Creationism is....

[AV1611VET]

God is supposedly both omnipotent and omniscient. Such a being could never make something that didn't meet its standards without purposefully doing so.

What if "its" standards included freewill?

 

[PsychoSarah]

What would happen if they tried?

Would they get headaches?

And if they kept it up, would they fall on the floor and writhe in pain and agony until the "thought" subsides?

Not unless aformentoned omnipotent being does that on purpose.

 

[PsychoSarah]

What if "its" standards included freewill?

Free will doesn't necessessitate the capacity or even the option to sin.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

There are tons of things wrong with that "deceptive" translation. It completly removes the name of Jesus out of many important verses.

See A Comparison between the KJV and NASB Bibles for the verses.

Any verse that removes the name of Jesus from a verse is satanic and not worth the paper it was written on.

Acts 4:12:
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Phillipians 2:9:
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

We already have a perfect inerrant easy to understand word of God, it is called the King James Bible.

If the NASB and the KJV differ, how can you tell that it is the NASB that is wrong instead of the KJV? Please don't just explain it is because the KJV is always inerrant. Explain how you KNOW it is the KJV instead of the NASB that is always inerrant.

 

[AV1611VET]

I totally read that last line in a movie trailer voice.

You have to get your theology somewhere, don't you?

Can you give me an example of a miracle that's happened, say, this year? Or how about in the past 10 years? 100?

None that you would accept; and just to prove it: 16

Please respond, so I can say, "Thanks for the QED."

 

[AV1611VET]

Free will doesn't necessessitate the capacity or even the option to sin.

That is correct.

God didn't embed Murphy's Law into His creation; despite what scientists say.

ETA:

LOL ... I just noticed you said, "or even the option to sin".

Good one.

Now if I respond to the one, the other gets me.

You've obviously been to college, have you not?

 

[AV1611VET]

If the NASB and the KJV differ, how can you tell that it is the NASB that is wrong instead of the KJV?

It has a copyright?

It traces its lineage back to homosexuals Wescott & Hort?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Jesus doesn't have slaves -- as much as Robert E. Lee might had thought He did.

Hmm . . . what it says is

Rom 1:1
Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
NASU

Rom 1:1-2
1:1 Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2 which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures,
NAS

Where did you get the idea that New American Standard says "slave" in that verse?

 

[AV1611VET]

Where did you get the idea that New American Standard says "slave" in that verse?

Wow ... sorry about that. I stand corrected.

 

[PsychoSarah]

That is correct.

God didn't embed Murphy's Law into His creation; despite what scientists say.

ETA:

LOL ... I just noticed you said, "or even the option to sin".

Good one.

Now if I respond to the one, the other gets me.

You've obviously been to college, have you not?

I am a college student currently. Only 19 years old, AV. Out of curiosity, how old would you think I was if I didn't set it so my age could be viewed?

In life our options are limited. I cannot choose not to die, though I have the capacity to desire this choice and would likely do so if I could. Thus, you can't view desiring to sin and yet being unable to sin as a violation of free will without considering existing situations to also be a violation of free will.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am a college student currently. Only 19 years old, AV. Out of curiosity, how old would you think I was if I didn't set it so my age could be viewed?

It's not your age that tells me you're a college student; it's how you talk, and the way you talk.

Antibiblical remarks, ridicule from behind question marks, refusal to understand on principle; all done with good English and punctuation.

I'd say you've been to college.

 

[Tzaousios]

It's not your age that tells me you're a college student; it's how you talk, and the way you talk.

Antibiblical remarks, ridicule from behind question marks, refusal to understand on principle; all done with good English and punctuation.

I'd say you've been to college.

Interesting. Do you conclude the same about me?

 

[Delphiki]

You have to get your theology somewhere, don't you?

None that you would accept; and just to prove it: 16

Please respond, so I can say, "Thanks for the QED."

Explain what makes any of those event miraculous. They are all mundane, naturally explained, world events. Do you have anything with resurrection, water walking, sea parting, or anything of similar magnitude?

 

[PsychoSarah]

It's not your age that tells me you're a college student; it's how you talk, and the way you talk.

Antibiblical remarks, ridicule from behind question marks, refusal to understand on principle; all done with good English and punctuation.

I'd say you've been to college.

Interestingly enough, college actually made me more accepting of religion and question my astute stance on theology more. I was at a critical point in my life where I was about to give up on seeking faith entirely; the only reason I am not an antitheist on the level of consol is thanks to my college experiences.

If you look at my absolute earliest posts on this site, you'll actually notice I wasn't very friendly at all. And exceedingly argumentative. Well, compared to now, anyways.

I am not making fun of you or anyone else AV, sorry if you feel that way. I just have a tendency to seek out logical flaws in arguments is all. I have no malevolent intent I assure you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Interesting. Do you conclude the same about me?

I honestly don't know your posting style.

I don't believe we've conversed.

I suppose I could go back and read your posts, but I really don't read much, unless it's either addressed to me, or about me.

Sometimes I feel like butting in, so I'll read what one person said to another, just to cut in and say something ... shall we say ... thought-provoking.

But for the record, I don't know you that well.

What attracts me the most are posts on Creationism and/or the Flood.

Those are magnets to me.

 

[AV1611VET]

Explain what makes any of those event miraculous. They are all mundane, naturally explained, world events. Do you have anything with resurrection, water walking, sea parting, or anything of similar magnitude?

In this dispensation?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

Interestingly enough, college actually made me more accepting of religion...

Let's be frank, Sarah.

Religion can go back to Hell where it came from, but college won't let it.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I honestly don't know your posting style.

I don't believe we've conversed.

I suppose I could go back and read your posts, but I really don't read much, unless it's either addressed to me, or about me.

Sometimes I feel like butting in, so I'll read what one person said to another, just to cut in and say something ... shall we say ... thought-provoking.

But for the record, I don't know you that well.

What attracts me the most are posts on Creationism and/or the Flood.

Those are magnets to me.

Try out the philosophy subforums sometime, AV. No real evidence, no real answers, just exaggerated deep thinking that goes nowhere. Man, do I love that essentially useless and unnecessary practice.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Let's be frank, Sarah.

Religion can go back to Hell where it came from, but college won't let it.

-_- the theological views of others then. So touchy, I wasn't even calling your specific beliefs a religion there.

 

[Tzaousios]

I honestly don't know your posting style.

I don't believe we've conversed.

We have, on occasion.

I suppose I could go back and read your posts, but I really don't read much, unless it's either addressed to me, or about me.

I would suggest that you do this before making blanket statements like you did above in reference to PsychoSarah and her education. It was really rather pejorative considering that out most atheists and misotheists on this site, she demonstrates a great deal of tolerance and willingness to consider Christianity on a more even playing field.

But for the record, I don't know you that well.

What attracts me the most are posts on Creationism and/or the Flood.

Those are magnets to me.

Likewise, the science and empiricism of the Creation/Evolution debate do not interest me much. Rather, it is the philosophical underpinnings and the rhetorical modes of expression of the different sides which draw my attention.