Creation of Additional Major Categories

[dragoniatiegre]

There's no contradiction.

CF isn't going to say that you are not Christian. That is between you and God.

However, we're not going to say that unorthodoxy is the same and equal to orthodoxy.

And yet, other "unorthodox" denominations are allowed congregational forums. Seventh-day Adventists, Messianic Judism, etc, all fall under some form of unorthodox.

 

[Brennin]

There's no contradiction.

CF isn't going to say that you are not Christian. That is between you and God.

However, we're not going to say that unorthodoxy is the same and equal to orthodoxy.

Could you be more specific as to what these proposed changes entail? I don't mind the Nicenes having their own doctrinal forum but I should be able to interact with them as I do now in Christian Apologetics, Christian Philosophy & Ethics, etc.

 

[Letalis]

Could you be more specific as to what these proposed changes entail? I don't mind the Nicenes having their own doctrinal forum but I should be able to interact with them as I do now in Christian Apologetics, Christian Philosophy & Ethics, etc.

Those forums are still open to all members, as I understand it.

Their own forum specific rules would have more information, but I believe the only Theology forum that has Nicene restrictions on who can debate is the Nicene Theology forum.

 

[Letalis]

And yet, other "unorthodox" denominations are allowed congregational forums. Seventh-day Adventists, Messianic Judism, etc, all fall under some form of unorthodox.

Those groups adhere to the Nicene Creed, and so are considered to be orthodox for the site's purposes.

 

[Brennin]

Those forums are still open to all members, as I understand it.

Their own forum specific rules would have more information, but I believe the only Theology forum that has Nicene restrictions on who can debate is the Nicene Theology forum.

Then I am content. Thanks.

 

[Orontes]

Hi,

If you have any suggestions or proposals, please post them here.

Blessings,
Letalis

You can start fellowship threads if you want, but these sections will be aimed towards debate. There will not be any safe-havens or congregations for non-Christian or unorthodox groups.

Erwin's reforms never included the creation of congregation forums for unorthodox and non-Christian groups.

CF isn't going to judge your walk. We aren't going to tell you that you're not Christian, and that's not what this forum rearrangement is aimed at doing.

However, CF isn't going to take a stance of neutrality. The site still is aimed at promoting orthodox Christianity.

This is from Erwin's announcement on the new CF:

From part 1 sub-points f and g:

" f) No more restriction of faith icons - who are we to tell you who you are or what you believe in? In fact, no other restrictions - if you want to call yourself married, go ahead. It is between you and God, not you and CF.

g) If you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge."


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There is nothing noting qualified Christian status i.e. orthodox or no. In fact, it states out right: no reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. The refusal to grant LDS there own congregation is an affront to the spirit of the announcement. This site does not suggest it only wants to unite one sect or one line of thinking. Rather, it is ecumenical. If one is allowed to self identify as Christian and there are groups who hold similar doctrinal views such that they are distinct then such should have their own congregation forum. Lip service to Christian self identification while placing some groups i.e. LDS in only debate forums speaks to the apartheid of the old CF.
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[drstevej]

f) No more restriction of faith icons - who are we to tell you who you are or what you believe in? In fact, no other restrictions - if you want to call yourself married, go ahead. It is between you and God, not you and CF.

Sure seems like ya can grab you a Nicene icon and go join their forum and if any questions are asked just say God sent you.


Seems like New Erwin is becoming Old Erwin again.
More popcorn anyone?

 

[BelindaP]

OK. I have a problem with this. 40% of Baptists, non-denoms and charismatics don't adhere to the Nicene Creed. Shouldn't they be shoved into the non-orthodox category, too?

 

[Gwenyfur]

I strongly feel we should leave it as it is right now...

how many more "reorganizations" does CF need...really???
It works as is...leave it be...

just my mites...

 

[Melethiel]

I strongly feel we should leave it as it is right now...

how many more "reorganizations" does CF need...really???
It works as is...leave it be...

just my mites...

Agreed.

 

[Joykins]

I strongly feel we should leave it as it is right now...

how many more "reorganizations" does CF need...really???
It works as is...leave it be...

just my mites...

I agree! This is VERY CONFUSING. One of the forums I liked just disappeared--folded into a very different forum! Why are we rearranging forums every other day?

 

[Joykins]

Letalis, maybe you could clarify something for me. Are you saying that Erwin decided that there would be no congregational forums for LDS/JW or that "we" did and in either case who is "we"?

 

[Letalis]

I apologize for any confusion. I'm hoping this will be the last time that we rearrange any forums.

 

[drstevej]

Did Erwin decide it or others?

 

[Letalis]

Letalis, maybe you could clarify something for me. Are you saying that Erwin decided that there would be no congregational forums for LDS/JW or that "we" did and in either case who is "we"?

The decision rested with Erwin. Other staff gave input.

 

[drstevej]

The decision rested with Erwin. Other staff gave input.

Could we have the link to the staff forum discussion where he decided this?

 

[Apex]

The decision rested with Erwin. Other staff gave input.

Then why didnt Erwin announce this? Please give us the link where this decision was made.

 

[Joykins]

The decision rested with Erwin. Other staff gave input.

I can't say I really got involved in the discussion whether to give LDS/JW Congregational forums on either side, but to give them Congregational Forums and then take them away seems particularly cruel to me.

 

[dignitized]

I gotta say - the way this was done - this is bad form. VERY bad form. ESPECIALLY since you KNEW the wiki existed and that it was LOCKED. Now we know why it was locked. VERY bad form.

 

[drstevej]

Where did Letalis go?

Hopefully to look for the link to the staff discussion and Erwin's comments. After all, no more secret staff fora.