Creation

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply where the word veterinary comes from I have no idea must be my old pad and I must read my post properly before I post.
Christ is the last Adam he is the head his body the multitude of believers they are devided up in the same way as Israel was We have God the Father head of all things Jesus Christ high priest through whom all things were created then we have the bride of Christ all those chosen from the foundation of the world then we have the children of God the multitude of believers Christ and his body are the last Adam.

Love and Peace
Dave

Thanks. As far as I can see, the phrase "last Adam" is only used in the bible for Jesus Christ, not about believers:

“And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” (1Co 15:45 NKJV)


That is the only place where "last Adam" is mentioned. Only Christ Himself can give life and be described as a life-giving spirit, not His followers.

 

[davetaff]

Thanks. As far as I can see, the phrase "last Adam" is only used in the bible for Jesus Christ, not about believers:

“And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” (1Co 15:45 NKJV)


That is the only place where "last Adam" is mentioned. Only Christ Himself can give life and be described as a life-giving spirit, not His followers.

Hi David
Thank you for your reply that's right Christ is the last Adam this includes his whole body which consists of all believers and he is a life giving Spirit which he gives to his body of believers we received the spirit through baptism when we go through the water of the word of God which convicts of sin and we die and are reborn receiving the holy spirit and enter the body of Christ the last Adam is Christ the head and his body all the believers who have received the Holy Spirit.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply that's right Christ is the last Adam this includes his whole body which consists of all believers and he is a life giving Spirit which he gives to his body of believers we received the spirit through baptism when we go through the water of the word of God which convicts of sin and we die and are reborn receiving the holy spirit and enter the body of Christ the last Adam is Christ the head and his body all the believers who have received the Holy Spirit.

Love and Peace
Dave

Thanks Dave, however, 1 Corinthians 15:45 says that the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. Christ gives life, but His followers don't - they point to Christ. There is no bible verse I can think of saying that Christ's followers are the last Adam. They are in the last Adam, Christ, but they are not the last Adam, their Saviour is.

 

[davetaff]

Thanks Dave, however, 1 Corinthians 15:45 says that the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. Christ gives life, but His followers don't - they point to Christ. There is no bible verse I can think of saying that Christ's followers are the last Adam. They are in the last Adam, Christ, but they are not the last Adam, their Saviour is.

Hi David
Thank you for your reply but how do you suggest we separate the body of Christ you can't separate the his body Christ the head and his body are one unit and together they are the last Adam man in the image of God the end of creation

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[stevevw]

Hi that God has created everything that is is not in question the only thing he needed to create after the flood was man in his image which would be realised in Christ at his second coming then this creation would be complete man in the image of God is the body of Christ which he will present to the Father on his return SO it seams Adam is a whole multitude of people not one man

Love and Peace
Dave

Thanks Dave. I am not sure what you mean by that man was created in Gods image after the flood. This cannot be as before the flood people were held accountable. We have to be made in Gods image to have this conscience and consciousness. As opposed to animals, plants or rocks. Well at least a higher consciousness than animals.

Now how this happened I don't know, how God created us in His image as opposed to our material world and bodies. That obviously was the result of the fall. Whether the image of God was installed from the beginning as an evolving consciousness or was installed into humans by a divine act.

But I don't think that is so important as the fact is God created us in His image. How that came about is not the point but that it is a reality for humans. This enabled us to have free will as opposed to animals and thus are accountable to God. We are able to have relationship with a transcedent God beyond our material fallen world.

I think Adam and from Adam to Seth and through the line of prophets until Noah Gods image was preserved. By the time the world had got to Noah everyone except Noahs family were sinning. So Noah is the beacon of light that represents Gods image in us that was preserved. But I agree t5hat from this point I think things were different. There was a new spirit that came upon the earth through Noah.

