Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (3)

[TheNewWorldMan]

And once again, Shield ducks my questions.

How can anyone believe that he'll ever grow enough backbone to hang somebody?

Finally...the life-like Shield of Faith® Action Figure:

boldly ran away
bravely ran away...

 

[marshlewis]

Wrong once again.

The New C.S.A. would be a wonderful place. A place that women could feel safe walking down the street at night. A place where children would not be in fear of the Gov. breaking down the door to take them away and shove them in some ungodly "child protective services" because someone wanted to get some political cheese points. A place where you would never see drug dealers on the streets. A place where you would never see gangs!!! A place where you would never see bands of homosexuals screaming obscenities dressing in womens underwear and dancing lewdly on floats. A place where your children would not be in danger of inter-net predators. A place where there would never be a MBLA, or any other form of child pornography!!!

Yes, the New C.S.A. would be an awesome place to bring up a family.

If you want to see something like hell on earth, go to some of our slums in the U.S., or go to San Franpsycho (Sodom & Gomorah.).

The New C.S.A. it's what's for families.

Considering the general consensus on this topic, the only reason any of the above would be true is because the CSA would be a country of one citizen.

 

[Shadowfax503]

Hey SOF,
Instead of running away from all the problems you say we have here in America why not do something to make it better? Why not try and get kids off drugs? Why not give a hand to the elder lady down the street? Why not make what we have right here right now in front of us a better place, a more "Christian" place.
I am not talking about following some laws. If all you want is law and order than go to China or Cuba or some country ruled by an iron fist government. If what you want is a real Christ like country then we have a wonderful place to start right here in the USA.
Christ called us to be part of the world but not of the world.
Government will NEVER be able to force people to believe a certain thing or way. The only person who can MAKE me do something is Me. (God gave me this in free will) If you want a nation that believes as you do and lives by the same values as you; then stop thinking you can force people into it, you never will. But with love and persuasion and real giving on your part you may convince some.
That is how you will have your new nation. Grass roots, from the bottom up.

 

[tulc]

Actually Shadowfax503 that makes sense.
tulc(good post!)

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Hey SOF,
Instead of running away from all the problems you say we have here in America why not do something to make it better? Why not try and get kids off drugs? Why not give a hand to the elder lady down the street? Why not make what we have right here right now in front of us a better place, a more "Christian" place.
I am not talking about following some laws. If all you want is law and order than go to China or Cuba or some country ruled by an iron fist government. If what you want is a real Christ like country then we have a wonderful place to start right here in the USA.
Christ called us to be part of the world but not of the world.
Government will NEVER be able to force people to believe a certain thing or way. The only person who can MAKE me do something is Me. (God gave me this in free will) If you want a nation that believes as you do and lives by the same values as you; then stop thinking you can force people into it, you never will. But with love and persuasion and real giving on your part you may convince some.
That is how you will have your new nation. Grass roots, from the bottom up.

Are you talking about problems like what happened today in my state of California???

Where a small group of judges over-rulled the people and gave the ok to homosexual "marriage"???

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Finally...the life-like Shield of Faith®

boldly ran away
bravely ran away...

A little more like this:

 

[Nathan Poe]

A little more like this:

Self-importance: It's what's for the insecure.

Ducking my questions again: It's what's for cowards.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Are you talking about problems like what happened today in my state of California???

Where a small group of judges over-rulled the people and gave the ok to homosexual "marriage"???

You mean where the judges followed the law, and not the mob mentality?

 

[TheReasoner]

A little more like this:

Okay you see yourself that way. We see you as one of the below:

You don't answer questions. You have strongly promoted things which could be right out of history books describing Hitler. I'd say you're a mix between Sir Robin and Hitler.

 

[USincognito]

I'm sure this has been pointed out, but since I just happened to watch it this weekend, there's a movie which shows what a C.S.A. in 2008 would look like.

 

[Shadowfax503]

Are you talking about problems like what happened today in my state of California???

Where a small group of judges over-rulled the people and gave the ok to homosexual "marriage"???

Hmmm? Answer my question with a question of your own?
I am not afraid to make a stand and state my position on issues so I will respond to this question with an answer.

Am I talking about gay right to marriage as a problem?

Well lets see we have Murder,Rape,Kidnapping,Abuse,Theft. These are some real problems. We have hunger and poverty and lack of good education. These are real problems. We have homeless, addicts, racism. These are real problems. We have men dieing in another country thats in a civil war. We have a government thats spends more in 1 year than it will make in the next 10 years. We have a lack of concern about fellow humans within our churches. These are real problems.

So does gays getting married rank as a problem? Not to me!

Lets work on things that are killing and destroying peoples lives before we start working on things that are displeasing to God.
Oh by the way all of those things that I think are problems are I am sure displeasing to God. For some reason I think God would want to see a human life saved more than some commandment followed. If people are dead or dieing they cant turn to God and seek him.

Remember it was the pharisees and scribes who Jesus called the den of vipers. It was the Tax collectors and Fisherman and simple sinners of the world he called Salt and Light.

You want to change this place then start at home! Then your neighborhood. Then your town. Then your city. Then your county. Then your State. Then your Region. Then this country. Then this hemisphere. Then the WORLD.

Thats how Jesus did it!
Why do you think you can do it better than him?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Hmmm? Answer my question with a question of your own?
I am not afraid to make a stand and state my position on issues so I will respond to this question with an answer.

Am I talking about gay right to marriage as a problem?

