Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

[Nathan Poe]

Why would he have to propose that? We already got it and its lead by you democrats.

When did the dems get a chance to put this into motion? The repubs have run the government for the last 8 years now...

All of what I described is what all you leftist love.

Hysterical much?

I will not surrender my economic freedoms to the government

What economic freedoms?

and if SoF proposed any regulation of the economy, then I' am nothing like him.

SoF is allegedly proposing a government based on OT laws -- I'm sure your money will go to the building and maintenence of the state-run temples.

 

[USMC4Life]

SoF wants them hanged. You want them shipped to Iran and then hanged.

Hard to believe you "don't care" about people you'd like exterminated.

Do you not read anything you reply to or do you just type with out thinking, I believe it is the latter. I do not support killing them, I think they should keep out of politics because their influence is too high, the minorities opinion has been injected into our government and the rights of the majority are being trampled.

 

[DrStrangelove]

When your opinion includes trampling freedom of speech, its not a valid opinion or should have power in our great Republic.

We're not a republic. We're a Democracy. Yes, there is a difference. And no one is trying to ban free-speech. Let me rephrase that. No gay person really cares what some uptight & homophobic pastor has to say. Just like I don't.

 

[USMC4Life]

When did the dems get a chance to put this into motion? The repubs have run the government for the last 8 years now...



Hysterical much?



What economic freedoms?



SoF is allegedly proposing a government based on OT laws -- I'm sure your money will go to the building and maintenence of the state-run temples.

Are you ignorant of what we are talking about? Statism is where people put all their trust in the government to take care of them and dedication and belief that the government can fix everything.

Its exactly what you guys love.

Freedom from government regulation.

The government shouldn't be part of the church, this is what Thomas Jefferson meant.

 

[Sycophant]

Well, this has turned even weirder.

 

[USMC4Life]

We're not a republic. We're a Democracy. Yes, there is a difference. And no one is trying to ban free-speech. Let me rephrase that. No gay person really cares what some uptight & homophobic pastor has to say. Just like I don't.

No buddy, were not a democracy. Were a constitutional republic, go ahead look it up. Here let me help you, great quote by Thomas Jefferson.

[SIZE=-1] A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.[/SIZE]

Yes they are, they have been trying to bring up laws that define any group who speaks against homosexuality a hate group.

Please get educated on America, were not a democracy.

 

[mpok1519]

If anyone is psychotic it is you!

I never once said anything about labor camps like this one in your picture.

Get it right if you are going to try and slander me.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]7 Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am the Lord your God. 8 'And you shall keep My statutes, and perform them: I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 9 For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 The man who commits adultery with another man's wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death. 11 The man who lies with his father's wife has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death. They have committed perversion. Their blood shall be upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. 14 If a man marries a woman and her mother, it is wickedness. They shall be burned with fire, both he and they, that there may be no wickedness among you. 15 If a man mates with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. --Lev. 20[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]In context![/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]N.T.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing. --Rom. 13[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]The gov. has the authority to exact Capital Punishment.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Have a nice day.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLI DEO GLORIA.[/FONT]

I'm sorry but, where would you put the MILLIONS of gays before executing them?

I mean, this wouldn't be a few hangings a day -- there'd need to be a mass execution to get rid of all the 'deviants'. Mass executions. Mass graves. And homosexual conscripts to dig the graves.


Also, answer the question -- would a widowed wife be FORCED to marry her deceased husband's brother as COMMANDED in the OT?

If so, don't you think that is a bit much?

Also, another question, would a twelve year-old caught with heroin be executed as the Bible prescribes?

Answer the questions if you arent' afraid SoF.



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a million homosexuals + a million drug addicts = 2 million people that would be hanged if CSA was real.

2 million people, dead.

how is that NOT genocide?!

Just because the Bible says its okay to exterminate millions of people DOESNT make it right, even though the Bible DOES NOT PRESCRIBE THE DEATH OF ANYONE! It prescribes forgiveness as apart of justice.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

I have guns. I love guns. All citizens should have them.

Yes...especially in a world where power-hungry and mentally disturbed people are actively seeking to rise to power and exterminate those who would get in their way.

You wouldn't happen to know any such individuals, SoF?

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Justice. When people kill murderers who think they are above the law its called justice.

The problem is SoF has crossed the line from the State administering capital punishment for criminals like murderers and child-rapists, who are a clear threat to the lives of the citizens the State is charged to protect, and advocates the State liquidating entire groups of people, including those who pose no threat to others.

 

[Suomipoika]

Guns.

They're what are for civilians

I have guns. I love guns. All citizens should have them.

