Creationists: What have you studied re: evolution? What resources have you specifically used?

Rachel20 · Dec 26, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Sadly the very few first creationist posts showed that it was a failure. Creationists very rarely want to understand. They only look for excuses to believe.

I suppose since I was one of the very first posters I can safely assume this was addressed partly at me? Did you see my post #43? What if my aptitude leans more toward math than biology? Does that necessarily mean I don't want to understand or I'm only looking for excuses to believe? I attempted to merge my interest but received no answers. But that's ok. I won't draw the same erroneous conclusion about you, because maybe you're more comfortable with biology than with math.

Subduction Zone · Dec 26, 2020

Rachel20 said:
I suppose since I was one of the very first posters I can safely assume this was addressed partly at me? Did you see my post #43? What if my aptitude leans more toward math than biology? Does that necessarily mean I don't want to understand or I'm only looking for excuses to believe? I attempted to merge my interest but received no answers. But that's ok. I won't draw the same erroneous conclusion about you, because maybe you're more comfortable with biology than with math.

Since you made the false claim that those supporting reality only state the obvious, that creationists are ignorant, then yes it included you. Ways to learn are almost always supplied. But creationists as a rule are only interested in excuses to believe. Very rarely they will try to learn. When that happens they almost always charge their minds. There is a saying that I have never seen an exception to: "There is no such thing as an honest and informed creationist." That does not mean that all creationists are dishonest. Or that they are all ignorant. One could be one or the other or both. Most creationists are simply uneducated and afraid to learn. Resources are offered but there is little hope that they will use them.

By the way, what supposed erroneous conclusions did I make about you? That sounds like a false claim on your part.

Speedwell · Dec 26, 2020

Rachel20 said:
I suppose since I was one of the very first posters I can safely assume this was addressed partly at me? Did you see my post #43? What if my aptitude leans more toward math than biology? Does that necessarily mean I don't want to understand or I'm only looking for excuses to believe? I attempted to merge my interest but received no answers. But that's ok. I won't draw the same erroneous conclusion about you, because maybe you're more comfortable with biology than with math.

Just from memory, your posts have not suggested that you are creationist anyway.

d taylor · Dec 26, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
No. There are countless, in fact probably the majority of Christian worldwide that accept the fact of evolution. The fact that life is the product of evolution does not disprove Christianity. It only demonstrates that certain sects of Christianity have an incorrect interpretation of the Bible. Have you checked out the website Biologos? It is a Christian science based website. You might want to check it out.

Interesting an atheist knows, what incorrect interpretations of the Bible are. And the interesting part about that is, it is not due to the Bible but because of evolution.

Rachel20 · Dec 26, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Since you made the false claim that those supporting reality only state the obvious, that creationists are ignorant

What?? I said I don't find responses like "you're just ignorant" to be very helpful. Do you find them helpful?

Rachel20 · Dec 26, 2020

Speedwell said:
Just from memory, your posts have not suggested that you are creationist anyway.

I may not have made it clear (here or in other threads) but I am a creationist. I'm just undecided on the ToE, but don't take issue with it one way or the other (yet)

Speedwell · Dec 26, 2020

d taylor said:
Interesting an atheist knows, what incorrect interpretations of the Bible are. And the interesting part about that is, it is not due to the Bible but because of evolution.

Of all the reasons for not taking Genesis literally, evolution is not at the top of the list. If you object to the comments of an atheist, as a Christian I will tell you that I regard a literal interpretation of Genesis as shallow and theologically adequate and would not have it even if there were no theory of evolution.

Subduction Zone · Dec 26, 2020

d taylor said:
Interesting an atheist knows, what incorrect interpretations of the Bible are. And the interesting part about that is, it is not due to the Bible but because of evolution.

Why not? Atheists in general understand the Bible better than most Christians. It is quite often what led them to atheism. And all that evolution tells us is that a literal interpretation of Genesis is incorrect. In the same way all of the evidence that the Earth is roughly spherical tells us that the interpretation of the Bible by Flat Earth Christians is incorrect. The only difference between Flat Earthers and creationists is a matter of degree.

pitabread · Dec 26, 2020

d taylor said:
Interesting an atheist knows, what incorrect interpretations of the Bible are. And the interesting part about that is, it is not due to the Bible but because of evolution.