Well lets see we have Murder,Rape,Kidnapping,Abuse,Theft. These are some real problems. We have hunger and poverty and lack of good education. These are real problems. We have homeless, addicts, racism. These are real problems. We have men dieing in another country thats in a civil war. We have a government thats spends more in 1 year than it will make in the next 10 years. We have a lack of concern about fellow humans within our churches. These are real problems.

So does gays getting married rank as a problem? Not to me!

Lets work on things that are killing and destroying peoples lives before we start working on things that are displeasing to God.
Oh by the way all of those things that I think are problems are I am sure displeasing to God. For some reason I think God would want to see a human life saved more than some commandment followed. If people are dead or dieing they cant turn to God and seek him.

Remember it was the pharisees and scribes who Jesus called the den of vipers. It was the Tax collectors and Fisherman and simple sinners of the world he called Salt and Light.

You want to change this place then start at home! Then your neighborhood. Then your town. Then your city. Then your county. Then your State. Then your Region. Then this country. Then this hemisphere. Then the WORLD.

Thats how Jesus did it!
Why do you think you can do it better than him?

Watch it -- If Shield is too afraid to answer my questions, don't give him an excuse to "forget" them.

 

[Henaynei]

.Find me the part of the Constitution which prohibits gay marriage -- it's not there. Sounds like these "oligarchs" are doing their job.

see how twisted the popular understanding of both the Constitution AND the powers of the Judiciary are???

1) the issue of the Constitution is this.... it expressly states what the boundaries of the Federal Government are - that is the the Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches - those express and limited powers/jurisdiction/issues are all they get - ALL that is not granted to them is expressly retained by individual states....

2) the Federal Judges have taken upon themselves powers never granted to them by the Constitution.... they now enforce upon the people judgements that are not the law (making laws is *expressly* retained by legislatures, not courts) but yet which are given the weight of law - even to the point of telling the Legislature what law they must obey even when contradictory to the Constitution...

3) thus, instead of the courts rulling ONLY on what IS in the Constitution they now rule on what is NOT in the Constitution and because our knowledge of the Constitution, separation of powers and what the powers of the other branches and the people are... these pontifications become law where no law existed.... even in violation of the people's expressed will ....

 

[Nathan Poe]

see how twisted the popular understanding of both the Constitution AND the powers of the Judiciary are???

1) the issue of the Constitution is this.... it expressly states what the boundaries of the Federal Government are - that is the the Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches - those express and limited powers/jurisdiction/issues are all they get - ALL that is not granted to them is expressly retained by individual states....

And since no part of the Constitution defines marriage, that part is left to the individual states. Not seeing a problem so far...

2) the Federal Judges have taken upon themselves powers never granted to them by the Constitution.... they now enforce upon the people judgements that are not the law (making laws is *expressly* retained by legislatures, not courts) but yet which are given the weight of law - even to the point of telling the Legislature what law they must obey even when contradictory to the Constitution...

But not contradictory to California's state Constitution which, in the absence of any federal mandate, must be the standard by which to measure any California state law.

3) thus, instead of the courts rulling ONLY on what IS in the Constitution they now rule on what is NOT in the Constitution and because our knowledge of the Constitution, separation of powers and what the powers of the other branches and the people are... these pontifications become law where no law existed.... even in violation of the people's expressed will ....

The people's expressed will was in violation of California's state constitution. Let them vote to reinstate segregation and see how well they fare.

 

[Shadowfax503]

Watch it -- If Shield is too afraid to answer my questions, don't give him an excuse to "forget" them.

Ooops..
Please forgive me.
I would just really like him to take a stand and answer direct questions with direct answers. Be it yours, mine or others.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Ooops..
Please forgive me.
I would just really like him to take a stand and answer direct questions with direct answers. Be it yours, mine or others.

Alas, I suspect that would require a courage the OP does not posess.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Considering you've avoided them all, I suppose any of them would be a start.

But let's begin with this one: How can you pretend that the C.S.A. is going to be all about self-control when every action is performed under the threat of hanging?

The threat of being hanged forces self control. Now I know that this is a foreign idea to you. I know that you never heard of such a thing. However, knowing for a fact that if you get out of control and commit murder, rape, kidnapping; you will be hanged by the neck until dead; usually forces people to stay under self control.

A very strong government with holy values, and self control: AWESOME!!!

SOLA GRATIA.

 

[scraparcs]

The threat of being hanged forces self control. Now I know that this is a foreign idea to you. I know that you never heard of such a thing. However, knowing for a fact that if you get out of control and commit murder, rape, kidnapping; you will be hanged by the neck until dead; usually forces people to stay under self control.

A very strong government with holy values, and self control: AWESOME!!!

SOLA GRATIA.

The death penalty is an option in much of the United States, yet those who are inclined to murder still murder and those who would never dream of such a thing don't murder.

 

[tulc]

A very strong government with holy values, and self control: AWESOME!!!

Hmmm still not answering the questions huh?
tulc(do you see any answers being given sometime in the future?)

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

The threat of being hanged forces self control. Now I know that this is a foreign idea to you. I know that you never heard of such a thing. However, knowing for a fact that if you get out of control and commit murder, rape, kidnapping; you will be hanged by the neck until dead; usually forces people to stay under self control.

A very strong government with holy values, and self control: AWESOME!!!

SOLA GRATIA.

And look, there it is!

Remember several pages back, I said SoF moves the goalposts whenever he feels under siege, and makes the argument about good ol' capital punishment for murderers, rapists and other particularly nasty scoundrels. There he goes...