"Flirting" here with a possible new hitler (if given power), friend? Which do you think would be a lesser evil, genocide or a socialized medicine? Maybe you just need a big, big hug on your birthday?

 

[Suomipoika]

[sigh]

Where do these "death Christians"come from in the U.S.? I'm coming over there next fall and I just wonder if I'll run into them often there... hopefully not?

 

[mpok1519]

hopefully you wont.

 

[TheReasoner]

[sigh]

Where do these "death Christians"come from in the U.S.? I'm coming over there next fall and I just wonder if I'll run into them often there... hopefully not?

I do not think I have run into anyone like that in my trips to the US. Oh, I've met some people with crazy ideas like socialism being the same as totalitarian elitism (Where did they get that crazy idea?) Or that Jesus made water into grape juice, not wine. And not to mention that any drinking of wine is absolutely sinful at the level of raping babies or something like that.
Which means that as I have tasted alcohol (though never been drunk) and actually am what you could call a socialist I must therefore be an evil satanist warlock. *sigh*

I have never met anyone like USMC though. And certainly not anyone like Shield. Never thought I would either. It seems like that stuff should have been dead and buried when Hitler shot himself as far as the west is concerned. One would think we'd learn. And if we didn't learn at least we shouldn't see anyone who profess to be Christians embrace such utter vile evil refuse.

 

[JohnElias]

[sigh]

Where do these "death Christians"come from in the U.S.? I'm coming over there next fall and I just wonder if I'll run into them often there... hopefully not?

Nah, I highly doubt you'll run into them. They exist, and SoF is not the worst among them by any means, but it's a rare breed. The one thing I'd ask you is where are you going? Over here on the west coast, you won't see guys like this... they exist, but socially they're really stigmatized. This sort of religion has actually been a huge part of the reason why Christianity isn't especially popular on the west coast. There's a reason extremist views like this get put up online, and not in the real world.

 

[JohnElias]

Or that Jesus made water into grape juice, not wine. And not to mention that any drinking of wine is absolutely sinful at the level of raping babies or something like that.
Which means that as I have tasted alcohol (though never been drunk) and actually am what you could call a socialist I must therefore be an evil satanist warlock.

In heaven there is no beer, that's why we drink it down here? Isn't that how it goes?

 

[TheReasoner]

Conservative Christians and Muslims do not mix. Its YOU GUYS who support their cause of destruction of freedom. You HAVEN'T DONE 1 THING TO FIGHT TERRORISM. All you do is shout the pulling out of Iraq giving them hope and comfort. You condemn the soldiers for defending themselves against these terrorist and call them the victims and freedom fighters.

Hm. Well, let's look at the whole thing from a historic perspective.
From even before Muhammad the Islamic region was a fairly hostile place. Muhammad made it even worse with his genocides and wars, which later lead to the invasion and occupation of large parts of Europe. And the continued occupation of Constantinople, one might say. With me so far, right?
Then, as a response the Crusades were used as a method of both pre-emptive warfare and a reduction of the amount of criminals and such in Europe. Now, given the pre-Islamic culture of vengeance and violence which was certainly not weakened by Muhammed, you can imagine that this alone was enough to cause some anger among the Muslims, which lasts even until today. While their own occupation of Spain for about 700 years is ignored. So we can see from even pre 1900s history that Arabic Muslims respond negatively (more so than us) to violence and vengeance enacted upon them.
Now, for modern history, which is more at direct fault for the terrorism you say you fight.
We saw an approximation to the west in both Iran and Iraq in the late mid to somewhat late 1900s. Then, the US overthrew Mohammed mossadegh, elected president of Iran. They replaced him with the Shah of Iran, and helped the Shah train his SAVAK, a secret police known to be as terrible as the Gestapo. The US and Europe both sold weapons and technology to Saddam Hussein when his regime stood ready to fall, and stood idly by as Saddam performed genocide on his own citizens. Then, when Saddam started threatening our interests, we (with the US in the very very clear lead) intervened with military force - in starch contrast to promises of friendship and promises that no intervention would be made to Saddam.
On top of this we have a strong pressure from the west on the Islamic world to abandon what we see as barbaric practices, to end the tyrrannical regimes they have.
When the US invaded Iraq after 9-11 the first things they did was to secure oil, mercury and other valuable resources. They then let their own corporations take control over these resources which were Arabic to start with, meaning the nation they perceive as the enemy (the USA) is getting resources and money which is theirs. It is rightly seen as theft. Not as liberation. And given their history and culture you better believe they won't roll over and take it. They'll recruit more and more sympathizers for their cause. More and more people with desires for violent responses will come forward, and what you do to fight terrorism will ultimately be one of the largest factors in the recruitment basis for the terrorist organizations.

