Creation and evolution both right??

[busterdog]

You seem to have quite certainly settled it for yourself if for nobody else. All I was doing was to point out that God is hardly obliged to conform to our expectations.

"Read it harshly or read it incitefully"? No wonder it's impossible for a TE to ever make a fellowship post here; one wonders if the fault is with the TEs. I'll make my exit before I disturb the peace here any further.

Your use of the word "expectation" is an extremely thin reed on which to lean. You took my words out of context to construct an argument of your own. Well, I am not playing.

The precise literal content of what I said could be taken to mean that one can invent an omnipotent god by mere human desire. If you think I am that stupid, why bother posting responses to me?

 

[walloffire]

True. Jesus didn't need to spit in dirt and cover his eyes with mud. All he had to do was say it, and it would have been done. None of the physical things that Jesus did were necesary. Why he did them? My guess is that he did a physical thing either to test them or to make it easier for them to believe, etc.

Yes I think it was so it would be easier for the person to believe. Props, if you will. Or maybe he foreknew how the catholics would do their whole "holy water" bs, and he wanted to be the first one to use holy spit

 

[walloffire]

If humans evolved, how could they do this?

Acts 3:1-19
(1) Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
(2) And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
(3) Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.
(4) And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.
(5) And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.
(6) Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
(7) And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
(8) And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.
(9) And all the people saw him walking and praising God:
(10) And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.
(11) And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering.
(12) And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
(13) The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
(14) But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
(15) And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
(16) And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
(17) And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
(18) But those things, which God before had showed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
(19) Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Peter, a man, healed a person by speaking. No evolved creature could do that.

 

[walloffire]

So, your all-powerful god has limitations that my God doesn't have.

I didn't ask you if your God did create life through evolution. I asked if He could create life through evolution.

Since you say thet your God can't create life through evolution, you have a weak, limited God.

Its just that God already said how he created life, and it made no mention of evolution. Nor did Jesus, who foresaw the debate, feel any need to make mention of evolution, not even once. He did however mention how he created man:

Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

If evolution were correct, and all creatures evolved from asexual creatures, then God could not have "made them male AND female" - he would have first made them asexual, then changed them into male and female. Jesus was very clear that he made them male and female, thereby debunking not only evolution but also homosexuality as a "lifestyle". Evolution is folly, and homosexuality is a deathstyle, not a lifestyle

 

[walloffire]

How about this:

God created the universe and all that's in it.
God used evolution as His means of creation.

Jesus said he made them "male and female". This is exclusive of a theory of creation which includes evolution, since evolution necessarily involves (somehow) there being (first) asexual creatures that turn into sexual creatures.

If you believe in Jesus, then you believe creation occurred with God making them "male and female", and thus you cannot believe in evolution and still be a Christian.

 

[FallingWaters]

Reps to walloffire!

 

[Dannager]

If humans evolved, how could they do this?

By the grace of God.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Only Creationists can debate in this subforum...

it's in plain english, I know y'all can read...

 

[greeker57married]

Jesus said he made them "male and female". This is exclusive of a theory of creation which includes evolution, since evolution necessarily involves (somehow) there being (first) asexual creatures that turn into sexual creatures.

If you believe in Jesus, then you believe creation occurred with God making them "male and female", and thus you cannot believe in evolution and still be a Christian.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God made man in his images this rules out that man evolved from a lesser life form.

Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Man was made a living being and a spiritual being he is more than an animal.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground Jehovah God formed every beast of the field, and every bird of the heavens; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them: and whatsoever the man called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Man was created with intelligence, He named the animals and God conversed with Him. This rules out that man evolved from a lower life form.

God Bless
Greeker

 

[LetHimThatGlories]

I wanted to throw this in there. I didn't see anyone respond to this specifically (but there are a lot of pages on this thread)

3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal [b] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."

I think that He was referring to the number of years that were to pass before the flood was to occur, and kill everybody (except for Noah and his family, who found grace in the eyes of the Lord).

Interesingly, If you do the math, you can see that Methuselah died the year of the flood (don't know if he died in the flood). All of the other relatives listed in the geneology died long before, up to a few years before.

 

[Carey]

I wanted to throw this in there. I didn't see anyone respond to this specifically (but there are a lot of pages on this thread)



I think that He was referring to the number of years that were to pass before the flood was to occur, and kill everybody (except for Noah and his family, who found grace in the eyes of the Lord).

Interesingly, If you do the math, you can see that Methuselah died the year of the flood (don't know if he died in the flood). All of the other relatives listed in the geneology died long before, up to a few years before.

Have you noticed the age of the oldest people on earth in the last 100 years up to today??

Its about 120 years.

 

[FallingWaters]

This happens to be a point on which Biblical scholars continue to disagree. You're not going to solve it here.

I happen to believe it means that Noah had about 120 years to build the Ark.

Gill says:
"yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years: meaning not the term of man's life, reduced to this from the length of time he lived before the flood; but this designs the space that God would give for repentance, before he proceeded to execute his vengeance on him; this is that "longsuffering of God" the apostle speaks of in the afore mentioned place, "that waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was preparing"; and so both the Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan interpret it of a space of an hundred and twenty years given them to repent: now whereas it was but an hundred years from the birth of Japheth to the flood, some think the space was shortened twenty years, because of their impenitence; but it is more probable what Jarchi observes, that this decree was made and given out twenty years before his birth..."

Barnes says:
"His days shall be an hundred and twenty years. - “His days” are the days of man, not the individual, but the race, with whom the Lord still strives. Hence, they refer to the duration, not of the life of an individual, but of the existence of the race. From this we learn that the narrative here reverts to a point of time before the birth of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, recorded in the close of the preceding passage as there were only a hundred years from their birth to the deluge. This is according to the now well-known method of Scripture, when it has two lines of events to carry on...."

Matthew Henry says:
"III. A reprieve granted, notwithstanding: Yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years; so long I will defer the judgment they deserve, and give them space to prevent it by their repentance and reformation. ..."

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