Covid - Two Paths

[VirOptimus]

I agree. Save the world, wipe out mankind.

All for papa Nurgle.

 

[Nithavela]

All for papa Nurgle.

It is time for the slate to be wiped clean and to start afresh. I think the rats deserve their chance.

 

[Tanj]

Ah so you're back after failing to prove the 'virus' has been proven to exist let alone the PCR tests are reliable? Welcome in.

Well, you ran away when I pointed out that one of my linked papers had controls and proved Koch's postulates, so here I am.

Transient Covid immunity. But a vaccine would cover the field, right?

Probably not.

 

[FireDragon76]

Don't know what that means. Normal healthy ppl are ok, old sick ppl are at risk. No different to the flu. If you're scared, stay home; if I'm prepared to take the risk, I'll go out. Simple.

COVID-19 is alot different from the common flu and its dishonest to equivocate between the two. COVID-19 attacks multiple organs in the human body, including the blood.

 

[KCfromNC]

The ongoing and permanent damage to society, the economy, livelihoods, the mental and physical health and wellbeing of ordinary people under severe countermeasures is incalculable.

This reads like an admission that there's no actual research backing up this irresponsible plan.

 

[KCfromNC]

One in 10,000 is in relation to normal healthy individuals under the age of say 60 in Australia

Seems like mixed messages here. This number is based on the fact the disease has not been allowed to run rampant through your population. And you're using the fact that current measures have controlled the disease - leading to this low number - as an excuse to stop those measures.

That makes zero sense. If you want everyone to get the disease, at least be up front and own the number of deaths it will cause at the actual 1+% morality rate.

 

[KCfromNC]

But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! Do not worry then, saying, 'What will we eat?' or 'What will we drink?' or 'What will we wear for clothing?' For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. (Matt 6:30-33)

So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him, "Shall seven years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days' pestilence in your land? Now consider and see what answer I shall return to Him who sent me." Then David said to Gad, "I am in great distress. Let us now fall into the hand of the LORD for His mercies are great, but do not let me fall into the hand of man." (2 Sam 24:13-14)

Do you look before crossing a busy street?

 

[KCfromNC]

So, basically, you don't think any of the reported infections are reliable information?

I'll note that the OP based part of his argument on the measured death rate. Now the argument has changed to claiming the death rates are totally unknowable.

It sure reads like there's a predetermined conclusion, and whatever facts necessary will be manufactured to get to that point.

 

[essentialsaltes]

So again, for otherwise healthy ppl below the age of 60 the chances are about that of the flu.

So what's your message to the people over 60? 'You've had a pretty good run.'

 

[Tanj]

Of course there will be a margin of error. But are you really telling me you don't accept the evidence that we have had "leakage" from tightly controlled environments like the quarantine hotels and nursing homes?

Pro tip: The person you are having a discussion with doesn't believe viruses exist.

 

[Paidiske]

Oh, well then...

 

[FireDragon76]

With the average age of 80 and on extremely generous analysis, seeing as all those ppl have co-morbidities, the PCR test is by the authorites' own admission at best 50% accurate, and in Victoria the gov policy is for doctors not to advise of false positives.

So again, for otherwise healthy ppl below the age of 60 the chances are about that of the flu.

That simply isn't true.

Here’s Why COVID-19 Is Much Worse Than the Flu

COVID-19 has tragically cut short the lives of thousands of Americans below the age of 50.

 

[Strathos]

Pro tip: The person you are having a discussion with doesn't believe viruses exist.

Not surprising coming from a flat earther.

Sometimes I think people like that should just go live in a cave somewhere and stop engaging with modern society, as they clearly have no regard for it whatsoever.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Pro tip: The person you are having a discussion with doesn't believe viruses exist.

It's a pleasure to find you're consistent...in misrepresenting anything that moves.

I don't believe pathogenic viruses have been proven to exist. There are poisons etc that enter the body, then there are viral proteins released from the dying cells to fight those poisons. You believe those protein solvents are killer viruses, but we say the firefighters are not the firestarters. Just keep using vero cell culture and antibiotics in your 'isolation' process (to produce cell death and RNA exosome induction, as per the papers I showed you) and pretend nobody will notice. A paltry sleight-of-hand, I've seen better magic tricks from teenagers.

