Covid-19 patients at this hospital are dying 'at a rate we've never seen die before'

[jayem]

Sparrow Hospital, Lansing, MI.:

"Since January, we've had about 289 deaths; 75% are unvaccinated people," Dover said. "And the very few (vaccinated people) who passed away all were more than 6 months out from their shot. So we've not had a single person who has had a booster shot die from Covid."

The article focuses on the stress this puts on health care workers. Most of the infections are due to Delta. Many younger people are also getting sick and needing hospitalization. It’s so sad. Michigan is not one of the states with high vaccination rates. And this is the consequence of fear and ignorance.

Covid-19 patients at this hospital are dying 'at a rate we've never seen die before' -- and it's taking a toll on health care workers - CNN

 

[Brihaha]

Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
People will continue to take health workers for granted. Even after they all quit due to burnout. Public health means little to some folks. Scientific research means even less. Truly discouraging to see what America has become. While everyone in America is tired of the pandemic, only some are willing to keep doing their part to eliminate it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sparrow Hospital, Lansing, MI.:

"Since January, we've had about 289 deaths; 75% are unvaccinated people," Dover said. "And the very few (vaccinated people) who passed away all were more than 6 months out from their shot. So we've not had a single person who has had a booster shot die from Covid."

The article focuses on the stress this puts on health care workers. Most of the infections are due to Delta. Many younger people are also getting sick and needing hospitalization. It’s so sad. Michigan is not one of the states with high vaccination rates. And this is the consequence of fear and ignorance.

Covid-19 patients at this hospital are dying 'at a rate we've never seen die before' -- and it's taking a toll on health care workers - CNN

Less than 20% of the eligible population has had a booster shot. So it’s not surprising that with such a low percentage of the population having it they wouldn’t have any of those people die yet. With hospitals being caught inflating the numbers of people hospitalized for COVID it’s hard to tell whether they’re crying wolf or not.

Novant Health issues statement on leaked internal discussion of COVID-19 patient numbers

 

[98cwitr]

25% of the deaths were from those who were fully vaccinated. Interesting...and sad.

 

[Pommer]

25% of the deaths were from those who were fully vaccinated. Interesting...and sad.

Who account for the other three quarters?

 

[trunks2k]

Who account for the other three quarters?

And the demographics that tend to be the ones dying from covid have higher vaccination rates than the rest of the population. So the effectiveness of vaccination is even better than it looks on the surface.

 

[mama2one]

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[keith99]

Less than 20% of the eligible population has had a booster shot. So it’s not surprising that with such a low percentage of the population having it they wouldn’t have any of those people die yet. With hospitals being caught inflating the numbers of people hospitalized for COVID it’s hard to tell whether they’re crying wolf or not.

Novant Health issues statement on leaked internal discussion of COVID-19 patient numbers

With the majority of those who have had a booster being in an at risk group. Yet in this sample NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON who has died was someone who received a booster shot!

With 289 people dead one would expect at least a handful to be someone who had a booster shot even if people who had one were randomly distributed unless it was extremely effective. If it only made one 10 times less apt to die and only 10% of the population was vaccinated the expectation would be three people dead who had received a booster shot.

So yes it is not surprising for a very effective vaccination. For something only fairly effective however is is a shockingly low number.

Think of this as 289 cases of evolution in action.

 

[rambot]

Less than 20% of the eligible population has had a booster shot. So it’s not surprising that with such a low percentage of the population having it they wouldn’t have any of those people die yet. With hospitals being caught inflating the numbers of people hospitalized for COVID it’s hard to tell whether they’re crying wolf or not.

Novant Health issues statement on leaked internal discussion of COVID-19 patient numbers

1) So she's suggesting that people who are suffering from the effects of long COVID should be included, even if they're COVID negative.

2) You mention "hospitalS". Do you have some more examples? I mean, there are 10s of thousands of hospitals across the US. Having one example and suggesting they may be "crying wolf" seems a bit... unreasonable.

3) It's kind of a huge nothing burger in regards to the data presented in the OP.

 

[jayem]

25% of the deaths were from those who were fully vaccinated. Interesting...and sad.

As was noted, recent evidence indicates that fully vaccinated now means a booster dose 6 months or so after primary vaccination. So none of the deceased patients were fully vaccinated by current standards.

 

[rambot]

25% of the deaths were from those who were fully vaccinated. Interesting...and sad.

What's interesting about it? There are plenty of people with comorbidities or immunocompromised people who got vaccinated who are still SIGNIFICANTLY at risk.

Out of curiousity, are you not sad about the 75% unvaccinated deaths? Or are they not ineresting?

 

[cow451]

25% of the deaths were from those who were fully vaccinated. Interesting...and sad.