Now, keep in mind that I am not saying that Islam and Muslims are blameless. What I AM saying is that while I find your attempt at doing something good admirable, what you're doing by using violence to try to fight terrorism is folly. It will only strengthen the foe.

You disgust me with your absolute slander. I would be beheaded in a heartbeat in Iran. MUHAMMAD(PBUH[the p isn't for peace, figure it out yourself]) IS NOT MY PROPHET AND ALLAH IS NOT MY GOD!

Yeah, you would. So would I. And I would also be killed in a heartbeat in the C.S.A. Because I am a socialist. And a man who will not allow dictators to oppress the population without doing something to stop him.

You're forgetting, FG -- in the C.S.A., SoF would have them both killed anyway.

*sigh* Yes. I know. The C.S.A. is the most anti-Christian nation I have even heard of.

This is what I was talking about to my complaint about the moderators in this forum. This is a obvious flame, yet you will not be scolded by this.

AND HOW DARE YOU COMPARE ME TO THAT NAZI MUSLIM!

Well, if you support the C.S.A. you're probably going to be compared with Hitler as well. Or at least Göring or Himmler or someone else from Hitler's closest circle of madmen.
And the comparison would be right. The differences between the CSA and the third reich are minute at best.
So I don't think the comparison to Ahmadinejad is all that bad. It's actually a lot milder than the comparison with the heads of the third reich. Which is not far off, if you're a supporter of the C.S.A.
And - there's a lot of data which has already been included into this thread saying why this is so. It's not a flame to compare someone who plans to do exactly what Hitler did with Hitler. It's a valid comparison with valid historical data.
So, the question is - do you support the C.S.A. - or did we misunderstand you?

Yes they are, they have been trying to bring up laws that define any group who speaks against homosexuality a hate group.

Well, when someone talks about exterminating homosexuals I would say that qualifies as a hate statement if anything does. Now I agree that homosexuality is wrong, but it is a thousand times worse than homosexuality to seek genocide!!!

Please get educated on America, were not a democracy.

So why do your leaders talk about 'spreading democracy'?

 

[TheReasoner]

In heaven there is no beer, that's why we drink it down here? Isn't that how it goes?

nah, you're thinking the opposite of what Muslims think. According to Islam it's a sin to drink alcohol on earth, but in heaven there's loads of it.

 

[Suomipoika]

Nah, I highly doubt you'll run into them. They exist, and SoF is not the worst among them by any means, but it's a rare breed. The one thing I'd ask you is where are you going? Over here on the west coast, you won't see guys like this... they exist, but socially they're really stigmatized. This sort of religion has actually been a huge part of the reason why Christianity isn't especially popular on the west coast. There's a reason extremist views like this get put up online, and not in the real world.

Not sure yet where I'll be headed, more likely to somewhere around IN-IL-WI, but I might end up somewhere else, though. I should know sometime in April.

Anyway, ShieldOFaith is from the West coast, from near San Francisco. So it must be only natural that he's spending so much time on the internet?

The U.S. is a really wonderful place to come, I'm sure, and I'm certain I'll enjoy my stay there gretly. I have to admit, though, that these "death Christians" and their clearly wider presence in the U.S. (as far as my observation has been correct) compared to other places is probably one of the reasons to why I've dedicaded so much time to observing and studying the Christian history and phenomena in the U.S. I mean, there's a strong history of Evangelical Christianity in the States, but evangelicalism does not mean focusing on death and punishment that some of these people seem to be so obsessed with.

 

[TheReasoner]

Nah, I highly doubt you'll run into them. They exist, and SoF is not the worst among them by any means, but it's a rare breed. The one thing I'd ask you is where are you going? Over here on the west coast, you won't see guys like this... they exist, but socially they're really stigmatized. This sort of religion has actually been a huge part of the reason why Christianity isn't especially popular on the west coast. There's a reason extremist views like this get put up online, and not in the real world.

wait.... There are WORSE?
You're kidding, right?
I have never seen worse than this. Seriously, I haven't. Except in history books, and even then not by a lot.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Do you not read anything you reply to or do you just type with out thinking, I believe it is the latter. I do not support killing them,

You personally said you want them shipped to a country where they would be killed, and in this thread, you've thrown in with an OP who has form a hypothetical nation for the sole purpose of killing them.

Pull the other one, now.

I think they should keep out of politics because their influence is too high,

Are you suggesting that only people of little to no influence should be involved in politics?

the minorities opinion has been injected into our government and the rights of the majority are being trampled.

Perhaps their opinion isn't such a minority after all.