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Creationists: Explain your understanding of microevolution and macroevolution

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The bad publicity following the Hindenburg disaster.
Well if it was just a freak accident, why don't they fly them today?

Guns kill people by "freak accident," but you don't see guns banned.
 
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So what made them quit flying them with hydrogen, if it was just a freak accident?

1. Lighter-than-air craft work on buoyancy. Buoyancy is given by the difference between density of the fluid and the surrounding medium. In certain units* the density of air is about 29, helium is 4, and hydrogen is 2. So the helium has a buoyancy of 25 and hydrogen 27. Switching from hydrogen to helium only reduces the weight that is lifted (for the same volume) by less than 8%. (That weight includes the zeppelin itself and cargo.)

2. It is my understanding that the fabric on the outside and its coating were significant factors (or the cause) of the fire in the Hindenburg case. A fire could have started with either lifting gas, but mixing hydrogen into the air in the presence of a flame *enhances* the fire, where as mixing helium dilutes the oxygen supply and could decrease the effectiveness of the superstructure fire. (There is no guarantee of extinguishing the fire, but it certainly would hurt.)
 
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Well if it was just a freak accident, why don't they fly them today?
"IF".
And because the Hindenburg disaster made zeppelin travel very unpopular.
People were terrified of zeppelins after that.
And then airplanes became dominant.
And as people expected fast travel, they rejected passenger ships as being just too slow. And zeppelins are also very slow. So nobody wanted a transatlantic zeppelin run.
And now? The sheer cost of startup makes it just that much more implausible.

Guns kill people by "freak accident," but you don't see guns banned.
Ever been to Scotland?
Zeppelins were never actually banned. They were just never revived.
 
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And because the Hindenburg disaster made zeppelin travel very unpopular.
So it was popular to fly those things with hydrogen at one time, until someone got a reality check?
Mr Laurier said:
People were terrified of zeppelins after that.
But not before ... right?

Who convinced the general population that the Hindenburg was safe?
 
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So it was popular to fly those things with hydrogen at one time, until someone got a reality check? But not before ... right?
It was never considered to be the best option--according to "scientists" but the Germans couldn't get Helium, because it all comes from the US and we wouldn't sell them any. The decision to not sell them any was not made by "scientists."

Who convinced the general population that the Hindenburg was safe?
The marketing department of Deutsche Zeppelin Reederei, the company which operated the Zeppelins. (No, not "scientists.")

Like it or not, there is no possible way to blame the Hindenburg disaster on "scientists."
 
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So it was popular to fly those things with hydrogen at one time, until someone got a reality check?But not before ... right?
Wrong. And the exact opposite of right.
The Hindenburg was the first and only zeppelin to be flown with hydrogen. And the engineers were terrified. But the flight went ahead due to pressure from the politicians in Berlin.
The engineers installed every safety feature they could. It was not enough.


Who convinced the general population that the Hindenburg was safe?
Nobody.
The matter was never brought up. Passengers just assumed it would be safe. People tend to not look too deeply
 
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Clearest explanation ever....at least on an internet forum.
 
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The only meaning in a genetic code, is in the mind of some human observer who decided there must be one.
 
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Clearest explanation ever....at least on an internet forum.
The only thing that is clear is that neither of you understands evolution. Even if the theory of evolution turns out to be wrong, that explanation does not describe it.
 
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This argument is self-defeating.

A crumpled car can just as easliy be viewed as being 'superior', as it can be viewed as being 'inferior' .. it just depends on what that car represents (or means) in the context chosen by the observer.

The only statement I (partially) agree with there, is the above underlined one (except there are no 'assumptions' to be 'proven' in the theory of evolution).
The intelligent mind giving it meaning there, is the observer's mind .. which has been completely ignored throughout the entire dissertation .. thus it is self-defeating .. by virtue of a misperception (in observation).
 
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Seriously? Rotfl. No study of the past is hard science. There are always assumptions.
Only in your mind. Science is not a logical test of (human) assumed truths. It follows a completely different method and serves a completely different, but still human assigned purpose.
 
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The marketing department of Deutsche Zeppelin Reederei, the company which operated the Zeppelins. (No, not "scientists.")
Would you have gotten on it? or applauded someone close to you to do so? or maybe encouraged a family member to go?
 
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Or you don't understand what you think you understand.
I know what evolutionary biologists are claiming happens and you do not. Notice that the question of whether their claims are correct is a separate question. Your arguments make no sense because they do not address the real theory of evolution.

Suppose I said to you that Christianity is a stupid religion because it claims that Jesus was an Olympic figure skater and is going to take us all to Heaven on ice skates? I could make all of the arguments I wanted about the impossibility of getting to Heaven on ice skates but none of them would cause any trouble at all to the Christian religion. You could tell me that I didn't understand the Christian religion and that I should study the Bible to learn what the Christian religion actually claimed. What should I do? I could study the Bible. Or, I could just say, "You don't understand what you think you understand." How well do you think that would work?
 
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Only in your mind. Science is not a logical test of (human) assumed truths. It follows a completely different method and serves a completely different, but still human assigned purpose.
"Evolutionary biology, in contrast with physics and chemistry, is a historical science—the evolutionist attempts to explain events and processes that have already taken place. Laws and experiments are inappropriate techniques for the explication of such events and processes. Instead one constructs a historical narrative, consisting of a tentative reconstruction of the particular scenario that led to the events one is trying to explain.”

—Mayr, Ernst (1904–2005),
 
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You ought to read the whole essay, not just the mined quote from Creation.com
Darwin's Influence on Modern Thought
 
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