Creationists: Explain how life was created.

[pitabread]

In Genesis when God says He created the "heavens and the earth" you think He was talking about "earths heaven"?

I'm talking about the creation of life on Earth (as fully-formed organisms). If you don't have an explanation for how that happened, we can just move on.

 

[mmksparbud]

Spoken like a true scientifically illiterate creationist.



Evolution theory is a scientific theory that is supported by many independent lines of evidence and contradicted by nonen.

Ow, and also: when you can point us to this god of yours creating anything, or when you can reproduce such creation events---please be sure and let us know

And you speak a s a true illiterate, godless evolutionist who has no proof of anything he believes. You rest your believes on unknown people with no personal contact and you show no proof for anything they supposedly have indisputable prove of. All you guys ever say is---"you have no knowledge of science" but never produce any of that knowledge.
No one can reproduce what God has done--not even your so called science. It's been millions of years, supposedly--and you still can't reproduce a single thing He has done. We know we can't do what He does. You insist you can and will--- one day--but never have. I guess you need a few million more years.

 

[mmksparbud]

There has to be something else, because normal breath doesn't work like that. You need to start asking those questions.

You just said it and don't even see it--normal breath doesn't work like that!! His is not normal! He is the creator of all--His breath is life itself!

 

[mmksparbud]

Weird, why do creationists always feel badmouthing someone else's opinion validates their own?

Wake me up when you've got some positive evidence for miraculous creation events.

Strange--please state where I badmouthed anyone? And no one badmouths others as evolutionists and atheists badmouth creationists.
Wake me up when you have recreated your scientific creation events.

 

[juvenissun]

Note: Not looking for Bible quotes. I'm well aware what it says in Genesis.

What I want is an explanation beyond what is written in Genesis (or any other religious text) that specifically explains how it is possible to create life forms from scratch. Explain how a creator, supernatural or otherwise, would have created fully-formed life forms on Earth.

Describe the mechanisms, energies, forces, processes, etcs, that are involved in bringing fully-formed organisms into existence.

Do you want to use logic to explain miracle?
Such an illogic topic. Go and enjoy yourself.

 

[PlayingForTheLord]

The obvious answer is that God willed it.

The question is clearly not an innocent one; you're asking for a scientific explanation for something that has no scientific explanation. If no one provides an answer that satisfies your sensibilities, then you (supposedly) win.

It's a lot like the "Who created God?" question. Christians believe God is the Uncaused Cause, the Sovereign Lord and Creator of all, the Alpha and Omega. But because that's not a scientific answer, it's somehow wrong. These are not fair and unbiased attempts to hear and evaluate the opinions of others; they are clearly trap questions.

Here's the text from the OP from a different Christian Forums thread titled "The Paradox of a Perfect God":
"According to my understanding the Christian God is perfect – He/It has no needs or wants

At the same time Christians also believe that God created the World/Universe, along with life

If God had no needs or wants prior to Creation then, logically, God would have no reason to create anything

This line of reasoning seems to lead to the logical conclusion that either God is not perfect or He/It did not create the Universe.

What am I missing here?"

The premise - that the poster has determined for himself what is or isn't perfect - is fatally flawed for what I hope are obvious reasons. God is not "one of us." His reasons for creating, or for doing anything else, do not have to coincide with ours, and we do not have to fully understand them. Also, the premise that God has no "wants" is flawed - it's clear that God wants us to love Him, and love one another; not because He needs those things, but because He, out of love, wants what is best for us. There is no paradox.

It is perfectly fair for anyone to not accept what Christians accept on faith. But to constantly pepper Christians with certain types of questions, then immediately declare the answers invalid because those answers don't line up with your secular sensibilities, is grossly unfair, and is also a serious waste of time.

 

[pitabread]

You just said it and don't even see it--normal breath doesn't work like that!! His is not normal! He is the creator of all--His breath is life itself!

Then explain how it works.

 

[Speedwell]

The obvious answer is that God willed it.

But the same answer can be given for evolution, so it doesn't get us any farther forward.

 

[pitabread]

The question is clearly not an innocent one; you're asking for a scientific explanation for something that has no scientific explanation. If no one provides an answer that satisfies your sensibilities, then you (supposedly) win.

I'm not looking to "win". Rather, creationists are trying to argue for replacing an explanation we already have (biological evolution) with the idea that life forms were created independently. Therefore, we need an explanation for how that can happen. Otherwise biological evolution will never be replaced. You can't replace a scientific theory with nothing.

The premise - that the poster has determined for himself what is or isn't perfect - is fatally flawed for what I hope are obvious reasons.

The OP has nothing to do with what is perfect or imperfect. I don't care about that.

But to constantly pepper Christians with certain types of questions, then immediately declare the answers invalid because those answers don't line up with your secular sensibilities, is grossly unfair, and is also a serious waste of time.

