Creationists: What have you studied re: evolution? What resources have you specifically used?

[pitabread]

Dear pitabread, I hope this leads your thread back on track.

Given how threads on this site go, I think the OP is a lost cause by now.

Though it is fascinating that creationists on the one hand claim they research topics like evolution, yet are unable to list any resources for such when directly asked.

 

[klutedavid]

I never said I was an expert. Just someone who can look up readily available information on the earliest fossilized lifeforms.

I found it odd when you claimed there was no fossils of such.



You'll likely never find *the* first lifeform. But there are fossil indicators of lifeforms going back ~3.5 billion years or so. This wikipedia page has a handful of examples: Earliest known life forms - Wikipedia

At any rate, I'm not really sure the point of this discussion other than to correct your original claim that there are no fossils of early life on Earth.

Now that we're done that, perhaps we can go back to the original topic of the thread.

Now we are unlikely to find the first lifeform, you say. Of course, we have no way of knowing what the first lifeform was. Regardless of any available evidence.

As I said previously, there are questions that science cannot answer.

Now we can return to the original OP.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We were discussing the earliest lifeforms not recent lifeforms. Someone is not reading the previous posts.

The famous White Cliffs of Dover, an exposure of Middle and Upper Chalk dating from the Late Cretaceous epoch, 89-85 million years ago. (discoveringfossils.co.uk)

The dinosaurs are older than the Cretaceous epoch.

Try again.

That is why I asked you "How ancient?" The failure was not mine. You never did answer the question.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Given how threads on this site go, I think the OP is a lost cause by now.

Though it is fascinating that creationists on the one hand claim they research topics like evolution, yet are unable to list any resources for such when directly asked.

Sadly the very few first creationist posts showed that it was a failure. Creationists very rarely want to understand. They only look for excuses to believe.

 

[klutedavid]

That is why I asked you "How ancient?" The failure was not mine. You never did answer the question.

The failure is not yours or mine. How long is a piece of string?

We have no idea how far back in time we would need to go, to find the first lifeform. The first lifeform may not have been from this planet. Why bother speculating about questions that have no real answer.

Ultimately, we are left with a belief system in the end.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The failure is not yours or mine. How long is a piece of string?

We have no idea how far back in time we would need to go, to find the first lifeform. The first lifeform may not have been from this planet. Why bother speculating about questions that have no real answer.

Ultimately, we are left with a belief system in the end.

So you still could not answer the question. Yes, life is the product of evolution. It probably also was the result of abiogenesis. That is a problem that may or may not be answered. Speculation is not worth much but science is based upon much more than that. For the Christians out there evolution does not refute Christianity. You may merely have to alter your beliefs a bit.

 

[d taylor]

What a great day the return of The Messiah will be, never again will people be bothered with this evolution lie.

 

[pitabread]

What a great day the return of The Messiah will be, never again will people be bothered with this evolution lie.

So what resources have you used to learn about evolution?

 

[d taylor]

So what resources have you used to learn about evolution?

Why should i have a need to learn about evolution, it is not a threat to any of my beliefs. It is just a nuisance because seems like many (in the christian world) believe it to be true. I am not concerned with the pagan/secular world they have no belief in God so they seek answers else where.

Why would a creation believer try and use science to disprove science. To disprove science a source out side of science is needed and that source for me is the Bible it easily disproves evolution. So i need to look no further.

 

[pitabread]

Why should i have a need to learn about evolution, it is not a threat to any of my beliefs.

Because you're posting in the Creation & Evolution subforum.

Why would a creation believer try and use science to disprove science. To disprove science a source out side of science is needed and that source for me is the Bible it easily disproves evolution. So i need to look no further.

That you claim the Bible "disproves" evolution is precisely the problem. You don't know what it is you're claiming to disprove.

 

[d taylor]

Because you're posting in the Creation & Evolution subforum.



That you claim the Bible "disproves" evolution is precisely the problem. You don't know what it is you're claiming to disprove.

Do you use the Bible to disprove God.

 

[pitabread]

Do you use the Bible to disprove God.

I don't try to disprove God at all.

 

[d taylor]

I don't try to disprove God at all.

Is not the promotion of evolution a round about way of disproving God.

What is your opinion of christians who say they believe in God but also believe in evolution. Do you see these as hypocritical, in a way trying to make science and the Bible out as both stating Gods creation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is not the promotion of evolution a round about way of disproving God.

What is your opinion of christians who say they believe in God but also believe in evolution. Do you see these as hypocritical, in a way trying to make science and the Bible out as both stating Gods creation.

No. There are countless, in fact probably the majority of Christian worldwide that accept the fact of evolution. The fact that life is the product of evolution does not disprove Christianity. It only demonstrates that certain sects of Christianity have an incorrect interpretation of the Bible. Have you checked out the website Biologos? It is a Christian science based website. You might want to check it out.

 

[pitabread]

Is not the promotion of evolution a round about way of disproving God.

No, it's not. Whether evolution occurs has no bearing on the existence of God.

What is your opinion of christians who say they believe in God but also believe in evolution. Do you see these as hypocritical, in a way trying to make science and the Bible out as both stating Gods creation.

I don't think it's hypocritical at all.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

you are your person, your body you just use it and its the carcass.

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

A fossil of a single cell in an ancient fossil record, now that would be something to see. Empiricism is bounded at the upper and lower levels by the available evidence.

You don't necessarily need the imprint of individual single-cell organisms, you can use evidence of the chemistry of early life, and the accumulated remains of their activity - such as stromatolites and similar formations.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Do you use the Bible to disprove God.

God is not a falsifiable concept - it can't be proved or disproved. What we can say is that scientific explanations don't invoke God.

 

[Speedwell]

Is not the promotion of evolution a round about way of disproving God.

No, that is just a fib creationists like to tell about evolution--and one of the reasons they are not to be trusted.

What is your opinion of christians who say they believe in God but also believe in evolution. Do you see these as hypocritical, in a way trying to make science and the Bible out as both stating Gods creation.

Both state God's authorship of our being. Where does the hypocrisy come into it? It's only a problem for the minority of Christians who take Genesis to be literal history.

 

[driewerf]

Is not the promotion of evolution a round about way of disproving God.

No.
It's just yesterday that I wrote

I have yet to see the first atheist to make such a claim. On the contrary, most atheists posting on discussion board insist that acceptance of the ToE and god/christianity are NOT mutually exclusive (and cite people like Francis Collins, Kenneth Miller, different popes etc as example).
What a lot of (Youtube)-atheists attest of is the discovery how much their priest/minister lied to them and swinged completely to the other extreme. They were pushed away because of the lying of their priest.

What is your opinion of christians who say they believe in God but also believe in evolution.

That they have the scientific literacy that is normal in the 21st century.

Do you see these as hypocritical, in a way trying to make science and the Bible out as both stating Gods creation.

No.