are.

That depends on how many teachers and claiming "I'm teaching CRT." Unless it is a large number, it is still an individual teacher problem, not a wider problem.

Well whatever has been coming out of those classrooms, whether it is actually "CRT" or not, has been very problematic and now that parents have had more visibility because of COVID as to what their kids are being taught, they're not very happy at all.

Can you be specific about exactly what has been coming out of those classrooms that is so problematic? The fact that some parents are upset is not in itself evidence that there is something problematic in the classrooms. As others have already noted here, much of that outrage is not because parents saw something that was problematic. Rather it was because they were led to be outraged by a political campaign meant to capitalize on the outrage they created. If there is evidence that there is a wider problem of what is coming out of classrooms, exactly what is that evidence. Remember, a couple of anecdotes do not make a wider problem. They are individual problems that should be dealt with those few teachers individually.

 

[RDKirk]

That depends on how many teachers and claiming "I'm teaching CRT." Unless it is a large number, it is still an individual teacher problem, not a wider problem.

You've heard about the Internet, right?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

You've heard about the Internet, right?

Well, if it's somewhere on the Internet it must be true, right? They don't let just anybody post on the Internet! If you have evidence that many teachers are claiming they are teaching CRT, simply link to that evidence and we will see.

 

[RDKirk]

From last year, before this became an issue:

I don't think they do or even can teach actual CRT in public school classrooms, but apparent teachers--and their union--do.

 

[bekkilyn]

That depends on how many teachers and claiming "I'm teaching CRT." Unless it is a large number, it is still an individual teacher problem, not a wider problem.

All of those individual teachers add up, and individual teachers aren't necessarily teaching this sort of thing on their own but rather under school administration guidelines.

Can you be specific about exactly what has been coming out of those classrooms that is so problematic? The fact that some parents are upset is not in itself evidence that there is something problematic in the classrooms. As others have already noted here, much of that outrage is not because parents saw something that was problematic. Rather it was because they were led to be outraged by a political campaign meant to capitalize on the outrage they created. If there is evidence that there is a wider problem of what is coming out of classrooms, exactly what is that evidence. Remember, a couple of anecdotes do not make a wider problem. They are individual problems that should be dealt with those few teachers individually.

You can very easily find examples all over the internet just like the rest of us. In fact, you don't even need to be a parent to see the problems because you can actually talk to local teachers who are either teaching it or are unhappy/concerned about what is going on themselves because school curriculum isn't necessarily decided by individual teachers. Much of this issue has been building for a few years now and people and parents are finally getting to the point of saying enough is enough.

Some here in this thread will note that it is all about nothing because they do not want to acknowledge the issues because they might damage whatever political bubbles they may be living in.

 

[bekkilyn]

Oh those videos remind me, I'm still on the mailing list for NAE because I was a member of the local chapter for a couple of years while working on a Masters in Teaching and so I see some of this stuff through them too even if it isn't always called "CRT" specifically. I'll have to pay more attention to those emails.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

All of those individual teachers add up, and individual teachers aren't necessarily teaching this sort of thing on their own but rather under school administration guidelines.

Again, where is the evidence that this is so? Claiming that a lot of teachers are teaching CRT or something else bad is not evidence. It would be especially easy to establish your point if there really was administration guidelines that one could point to.

You can very easily find examples all over the internet just like the rest of us.

If it is so easy, why has no one here done it?

In fact, you don't even need to be a parent to see the problems because you can actually talk to local teachers who are either teaching it or are unhappy/concerned about what is going on themselves because school curriculum isn't necessarily decided by individual teachers.

That is still anecdotes. They do not comprise a wider problem unless a much more extensive survey is done.

Much of this issue has been building for a few years now and people and parents are finally getting to the point of saying enough is enough.

As I said before, politically manufactured outrage is not evidence that there is a wider problem.

Some here in this thread will note that it is all about nothing because they do not want to acknowledge the issues because they might damage whatever political bubbles they may be living in.

It appears that people that could burst that bubble with some solid evidence have not bothered to do so.

 

[rjs330]

I think what needs to happen is that a full rich history that clearly shows how terrible white people have been to minority groups. Don't hold any punches; tell the whole story.

Just telling the full story would likely do a lot to invoke the feeling that "things should be different".

But it also seems that folks also don't want the terrible side of their history to be taught in a meaningful way.

Would that also include how terrible the black people were to each other and how the Indians had slaves and the terrible things they did to each other? Would it include all the good things white people have dine to help minorities? What about how badly minorities have treated white people?

Or does your history only have the "white people are bad" agenda?

 

[bekkilyn]

Again, where is the evidence that this is so? Claiming that a lot of teachers are teaching CRT or something else bad is not evidence. It would be especially easy to establish your point if there really was administration guidelines that one could point to.


If it is so easy, why has no one here done it?


That is still anecdotes. They do not comprise a wider problem unless a much more extensive survey is done.


As I said before, politically manufactured outrage is not evidence that there is a wider problem.


It appears that people that could burst that bubble with some solid evidence have not bothered to do so.

I doubt it considering the extraordinary lengths of denial.

 

[rambot]

Would that also include how terrible the black people were to each other and how the Indians had slaves and the terrible things they did to each other? Would it include all the good things white people have dine to help minorities? What about how badly minorities have treated white people?

Or does your history only have the "white people are bad" agenda?

200years of whites are blameless philanthropists and honoured all races with dignity at all costs is going to be hard to taint with the truth.


I understand your need to remember your history classes.

 

[rjs330]

Just how many black persons must die at the hands of the police for it to not be an "extremely rare event" Give us a number


I doubt that. More likely you would just deny everything because it doesn't fit with your anti CRT claims.

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In what world is less than 1% not considered rare. Gives a percentage where it is no longer considered rare.

 

[rjs330]

I'm asking what you will accept as evidence?

Someone would have to send a signed affidavit from a court along with the actual curriculum fully certified from the school. They MIGHT accept that as evidence.

 

[rjs330]

It because a wider problem because they claim "I'm teaching CRT" which they are not...but gives people who don't know any better the idea that they are.

The problem is CRT is at the root of what is being taught. No the schools do not have a class entitled CRT. But the principles of CRT are being Incorporated in other studies. And that cannot be denied.

Identity Politics in Cupertino, California Elementary School

 

[rambot]

In what world is less than 1% not considered rare. Gives a percentage where it is no longer considered rare.

Spoken to an antivaxxer?
Apparently .0008% wasn't rare

 

[RDKirk]

The problem is CRT is at the root of what is being taught. No the schools do not have a class entitled CRT. But the principles of CRT are being Incorporated in other studies. And that cannot be denied.

Identity Politics in Cupertino, California Elementary School

No, those are not the "principles" of CRT. Those are, perhaps, the results some people believe they have found by applying CRT to certain situations. However, they could just be wrong, like applying principles of logic to incorrect premises.

 

[coffee4u]

But most of the slaveowners in the Americas professed to be Christians.

Claiming they are Christians does not make them Christians. Same way Rachel Dolezal claiming to be black did not make her black.

People back then were 'born into the Church of England' or 'born into Catholicism' They didn't have to understand what that meant, be born again and be followers of Jesus, they just had to have parents who had water sprinkled on their heads as infants and were proclaimed as such.

These people were not Christians but unfortunately the world views them as such.