Regardless of whether its a correct interpretation or not, a literalist reading of the Bible is fraught with a number of problems. Not the least of which it suggests a deceptive universe.

Speedwell · Dec 26, 2020

Rachel20 said:
I may not have made it clear (here or in other threads) but I am a creationist. I'm just undecided on the ToE, but don't take issue with it one way or the other (yet)

If you don't regard the ToE as a lie of Satan concocted to deny the existence of God, then by the customary standards of this forum you are probably not a creationist.

Subduction Zone · Dec 26, 2020

Rachel20 said:
What?? I said I don't find responses like "you're just ignorant" to be very helpful. Do you find them helpful?

This is not proper. You are quote mining and that is usually an attempt to deceive based on quoting out of context. The observation that someone is ignorant on its own is not helpful. The observation along with a solution is helpful. If a person arguing for evolution only claimed that his opponent was ignorant you would have a valid point, but I have not observed that.

Rachel20 · Dec 26, 2020

Speedwell said:
If you don't regard the ToE as a lie of Satan concocted to deny the existence of God, then by the customary standards of this forum you are probably not a creationist.

ToE doesn't deal with the origin of life so I don't see the two beliefs incompatible.

Subduction Zone · Dec 26, 2020

Rachel20 said:
ToE doesn't deal with the origin of life so I don't see the two beliefs incompatible.

Correct, it only points to a common ancestor for all life. That still runs quite contrary to a literal interpretation of Genesis.

Rachel20 · Dec 26, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Correct, it only points to a common ancestor for all life. That still runs quite contrary to a literal interpretation of Genesis.

How so? Both hold man as originally coming from "the dust of the earth". And Genesis 2:7 says nothing about the time between that event and man becoming a "living soul".

Subduction Zone · Dec 26, 2020

Rachel20 said:
How so? Both hold man as originally coming from "the dust of the earth". And Genesis 2:7 says nothing about the time between that event and man becoming a "living soul".

That is far from a literal interpretation. That is only cherry picking.

Rachel20 · Dec 26, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
That is far from a literal interpretation. That is only cherry picking.

I didn't realize that was cherry-picking. But according to you it is, which only makes me think you'll be looking for every opportunity to nit-pick rather than understanding my POV. Some things are real convo killers.

Subduction Zone · Dec 26, 2020

Rachel20 said:
I didn't realize that was cherry-picking. But according to you it is, which only makes me think you'll be looking for every opportunity to nit-pick rather than understanding my POV. Some things are real convo killers.

Perhaps you should define what you mean by "creationist". It appears that you have a different interpretation than most since you referred to the fact that abiogenesis is not a done deal yet. In case you have not followed the science quite a few of the problems of abiogenesis have been answered, but not enough to lift it up to the level of being a theory yet. You do not appear to oppose evolution, which in the book of many Christians here would mean that you are not a "creationist". When the concept of creationism is being discusses it is usually limited to those that deny the concept of a common ancestor.

d taylor · Dec 26, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Why not? Atheists in general understand the Bible better than most Christians. It is quite often what led them to atheism. And all that evolution tells us is that a literal interpretation of Genesis is incorrect. In the same way all of the evidence that the Earth is roughly spherical tells us that the interpretation of the Bible by Flat Earth Christians is incorrect. The only difference between Flat Earthers and creationists is a matter of degree.

I can say the same about evolution, The Bible shows evolution to be a lie along with other scientific lies.

So you have your science you place your faith in and i place my faith in God and the scriptures.

I am juts glad there will be an ending to an the answering to this difference in the up and coming future. So like i said i will (along with many others) not be bothered by this lie forever.

Tinker Grey · Dec 26, 2020

d taylor said:
The Bible shows evolution to be a lie along with other scientific lies.

The Bible doesn't "show" anything; it merely makes claims.

Speedwell · Dec 26, 2020

d taylor said:
I can say the same about evolution, The Bible shows evolution to be a lie along with other scientific lies.

The only lies which concern me here are the lies you tell about what other people believe.

Creationists: What have you studied re: evolution? What resources have you specifically used?

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