Creationists: What have you studied re: evolution? What resources have you specifically used?

[pitabread]

The Bible shows evolution to be a lie

No it doesn't.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I can say the same about evolution, The Bible shows evolution to be a lie along with other scientific lies.

So you have your science you place your faith in and i place my faith in God and the scriptures.

I am juts glad there will be an ending to an the answering to this difference in the up and coming future. So like i said i will (along with many others) not be bothered by this lie forever.

No, that is merely your personal interpretation of the Bible. Evolution is testable and confirmable. What reasonable test do you have that could possibly refute your beliefs? One needs a test for proper evidence. By the way the test needs to be done on the merits of your claims, not on the perceived deficiencies of your opponents beleifs.

 

[keith99]

To the OP:

You're an Athiest. What have you specifically studied? Have you taken any courses in biblical studies (e.g. high school, college, online)? Have you read any books on systematic theology? Which ones? Do you use online publications? Have you read any theological journals?

Why would you? So you could impress some random stranger on the internet with how well read you are on a subject that you don't believe and have no interest in?

Your question was pompous and self-serving.

You forget that teh vast majority of athiests in America were brought up as Christians.

From the Protestant side why should I take such courses when Scripture cantains all I need. And on that I've read the Bible cover to cover at least twice.

From the Catholic side I have and reference two different Catechisms. An interesting side note I ahve been told repeatedly that a Baptism performed by an unbeliever is not valid even though the teaching of the Catholic Church is the opposite and both clear and unforgiving on that point.

Still I have a 6 volume set of the sermons of Martin Luther and The Institutes by Calvin.

I occasionally still use my copy of Strongs. The translation of the meaning of the name Elija is a hoot.

I wonder how many creationists who choose to debate evolution have ever botherd to read The Origin of Species. Any who had would never bring up the common creationist argument regarding the eye as Darwin addressed that quite well. Or the claim that the theory is about how like came to exist as Darwin is quite clear that his theory is not about that at all.

 

[keith99]

ToE doesn't deal with the origin of life so I don't see the two beliefs incompatible.

Words often come to mean more than they would just from the root origin. Creationist has come not jsut mean that someone of something created out unniverse.

Come to think of it this may echo how things work with catholic. Capital C Creationist typically believing that the Genesis account is literal (and often that one muct believe that to be saved). Small c creationist just means one believes our universe was created.

 

[d taylor]

No, that is merely your personal interpretation of the Bible. Evolution is testable and confirmable. What reasonable test do you have that could possibly refute your beliefs? One needs a test for proper evidence. By the way the test needs to be done on the merits of your claims, not on the perceived deficiencies of your opponents beleifs.

How much of this testable stuff have you personally tested and proved to be true. And what are you testing this against to prove its truthfulness.

Of a satanic deception would not be effective if it did not appear to be true.

 

[pitabread]

Of a satanic deception would not be effective if it did not appear to be true.

You know that playing the "satan card" doesn't mean much, right? One can just as easily claim that creationism is a deceptive satanic plot.

 

[d taylor]

You know that playing the "satan card" doesn't mean much, right? One can just as easily claim that creationism is a deceptive satanic plot.

It does to me. As with creation, my concern is not whether you believe it or not.

 

[pitabread]

It does to me.

Let's test that: if creationism was actually a deceptive, satanic plot, would that be of interest to you?

As with creation, my concern is not whether you believe it or not.

So why are you here?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How much of this testable stuff have you personally tested and proved to be true. And what are you testing this against to prove its truthfulness.

Of a satanic deception would not be effective if it did not appear to be true.

Why would I need to test it? I can read the papers, anyone can test those ideas and many can. Paranoia does not make for a proper argument. It appears all that you have are unfounded fears.

 

[d taylor]

A source outside of the Bible that supports that evolution is a lie. Is that evolution is supported and taught by government schools. Governments rule by lies and deception so that is evidence of evolution's being a false idea.

 

[pitabread]

A source outside of the Bible that supports that evolution is a lie. Is that evolution is supported and taught by government schools. Governments rule by lies and deception so that is evidence of evolution's being a false idea.

That's the silliest argument I've ever read. Are you just posting satire? Are we being Poe'd?

 

[d taylor]

Let's test that: if creationism was actually a deceptive, satanic plot, would that be of interest to you?



So why are you here?

To take part in a debated topic, as a supporter of creation Biblical positions.

I can support a belief, without having worry about whether people opposed to this belief end up believing it.

 

[sjastro]

I can say the same about evolution, The Bible shows evolution to be a lie along with other scientific lies.

What does the Bible have to say about CPT symmetry?
If it's a lie point out the appropriate chapter and verses; if not show how the Bible supports it.

 

[pitabread]

To take part in a debated topic, as a supporter of creation Biblical positions.

I can support a belief, without having worry about whether people opposed to this belief end up believing it.

Do you feel you are sufficiently supporting your beliefs here?

 

[d taylor]

As Paul states.

Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.

A believe is task with just giving a witness if the witness does not bear fruit. That should be of no worry to them they are called just to be a witness. They have no power to make people believe the truth.

 

[Speedwell]

As Paul states.

Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.

A believe is task with just giving a witness if the witness does not bear fruit. That should be of no worry to them they are called just to be a witness. They have no power to make people believe the truth.

You would be a better witness if you weren't telling lies about what the people you are witnessing to believe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A source outside of the Bible that supports that evolution is a lie. Is that evolution is supported and taught by government schools. Governments rule by lies and deception so that is evidence of evolution's being a false idea.

The Bible is not a reliable source in this discussion. The Bible is the claim. By your standards all religions are true and all religions are false.

 

[pitabread]

A believe is task with just giving a witness if the witness does not bear fruit. That should be of no worry to them they are called just to be a witness. They have no power to make people believe the truth.

Which again begs the question as to why are you here? You're certainly not giving anyone the impression you're bringing the truth.

All you seem to be contributing is that you think evolution is a lie (even though you admit to never having studied it). So what?

 

[Subduction Zone]

To take part in a debated topic, as a supporter of creation Biblical positions.

I can support a belief, without having worry about whether people opposed to this belief end up believing it.

Oh good. I was getting worried there for a second. In case you forget the Bible is the claim. Claims are not evidence.

 

[Strathos]

A source outside of the Bible that supports that evolution is a lie. Is that evolution is supported and taught by government schools. Governments rule by lies and deception so that is evidence of evolution's being a false idea.

The government also says that you shouldn't drink bleach or touch exposed power lines. Does that mean that you should?