In fact however long it took to get from Adam to Noah, I think around 1700 or 1800 years Noah would have the same knowledge and God awareness as Adam as it was preserved. Noah still seen the world as from the garden nearly 2000 years after Adam.

 

[davetaff]

Thanks Dave. I am not sure what you mean by that man was created in Gods image after the flood. This cannot be as before the flood people were held accountable. We have to be made in Gods image to have this conscience and consciousness. As opposed to animals, plants or rocks. Well at least a higher consciousness than animals.

Now how this happened I don't know, how God created us in His image as opposed to our material world and bodies. That obviously was the result of the fall. Whether the image of God was installed from the beginning as an evolving consciousness or was installed into humans by a divine act.

But I don't think that is so important as the fact is God created us in His image. How that came about is not the point but that it is a reality for humans. This enabled us to have free will as opposed to animals and thus are accountable to God. We are able to have relationship with a transcedent God beyond our material fallen world.

I think Adam and from Adam to Seth and through the line of prophets until Noah Gods image was preserved. By the time the world had got to Noah everyone except Noahs family were sinning. So Noah is the beacon of light that represents Gods image in us that was preserved. But I agree t5hat from this point I think things were different. There was a new spirit that came upon the earth through Noah.

In fact however long it took to get from Adam to Noah, I think around 1700 or 1800 years Noah would have the same knowledge and God awareness as Adam as it was preserved. Noah still seen the world as from the garden nearly 2000 years after Adam.

Hi stevevw
Thank you for your reply but God did not say make man in my image he said in our image indicating more than one I think the word man should be understood as mankind and the best example we have is Israel Gods son this is man in the image of God I also believe the first and last Adam would have bean created in the same way and we know what the last Adam looks like we have Christ the head and his body a whole multitude of believers and the first Adam would have bean created in the same way.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[stevevw]

Hi stevevw
Thank you for your reply but God did not say make man in my image he said in our image indicating more than one I think the word man should be understood as mankind and the best example we have is Israel Gods son this is man in the image of God I also believe the first and last Adam would have bean created in the same way and we know what the last Adam looks like we have Christ the head and his body a whole multitude of believers and the first Adam would have bean created in the same way.

Love and Peace
Dave

Yes theres a lot of spiritual representation there. I was m,entioning another aspect of Christ as the groom for His bride church and man and women in marriage.

Yes God did say ' in our image'. I assume this was speaking of the God head. Angles were not in Gods image.

 

[davetaff]

Yes theres a lot of spiritual representation there. I was m,entioning another aspect of Christ as the groom for His bride church and man and women in marriage.

Yes God did say ' in our image'. I assume this was speaking of the God head. Angles were not in Gods image.

Hi stevevw
Thank you for your post you said

Yes God did say ' in our image'. I assume this was speaking of the God head. Angles were not in Gods image

As I see it he was speaking of the heavenly host which included Angels the head of all things is the Father next comes his son Jesus Christ the high priest and the creator of all thing the comes his bride the church all those chosen by the father then the stars the children of God all those created by Christ and his church

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[stevevw]

Hi stevevw
Thank you for your post you said

Yes God did say ' in our image'. I assume this was speaking of the God head. Angles were not in Gods image

As I see it he was speaking of the heavenly host which included Angels the head of all things is the Father next comes his son Jesus Christ the high priest and the creator of all thing the comes his bride the church all those chosen by the father then the stars the children of God all those created by Christ and his church

Love and Peace
Dave

I think the important part is that God created us in His image man and women. This is the destinction I think between us and the angels and other heavenly beings. In us is an essence of God, perhaps our consciousness that enables us to have relationship with God.

It seems we were a special creation and something that was inherent in God that ultimately is found in Christ who came to earth as a man and yet God in the one.

Due to the fall there is a battle between Gods image for us and our flesh carnal nature. But it is Christ who transcends us from this fallen nature into an image of God. I think that can happen now as we are born again in Christ. We can be as we were meant to be by Christ living in us even as man amd women.