100-25=75. Do da math

 

[98cwitr]

What's interesting about it? There are plenty of people with comorbidities or immunocompromised people who got vaccinated who are still SIGNIFICANTLY at risk.

Out of curiousity, are you not sad about the 75% unvaccinated deaths? Or are they not ineresting?

Just interesting because Pfizer's trials came out with at 91% effectiveness at prevention, and then we see breakthroughs between 25-33%, which is inline with this same death rate among the vaccinated. Considering 94% of those that died with covid had comorbidities WITHOUT the vaccine, I wonder if the 25% vaccinated also held to that same statistic. Would be interesting to see.

 

[98cwitr]

As was noted, recent evidence indicates that fully vaccinated now means a booster dose 6 months or so after primary vaccination. So none of the deceased patients were fully vaccinated by current standards.

If that goal post keeps moving they're gonna run out of field.

 

[FireDragon76]

I'm guessing that the vast majority of the vaccinated that died had significant comorbidities, like obesity, diabetes, and high blood pressure.

For instance, having a BMI of 30 or greater (being obese) means that you'll haves much lower levels of antibodies after vaccination.

 

[smittymatt]

Sparrow Hospital, Lansing, MI.:

"Since January, we've had about 289 deaths; 75% are unvaccinated people," Dover said. "And the very few (vaccinated people) who passed away all were more than 6 months out from their shot. So we've not had a single person who has had a booster shot die from Covid."

The article focuses on the stress this puts on health care workers. Most of the infections are due to Delta. Many younger people are also getting sick and needing hospitalization. It’s so sad. Michigan is not one of the states with high vaccination rates. And this is the consequence of fear and ignorance.

Covid-19 patients at this hospital are dying 'at a rate we've never seen die before' -- and it's taking a toll on health care workers - CNN

Since the vaccine does absolutely nothing to reduce the spread of Covid, people that are vaccinated need to mind their own business and stop blaming the "unvaxed". There is evidence to suggest that the vaccine is causing the mutations of the virus to occur much faster than it would have otherwise. If the government hadn't mandated vaccines, I probably would have had mine by now.

And it's REALLY tough to trust anything you read on CNN anymore.

 

[rambot]

Just interesting because Pfizer's trials came out with at 91% effectiveness at prevention, and then we see breakthroughs between 25-33%, which is inline with this same death rate among the vaccinated.

you'll have to excuse me if I ask for a source for this data and not take it straight odd the cuff
And, am I misunderstanding your claim that the death rate among vaccinated people is 29-33%? Because I think you are referring to a proportion and it's definitely NOT the same thing


Considering 94% of those that died with covid had comorbidities WITHOUT the vaccine, I wonder if the 25% vaccinated also held to that same statistic. Would be interesting to see.[/QUOTE]

 

[jayem]

If that goal post keeps moving they're gonna run out of field.

I suspect medical science will be playing catch-up with SARS-CoV-2 for some time. A high mutation rate seems to be part of this virus’s biology. New vaccines may be needed every year. But do you have an alternative? Waiting to get sick, and hoping to recover with natural immunity is hardly an option. How much more stress can our health care providers bear? Not to mention lost productivity, the cost to our economy, and what we will pay for health insurance. And anyway, a recent NIH study found that immunity after naturally acquired Covid-19 is not robust against genetic variants,

NIH study finds naturally acquired immunity is weak against SARS-CoV-2 variants

Kind like seasonal flu, a vaccine with a different spectrum of activity may be needed on a regular basis. Though that’s not all bad. Buy some vaccine stock. Pfizer and Moderna are up for the year already. But Covid vaccines could be a huge growth industry .

 

[prodromos]

And anyway, a recent NIH study found that immunity after naturally acquired Covid-19 is not robust against genetic variants,

NIH study finds naturally acquired immunity is weak against SARS-CoV-2 variants

The study ignores T-cell immunity and the fact that your immune system will rapidly ramp up antibodies with a new infection. Earlier studies found that people who had recovered from SARS virus a decade ago were immune to Covid-19. I suspect that the linked study is not likely to pass peer review for the above reasons.

 

[jayem]

Since the vaccine does absolutely nothing to reduce the spread of Covid, people that are vaccinated need to mind their own business and stop blaming the "unvaxed".

AFAIK, that was not the main goal of vaccination. The primary purpose was to protect you, the vaccine recipient, from illness severe enough to need hospitalization, intensive care, or to cause your death. The mRNA vaccines provide such protection with at least 70-80% efficacy. And their effectiveness is enhanced with a booster shot.

There is evidence to suggest that the vaccine is causing the mutations of the virus to occur much faster than it would have otherwise.

I know that was speculated at one time. But can you provide a link to confirm that assertion? Preferably from a peer-reviewed medical journal. Or at least a medical news site that quotes, and links, to a similar authoritative source.