There haven't been any explanations yet to even declare valid or invalid. It seems like a stretch to even get creationists to consider the question.

 

[AV1611VET]

There haven't been any explanations yet to even declare valid or invalid. It seems like a stretch to even get creationists to consider the question.

Do you have me on IGNORE?

 

[pitabread]

Do you have me on IGNORE?

Yes.

But I read your 'explanation' and my point above still stands. "Arrange molecules and add life" isn't an explanation. You and your brethren need to do better.

If you want something to gauge relative explanations, consider the high-level explanation for the formation of protocells found here: Exploring Life's Origins: Building a Protocell

And that's an extremely basic explanation of the process. Diving into the scientific literature for the different steps, the explanations get considerably more detailed and complex.

So far I'm not seeing something I would even consider a basic explanation for the origin of fully-formed living creatures.

 

[mmksparbud]

Then explain how it works.

Ask God--Only He knows---you explain how your version works. Where, in any of your explanations, is anything done without the help of a "designer", a lab, expensive medical equipment, someone doing something to something ? Where is the making of something out of nothing all on it own as you all claim?

 

[46AND2]

Where is the making of something out of nothing all on it own as you all claim?

Can you quote the post where he claimed this?

 

[pitabread]

Ask God--Only He knows

Why isn't this something creationists have tried to figure out? I mean, you guys are the ones who keep claiming life forms were created fully formed. Surely there must be some research into how that was done?

Why all the deflection?

you explain how your version works

That's not what this thread is for. This thread is for creationists to explain how life forms were created fully formed.

Dodging the question isn't going to work here.

 

[AV1611VET]

This thread is for creationists to explain how life forms were created fully formed.

You said it better than I did:

Arrange molecules and add life.

 

[Loren T.]

Note: Not looking for Bible quotes. I'm well aware what it says in Genesis.

What I want is an explanation beyond what is written in Genesis (or any other religious text) that specifically explains how it is possible to create life forms from scratch. Explain how a creator, supernatural or otherwise, would have created fully-formed life forms on Earth.

Describe the mechanisms, energies, forces, processes, etcs, that are involved in bringing fully-formed organisms into existence.

All we have are guesses. I personally tend towards seeing "everything was made through him" as God creating with part of himself. And I know someone can take that and go all new age with it. But I dont mean by that that matter is God. I mean God used part of himself to form matter, and life.

 

[mmksparbud]

Why isn't this something creationists have tried to figure out? I mean, you guys are the ones who keep claiming life forms were created fully formed. Surely there must be some research into how that was done?

Why all the deflection?



That's not what this thread is for. This thread is for creationists to explain how life forms were created fully formed.

Dodging the question isn't going to work here.

For crying out loud!! What's to figure out---God breathed life into everything--that is it. Nothing to figure out! Nothing to deflect. That is all the explanation there is, it is all the explanation we need!! What you need is your problem! You all just don't get it---He is God--His breath is life---that's only the upteenth time it's been said! We have no problem with this--you do!

 

[Lily of Valleys]

I'm not looking to "win". Rather, creationists are trying to argue for replacing an explanation we already have (biological evolution) with the idea that life forms were created independently. Therefore, we need an explanation for how that can happen. Otherwise biological evolution will never be replaced. You can't replace a scientific theory with nothing.

That "explanation" you already have is nothing more than a possibility. It is a matter of whether you choose to believe in that possibility or this possibility:

By the word of the Lord the heavens were made,
And by the breath of His mouth all their host. (Psalm 33:6)​

For He spoke, and it was done;
He commanded, and it stood fast. (Psalm 33:9)​

 

[eleos1954]

I'm talking about the creation of life on Earth (as fully-formed organisms). If you don't have an explanation for how that happened, we can just move on.

We do have an explanation and that is God and you know that. This forum is a Christian forum where the conversation are about God ... and you know that.

God created everything. The universe and everything in it, including fully-formed organisms that is our explanation ... and you know that. This is unacceptable to you. That's fine.

Your belief is based mainly if not exclusively on everything material ... you and others cite "evidence" based on that ... discounting anything spiritual as evidence. That's fine Everyone is free to believe whatever they want to for any reason(s) or no reason at all.

"we can just move on" ? - yes we can ... and we will and it will be based on Christian beliefs ... as that is what this forum is about.

You choose to be here and that's fine, but you present yourself to be firm in your belief that there is no God then what is it you expect to accomplish by participating in a Christian Forum?

accomplish - achieve or complete successfully.

 

[Speedwell]

We do have an explanation and that is God and you know that. This forum is a Christian forum where the conversation are about God ... and you know that.

Actually not. The conversations in this forum rarely turn on whether God is the author of our being. Theists believe it, atheists do not, but the real question is how it happened.