But as for me and my household, we'll serve the Lord.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

That simply isn't true.

Here’s Why COVID-19 Is Much Worse Than the Flu

COVID-19 has tragically cut short the lives of thousands of Americans below the age of 50.

Sorry, but that assumes the data's correct. It's not, largely because there's no gold standard for Covid testing.

What's happening is that the new player Mr Covid is trying to take market share of the 65M annual deaths from the incumbents, mainly Mr Influenza, Mr Pnuemonia, Mr Respiratory Illnesses, even Mr Road Accidents, and lets not forget Mr Iatrogenic Causes. He's poaching from existing businesses, but he's not really expanding the pie.

 

[FireDragon76]

Sorry, but that assumes the data's correct. It's not, largely because there's no gold standard for Covid testing.

The data is the best scientific data we have, and I see no reason to discount it just because it's incovenient.

hat's happening is that the new player Mr Covid is trying to take market share of the 65M annual deaths from the incumbents, mainly Mr Influenza, Mr Pnuemonia, Mr Respiratory Illnesses, even Mr Road Accidents, and lets not forget Mr Iatrogenic Causes. He's poaching from existing businesses, but he's not really expanding the pie.

Dismissive remarks about the gravity of the Coronavirus do nothing but reinforce my belief that many Christians are actually in a death cult.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

The data is the best scientific data we have, and I see no reason to discount it just because it's incovenient.

'Best we have' is meaningless if it's not reliable. Th PCR test is not conclusive of nCov, not specific for nCov, not designed to be binary (pos/ neg), not designed as a clinical diagnostic tool, not capable of showing viral load, and not easy to keep from contamination.

A piece of fruit, engine oil and a goat have tested positive. A dead motorcyclist has tested positive. In the US, some labs are reporting 100% of tests as positive.

Dismissive remarks about the gravity of the Coronavirus do nothing but reinforce my belief that many Christians are actually in a death cult.

What's with the provocative and pointless reply? I'm using a commercial analogy to show you what's happening. No significant extra deaths (apart from those murdered in hospital by the 'treatment' and the panic), just re-labelled deaths attributable to other causes.

 

[Tanj]

'Th PCR test is not conclusive of nCov

Yes it is.

not specific for nCov

Yes it is.

not designed to be binary (pos/ neg)

Yes it is.

not designed as a clinical diagnostic tool

Yes it is.

not capable of showing viral load

Doesn't need to.

and not easy to keep from contamination.

Yes it is.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Yes it is.

Because slientists are infallible, right?

Positive results are indicative of active infection with 2019-nCoV but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease.

Source: CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel Instructions for Use, Rev.5, 13/7/20, p.2 (my highlights)

So take it up with the CDC.

You've clearly got a dog in the fight but your judgment is sorely clouded.

 

[loveofourlord]

If you could help save the world and future generations, but had to take a 1 in 10,000, 5,000 or 1,000 risk of dying in the process, would you take that chance?

In Australia, the current chances of a normal healthy individual who gets diagnosed with Covid-19 dying from it are less than 1 in 10,000. The average age of Covid deaths is around 80. Average life expectancy is around 82 years of age.

The ongoing and permanent damage to society, the economy, livelihoods, the mental and physical health and wellbeing of ordinary people under severe countermeasures is incalculable.

The risks of health impacts for poorly tested vaccines, their efficacy and the delays in preparing them create additional uncertainty.

If nature were to run its course, and everyone caught Covid-19, the body would produce a natural immunity to what is essentially another cold and flu strain.

So why not take the chance, have faith in God, let nature run its course, return to normal life and be honoured by your children for your contribution to saving the world and beating the bug?

One huge glaring flaw in your data:

i'm surprised no one pointed this out, the average life expectancy is 82, BUT for those who are 80 the average life expectancy is 88-90.