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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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Some ... as do I ... think that Job is the Jobab mentioned in Genesis 10.
Genesis 10:29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan.
Genesis 10 is referred to as The Table of Nations.
In addition, the Greeks probably came from Tiras, Noah's grandson.
Genesis 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
Thus, from Noah's three sons: Job came from Shem, and the Greeks came from Japheth.
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We know a lot of the bible was written between AD 100 and 1000, we know that the 'let those who are without sin cast the first stone' verses were written in about AD 1000.
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There will be no peace until the Prince of Peace comes.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Then, as the old spiritual goes:
"Ain't gonna study war no more!"
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But why? You must understand that any human capacity for violence and disharmony is sourced from god as per your religion at some point. Any human flaw really is on the being that supposedly designed humans, knowing they were flawed no less. Before you state free will, free will doesn't require one to actually be capable of anything they could want to do. I sure can't flap my arms and fly, but would you view that as a violation of my free will? If not, then god never giving Adam and Eve the opportunity to commit original sin (just never put the tree of knowledge in Eden in the first place) wouldn't have been a violation of free will, and the test truly unnecessary in every way. However, if you do view it as a violation of free will to actively limit options, then everyone's free will is violated constantly by our physical, social, economic, and mental limits. So it ultimately wouldn't matter if free will so frequently violated was violated a little more.
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There will be no peace until the Prince of Peace comes.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Then, as the old spiritual goes:
"Ain't gonna study war no more!"
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Free will doesn't mean it does away with law and order. Modern man has the free will to travel by ship or by plane but that doesn't mean both ships and planes can ignore natural laws.
Man has free will when it comes to his actions but God predestines the reaction of those actions. You have free will to jump off a 10 story building but you don't have free will with the reaction of that action. Once you jumped off a building you are the mercy of the law of gravity.
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PsychoSarah
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Exactly, so why not make the "natural order" prevent sin altogether?
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As long as someone can find a way to blame this stuff on God, they'll be here: blinded and taking swings at the piñata.
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PsychoSarah
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Do you not think god could have made humans who would have resisted the temptation of the forbidden fruit?
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All we have in scripture are the dispensations. According to scripture the last dispensations will be when Jesus rules with a rod of iron removing sin. Yet after a thousand years those born in that time will be given a change to rebel against God which will be the last World War. God intent to prove to man, removing all doubt, that man's only salvation is Jesus Christ.
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-_- if that were true god would just make itself a part of our lives so obviously that no doubt would ever form to begin with
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Yes -- we call those kinds of humans "actors."
Could have = humans.
Would have = actors.
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God is supposedly both omnipotent and omniscient. Such a being could never make something that didn't meet its standards without purposefully doing so.
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Yup.
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Unbelievers like to say that if God were to actually come here and work miracles, they would believe.
But here's God actually here working miracles and what happens? they attack Him again.
Except this time He is going to fight back.
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I totally read that last line in a movie trailer voice.
Can you give me an example of a miracle that's happened, say, this year? Or how about in the past 10 years? 100?
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What would happen if they tried?
Would they get headaches?
And if they kept it up, would they fall on the floor and writhe in pain and agony until the "thought" subsides?
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